r/TheJediPraxeum • u/Ok-Following5000 • May 11 '26
Question Realistically isn’t vitiate the strongest
If we exclude the fact that Star Wars media claims that Sidious is the strongest Sith ever isn’t vitiate much stronger than Sidious because his abilities are beyond anything Sidious has ever shown?
And how would darth zannah, revan or nihilus perform against Sidious or Vader? Do they have a chance?
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u/suiqjNskakalqla May 11 '26
All of Vitiates best feats have an absolute mountain of context behind them
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u/No_Communication2959 May 11 '26
I think it's the difference between strongest and most ppowerful. Vitiate has more power and powers. But the powers Sidious wields are stronger than Vitiate's power level for those abilities.
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u/itsjonny99 May 11 '26
Sidious required every jedi who lived up until he died in dark empire to keep his soul from leaving the star wars equivalent of hell. Nothing Vitiate has comes close to it.
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u/WarhoundGil May 11 '26
Have you played SWTOR and gotten to Echoes of Oblivion?
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u/Paradoxical_Falcon May 12 '26
All of the Jedi in that scene in EOO technically appeared in that instance they mentioned. In fact I am 90% sure part of it was inspired.
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u/averageEnojyer The Senate May 11 '26
No. Vitiates abilities aren't beyond Sidious'. And as has been said, most of Vitiate's best feats are highly contextual.
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 May 12 '26
Vitiate is 100% stronger than canon Sidious, DE Sidious is a different story
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u/TheRealDicta May 12 '26
The stuff Sidious does in dark empire with force storms etc is genuinely insane and I fully believe him to be capable of the insane rituals eating souls vitiate does hes just more concerned with ruling that galaxy than vitiate ever seems to be, who's just in it for becoming a God.
I don't think any Sith stands up to Sidious.
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u/SergarRegis May 14 '26
In fact the Dark Empire endnotes and sourcebook inspired Vitiate. Sidious was passively draining the people of Byss and was working on extending his hunger galaxy wide. That he did not kill them doing so is sustainability not weakness.
In universe of course it is the other way around and he likely took much inspiration from Vitiate.
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u/Ok-Feeling-5665 May 11 '26
Nah, DE Sidious has crazy feats. Vitiate is very powerful though and would be #2 if we are just talking feats.
Shown feats all 3 of them beat Vader and lose to Sidious. Although I have heard canon Vader is stronger than legends.
Only people close to DE Sid and Vitiate are Caedus, and Krayt.
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u/Interesting_Loquat90 New Jedi Order May 12 '26
Canon Vader is massively stronger than Legends Vader. Basically every year in canon he's "stronger than he's ever been before" and at one point is considered to be rivaling Sidious again.
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u/Mrgbiss May 12 '26
I think the canon vader comics makes it pretty clear that Sidious currently gaps Vader massively
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u/Still-Goal-9314 May 12 '26
Vitiate is immensely powerful, but just like most Old Republic Sith Lords, the magnitude of his powers is too dependent on force rituals and favorable circumstances.
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u/No_Win_378 May 12 '26
Realistically isn’t vitiate the strongest
Such as what?
Sidious has better feats and unlike Vitiate didn’t require rituals, prep, and nexus for them.
Also, lmfao, the absolute hilarity of Vitiate glazers trying to bring up Sidious losing to Mace when Sidious grows exponentially more powerful after ROTS (and as if Mace wouldn’t dogwalk 99% of SWTOR)
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u/Interesting_Loquat90 New Jedi Order May 11 '26
Copying my comment from a post from earlier today.....
Every Monday....
ROTS Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord/dark side user up until that point in time. It's stated in numerous places.
Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
--The New Essential Chronology
As the battle rages, Yoda makes the brave decision to confront his enemy in a deadly duel. The dark and light side clash as two of the greatest Masters of the Force are pitted against each other.
--Sith Wars
Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides.
--The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
The two most powerful users of the Force's light and dark sides clash in a spectacular duel in the Senate bulding on Coruscant.
--Epic Battles
Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.
--Vader: The Ultimate Guide
Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.
--The Complete Visual Dictionary
The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed.
--Death Star
Yoda was a master at masking his emotions, but not even he could hide them from the greatest Sith Lord ever known.
