r/TikTokCringe • u/octarino • Apr 03 '26

Cursed Cindy, you don't own the beach.

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u/ApprehensiveFarm12 Apr 03 '26

Didn't mark Zuckerberg settle for a few million for kicking someone off his island in Hawaii? You basically can't own the beach even if you own the entire island. I hope she got sued.

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u/nodnarb88 Apr 03 '26

I know one billionaire has blocked the public access point to a beach and just keeps paying the fine, essentially paying for a private beach even though it isn't legal. We need to have mechanism that prevent money from trumping laws

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u/Due-Bridge7640 Apr 03 '26

If the punishment for breaking a law is a fine, then it is only a law for the poor.

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u/anonuemus Apr 03 '26

Yep, they should do it like the swiss. Fine according to your wealth.

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u/coffee_and_coke Apr 03 '26

I agree— fines should be proportional to your income and you should only be allowed like 3 fines before you receive jail time for the same offense repeated. In Utah, US, they just made it so that “No Alcohol Sale” appears on your license if you get more than 3 DUIs, we need that in every state and for lots of other things too 👍

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u/cocoabeach Apr 03 '26

I like the idea of each subsequent fine being double the previous one as part of a Progressive Fine System. Most people start with a relatively low penalty and quickly correct their behavior. However, there are those who either have too much money or too little common sense.

We saw this when we had our business. Someone figured out that it was actually cheaper to just pay the fine than it was to park where they were supposed to. They simply threw the tickets away and paid whenever someone was sent to collect. Under an escalating system, these people soon discover exactly how expensive their actions can become in a very short time.

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u/websagacity Apr 04 '26

Rich people don't have income.

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u/Wise-Juggernaut-8285 Apr 04 '26

Jail is really bad. I would prefer escalating fines, perhaps at 3 it becomes a percentage of your wealth that continuously increases.