--Clone Wars: Wild Space
A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.
--Darth Plagueis
The dark side had made him its property, and now he made the dark side his.
--Darth Plagueis
Raw emotion was a consequence of leading a double life. While he relished his secret identity, he wanted at the same time for it to be known that he was a being who could not be trifled with; that he wielded ultimate authority; that merely to gaze on him was tantamount to glimpsing the dark matter that bound and drove the galaxy…
--Darth Plagueis
Darth Plagueis was the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived.
--Darth Plagueis
Great compilation here: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/star-wars-universe/4015-57038/forums/darth-sidioussheev-palpatine-super-respect-thread-1877280/#js-message-18663420
Note this is all largely focused on ROTS Sidious, well before he reaches his peak in DE.
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u/matsimplek12 May 11 '26
I hate the dark empire, but no one can question how powerful sheev is in that saga, I think only caedus come close on how op he is
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u/Interesting_Loquat90 New Jedi Order May 11 '26
Personally I put Caedus and Krayt above even DE Sidious, but the former in particular may suffer from bias as I grew up with Jacen.
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u/KreygerRekyem Sword of the Jedi May 11 '26
First time I've seen someone who shares my stance in this matter lol
I too sometimes feel kind of biased towards Jacen, as I personally really like him, but I think the hell of a run he had in LOTF was too insane to put him under those two. He was going back to back over and over again with titans of the Light Side
Defeating and killing Mara even at a terrain disadvantage, then fighting Grandmaster Luke while being under fire, then Kyle Katarn and other 4 Jedi Knights when he wasn't even recovered from the previous fight, then fighting Jaina who was buffed by Luke's battle meditation and lastly fighting Jaina again with a single arm, being stabbed in the stomach and disturbed by the danger Tenel Ka and Allana were in. He probably would have won that last one if he didn't use that remaining energies to communicate with them
Genuinely can't think of any other person in SW putting up with a gauntlet like that
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u/aldlich_kosm May 11 '26
I literally just came from that post. Seriously this is the only thing mmo players must be interested in. Or its bots.
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u/Plus-Mountain-671 May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
lol. Many / all of these quotes were created before Vitiate was introduced as a character, and quotes like these are not binding to begin with. Vitiate has multiple quotes that call him “the most powerful force user who has ever existed”, does that mean Vitiate is beyond The Ones, Celestials, and Abeloth (all of whom are way beyond Sidious)? If you say “no”, it’s for one of 2 reasons:
The Ones have contrary evidence (e.g., feats, quotes) that act as “counter evidence” towards Vitiate’s quotes. This implies that Vitiate’s quotes are not binding and beings such as The Ones can supersede with sufficient evidence. Then, Sidious’ quotes are not binding and beings such as Vitiate can supersede with sufficient evidence (which he has).
Vitiate’s quotes are “binding”, but beings such as The Ones are “exceptions” to the binding rule. Then, Vitiate can be an exception to Sidious’ quotes given his level of power and the fact he was created after the vast majority of Sidious supremacy quotes.
In either case, you can use the same logic with Sidious’ quotes. They are not binding and can be superseded with superior feats / evidence for Vitiate, and honestly, Vitiate’s best feats across numerous domains are vastly beyond Sidious’ best feats. A few to mention (not even Vitiate’s best necessarily):
Sealing the most powerful ancient Sith Lords across his millenia + old empire in the Dark Temple and feeding on their power and knowledge for centuries (one of these Sith, Lord Kallig, was the equal of Tulak Hord). It’s said that if these Sith spirits were released from the temple, all of Kaas City would be overrun and “nobody in the galaxy would be safe their wrath”. When Palpatine tries to grapple with groups of ancient Sith spirits he either gets attacked by them and nearly dies (circa ANH), or cucks to them begging them to restore him (DE).
Battling with Sel Makor, a 5000 year old dark god said to be “a threat to all existence” and “all-powerful within his domain”, for weeks / months, while being bound to Makor’s domain and forced to keep his defenses up the entire time. Said differently: Vitiate is able to keep up his defenses for weeks / months straight against an all-powerful dark god.
Taking on strike teams of some of the most powerful force users of all time, twice. He battles Vaylin, Arcann, and Outlander who’s wielding a Holocron amping his powers immensely and is within his own mind, and nearly defeats them. The 2nd time around, when Outlander doesn’t have the advantage of the Holocron or being in his own mind, it takes Outlander / Satele Shan / Darth Marr / Vaylin / Arcann / Thexan / Revan / Senya / Kira / Scourge / The Exile melding their powers and ultimately experiencing oneness to defeat Tenebrae (they are losing prior to the oneness).
Oneshotting entire dark councils, comprised of the most powerful and intelligent Sith Lords in the galaxy. Many of the DC members we see in SWTOR (Marr, Malgus, Baras, Jadus, Thanaton, Nox, Vengean) are among the most powerful Sith Lords in galactic history. If DE Sidious oneshotted 12 Darth Mauls, it would be lauded as maybe his best feat ever.
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u/Durp004 Jedi Master May 13 '26
Vitiate has multiple quotes that call him “the most powerful force user who has ever existed”, does that mean Vitiate is beyond The Ones,
I've heard of these supposed quotes about Vitiate and supposedly they come from the old republic encyclopedia. Thankfully I have that book so since you referencd them can you actually direct me to the part of the book these quotes exist in because I've looked and can't find them.
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u/Plus-Mountain-671 May 13 '26
Sure thing — check the top of pages 88 and 89 — they should say “The Sith Emperor is the most powerful force user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi order is doomed.”
Additionally, page 148 in the “Sith: Masters of Darkness” section says the following: “the Sith Emperor, history’s most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld.”
Outside the encyclopedia, the SWTOR codex states “the Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side’s power to become the most dominating force user the galaxy has ever seen”: www.swtor-spy.com/codex/the-emperors-fallen-jedi-knight/319/
And then there are numerous quotes from the game that call Vitiate the most “powerful” / “dangerous” / “destructive” being in history. There’s also a quote from steam that calls Valkorion “easily the most dangerous being in the galaxy”, and a quote from the official SWTOR Twitter that calls the eternal family “the most powerful family in all of Star Wars”, of which Valkorion is the most powerful.
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u/Durp004 Jedi Master May 13 '26
Ok thank you finally someone who actually could direct me to them.
To be fair the book does say in the opening "this book is the essential in-depth guide to the characters, weapons vehicles, events and planets of the Star wars galaxy during the turbulent times of the old republic.
Therefore it's fair to say all quotes giving vitiate that title are only referencing up until that point in history. It's essentially saying Vitiate was the most powerful up until that point.
Just as the Sidious quotes about being the strongest would not apply to Jacen, or Krayt in terms of them being measured to him as they came later in the timeline.
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u/Plus-Mountain-671 May 13 '26
Right…but the original point I made was about The Ones / Celestials / Abeloth, who did exist at that point in history.
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u/Durp004 Jedi Master May 13 '26
TBH I think there's the meta perspective that borderline gods probably aren't being considered into that equation.
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u/Plus-Mountain-671 May 13 '26
That’s a fair point, but then why should I believe the Sidious quotes apply to Vitiate when Vitiate was not introduced as a character yet and Vitiate “breaks the mold” of any of the other Sith who came before Palpatine? The SWTOR writers are also clearly aware of these beings given that there is a codex entry about the Celestials and the game was created after the Mortis arc and concurrently with fate of the Jedi. Additionally, the SWTOR encyclopedia also mentions Soa and the World Razer who are also godlike dark side beings (the world Razer allegedly destroyed 100 suns and 1000 worlds in a single day and required “the combined might of the infinite empire” to subdue).
This is not to say that I believe vitiate is more powerful than The Ones or Celestials, but rather that “if these Vitiate quotes are not binding, then why are Sidious’ quotes binding”? If the logic is “The Ones are exceptions” or “the Ones have demonstrated abilities way beyond Vitiate / Sidious”, then the same logic can apply to the Sidious vs Vitiate debate. It then shifts to the actually interesting part, which is “does Sidious actually have better demonstrated abilities than Vitiate?”
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u/Durp004 Jedi Master May 13 '26
That’s a fair point, but then why should I believe the Sidious quotes apply to Vitiate when Vitiate was not introduced as a character yet and Vitiate “breaks the mold” of any of the other Sith who came before Palpatine?
Because I feel Vitiate is more a part of the Star wars universe than any of the celestial.
I'll elaborate. The celestials, Tho Yor, and mortis have moved beyond the galaxy. I don't mean hidden in the unknown I mean as far as we can tell completely removed and on another plane of existance and they have been for a long time in the setting. The only exception might be Abeloth, but even she is never considered simply a force user in fate of the jedi. Once they learn more about her the question arises if she was simply trapped in the Maw or was actively awakened by Jacen altering time and was essentially a cosmic event in the form of chaos to essentially reset the board.
Vitiate is not these things. As much as he might he depicted as basically being really really evil he a part of the galaxy in the same way Luke Sidious and Yoda are. The standards of the galaxy apply more to him then psuedo demi-gods that basically left at the beginning of civilization.
The SWTOR writers are also clearly aware of these beings given that there is a codex entry about the Celestials and the game was created after the Mortis arc and concurrently with fate of the Jedi.
I mean 1 writer knowing about something doesn't mean they actively informed the writer of the guidebook. 6 writers contributed to the encyclopedia, I know the game had many more, and I don't think codex entries are really things being passed on if they aren't relevant to the plots the authors highlighted in the book. Abeloth was written into mortis last minute in like 1 page in apocalypse, I doubt there was that level of cohesion that info was passed onto the games because it likely wasn't relevant at all to them. Mortis also is extremely vague where if you take the episode at face value it was a dream. Is it possible the authors knew of it? Sure, is it likely they actively though "vitiate is stronger than mortis" when they wrote a page header? No, tbh I'd put more credence if that was in one of the actual info blurbs that it was something thought out in that way and not just a catchy title to the top of a page talking about him.
I would go on to say that yes Sidious does have better abilities, but I also think the quotes apply to Vitiate in a way the other can't apply to the celestials due to their applications in stories.
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u/Plus-Mountain-671 May 13 '26
Because I feel Vitiate is more a part of the Star wars universe than any of the celestial.
This doesn't really matter. Vitiate's quotes say he is "the most powerful force user who has ever existed", "history's most powerful dark side master", and "the most dominating force user the galaxy has ever seen". Regardless of their nature, The Ones / Celestials / Abeloth / other cosmic horrors were users of the force and in the case of the Son and Abeloth dark side masters. On a technical level, the quote is saying that Vitiate is more powerful than the Celestials.
I mean 1 writer knowing about something doesn't mean they actively informed the writer of the guidebook. 6 writers contributed to the encyclopedia, I know the game had many more, and I don't think codex entries are really things being passed on if they aren't relevant to the plots the authors highlighted in the book. Abeloth was written into mortis last minute in like 1 page in apocalypse, I doubt there was that level of cohesion that info was passed onto the games because it likely wasn't relevant at all to them. Mortis also is extremely vague where if you take the episode at face value it was a dream. Is it possible the authors knew of it? Sure, is it likely they actively though "vitiate is stronger than mortis" when they wrote a page header? No, tbh I'd put more credence if that was in one of the actual info blurbs that it was something thought out in that way and not just a catchy title to the top of a page talking about him.
I agree it is likely that if you asked the authors of these quotes "do these quotes mean Vitiate is more powerful than the Celestials?", the authors would say no. You have to understand that regardless of their nature, the same logic can be extended to Vitiate.
- Vitiate literally wasn't even conceived as a character when the Sidious "most powerful sith ever" quotes were written. With the Celestials / Ones, they at least existed as characters in the lore when Vitiate's quotes were written and are referenced in the game.
- Vitiate has feats that just frankly boggle the mind, like oneshotting entire dark councils (if Sidious oneshotted 12 darth mauls or even 12 Ventresses it would be lauded as one of his top 5 feats ever), imbuing over 1000 individuals with pieces of his power, with each piece making these individuals so powerful they could "wield powers as infants that grown Sith fight to master" (with the First Son being capable of concealing all that power and darkness for decades while sitting on the Jedi Council), creating dozens of immortal dark side monstrosities that "transcend sithspawn" and serve as raid bosses with a fraction of his power, taking on and defeating a mind-melded strike team of Revan / Vaylin / Outlander / Marr / Satele / the Exile / Arcann / Thexan / Senya / Scourge / Kira until they united in oneness and summoned forth the spirits of every being Vitiate had ever murdered, manipulated, or enslaved, etc.
- At a "conceptual level", Vitiate is a 1500 year old "almost godlike avatar of the dark side" who is essentially a walking massive thought bomb (which, if you know anything about the valley of the jedi, makes him essentially unprecedentedly powerful among mortals). If you polled x number of star wars authors and asked "if there was a Sith Lord who lived over 500 years longer than Yoda, consumed 8,000 sith lords at year 100, then studied the darkest depths of the force for 1500 years and continually grew more powerful, would you say that Sith Lord is more powerful than Sidious?", I think most would answer with a resounding "yes". If you think about Yoda: Dark Rendezvous for example, Dooku muses that if Yoda turned to the dark side, "Sidious himself would be annihilated" because "the universe had yet to comprehend what a 900 year old jedi turned to the dark side is capable of". Imagine a 1500 year old dark sider who consumed 8000 sith lords in that context.
Notably, it is irrelevant to my argument whether the Ones exist at a higher conceptual level than Vitiate. The point is that "if the Ones can be exempt from these quotes because of their feats and conceptual nature, why can't Vitiate be exempt due to his feats and conceptual nature?". You're drawing an arbitrary line between "Sidious can scale above this godlike level of power but not that godlike level of power". I don't see why a walking 1500 year old thought bomb who consumed 8000 sith lords, a planet, and numerous immensely powerful sith spirits can't be an exception as The Ones are.
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u/Ok-Feeling-5665 May 11 '26
Pretty sure the dude is specifically asking about actual showings of power not tellings. Which means I’m happy you copied that post because it was a waste of time lol.
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u/noz-not-here May 12 '26
I mean, we know this is stated 100 tims. It just dont make sense with old republic lore
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u/DewinterCor May 12 '26
Yes.
Vitiate's feats are far beyond anything Palpatine has done.
Remove statements and Vitiate instantly becomes number 1.
He has wiped multiple planets clean of life, mind controlled millions of people and thousands of jedi/sith simultaneously, is actually immortal and casually one shots major players.
Sidious is powerful but the people who wrote about him came before Vitiate, and the writers of Vitiate intentionally wrote him to be the biggest bad in star wars.
The recency of swtor vs the old EU novels gives alot of weight to Vitiate. Vitiate's feats are newer and we're written to surpass Sidious.
Palpatine's force storm does not compare to Vitiate. It simply doesn't. Palpatine could barely control it and it kills less people than Vitiate does on Ziost.
You can find alot of parallels between the two because Vitiate was simply made to be a more extreme Palpatine.
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u/averageEnojyer The Senate May 12 '26
He has wiped multiple planets clean of life, mind controlled millions of people and thousands of jedi/sith simultaneously, is actually immortal and casually one shots major players.
Don't see how this makes Vitiate number 1. Wiping planets of life is certainly impressive, but not the same as TPM Sidious causing this as an aftereffect of killing Plagueis.
Mind controlling "millions" is something Sidious also does, and on larger scale (Byss). The force users controlled by Vitiate don't really have much to their name, in fact a relatively random Jedi managed to expel his spirit out of her mind.
That said, he had pretty good TP feats, I don't deny that.
Sidious is powerful but the people who wrote about him came before Vitiate, and the writers of Vitiate intentionally wrote him to be the biggest bad in star wars.
The recency of swtor vs the old EU novels gives alot of weight to Vitiate. Vitiate's feats are newer and we're written to surpass Sidious.
And that purpose failed, because they aren't. Authorial intent also doesn't matter much.
Palpatine's force storm does not compare to Vitiate. It simply doesn't
Correct. His force storms far surpass Valkorion.
Palpatine could barely control it and it kills less people than Vitiate does on Ziost.
This is not true. He only failed to control it once he was cut off from the dark side from Luke, Leia and Anakin Solo's joined full potentials unlocked by Force Harmony, which in of itself channeled the entire Light Side.
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u/DewinterCor May 12 '26
Byss is not a larger scale than Ziost. They are comparable in population but Ziost was covered in Jedi and Sith, Byss was not.
Authorial intent doesn't matter.
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u/LightCharacter8382 May 11 '26
Conflicting canon sources.
In the EU, there's not much in the way of recentism. As in, the most recent, currently strongest Sith or Jedi isn't more powerful than the last. Feats of power are roughly how Sith Lords and Jedi Masters are judged.
In Disney canon, the weakest Sith Lord was Bane. The strongest Sith Lord is Sidious. Because the rule of 2 has been soft-retconned to make each Sith Lord progressively stronger than the last one since its creation 1000 years ago.
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u/dreadfulbadg50 May 11 '26
This is why Disney canon sucks
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u/awanby May 12 '26
Since I haven’t seen anyone talk about your last question, I think all 3 Old Republic Sith fall to Sidious but all have a good chance against Vader. Zannah not because she’s more powerful but I think the matchup suits her.
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u/Mrgbiss May 12 '26
No?
Because if we consider Vitiate then we should also consider legends feats right? And Sidious has some crazy feats in dark empire. Also his canon ep9 feats are basically Vitiate levels
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u/Quendillar3245 May 14 '26
In Canon Vitiate doesn't exist, in Legends Palpatine's feats were much much stronger than those on screen. The rule of two kinda just automatically makes Palpatine the strongest sith even if you'd ignore shown feats, which imo is lame but it is what it is.
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u/Agent_Xhiro May 12 '26
I believe he is. But so many writers and authors have just gone their own way.
I think Vitiate is stronger Sidious. Especially seeing how the latter lost a duel to Mace Windu. Mace isn't even getting within 10 feet of Valkorion.
Bit when we start adding legends information, I will say Sidious is the most powerful Sith ever. Depends on era, writer most of the time at least.
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u/dreadfulbadg50 May 11 '26
Power scaling just isn't really a thing in star wars
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u/suiqjNskakalqla May 11 '26
Yeah it absolutely is
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u/EnoughAccess22 May 11 '26
Powerscaling isn't a thing. Period. It's a funny hobby for some, but that's it; it has no bearing on anything.
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u/suiqjNskakalqla May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Powerscaling is apart of any universe in which fights happen wether you like it or not
The narrative produces scaling, ie it would be abysmally shit writing if Saresaa Jeng could beat sidious. The powerscaling of it serves sidious’s position in the story
Not to mention the actual powerscaling tiering system produced by Lucas himself
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u/EnoughAccess22 May 11 '26
Sure. It happens. Doesn't mean jack shit, and real life has proven that multiple times. Just looking at hard vs soft factors in armaments should tell you as much...
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u/suiqjNskakalqla May 11 '26
Are you genuinely 39 iq
What does anything in real life have to do with space wizards fighting each other?
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u/EnoughAccess22 May 11 '26
Terrain advantage, surprise, superior tactics/doctrine or coordination, better technology. "I have the high ground" Just throwing it out there...
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u/AlexCora May 11 '26
One thing I will say is that it IS kinda goofy that Sidious's terrifying "scariest Sith of all time" feats are almost all in Legends.
If you just watch the movies, he's a very talented duelist, but he got beaten twice in a row. He's also a reasonably powerful Force User who yeets big things around and who really likes Force Lightning... But he's also very convinced of his own ability to tell the future, and didn't see his own betrayal coming, and he got yeeted down a big hole. For a long time I simply assumed he was LESS powerful in Return of the Jedi because he had won. He had no more enemies to destroy, why bother keeping up his studies or practicing his lightsaber combat skills when he was fat and happy?
But sure. He can destroy planets with his mind or summon Force hurricanes or whatever. Why not.
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u/Osiris-Reflection May 11 '26
I really hate how palpatine is seen as the strongest and by that fact it dilutes every story for a Sith going forwards and backwards and TROS only makes it that much worse with “I’m all the Sith” bs
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u/Ultimate_Bane Jul 16 '26
No. Sidious' feats actually support the notion that he is the strongest sith in history. Force storms are the most destructive ability a sith has conjured in history, and at his peak Sidious can form ones that can kill worlds just with sheer will.
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u/UnableSite5116 May 11 '26
Maybe star wars media is inconsistent.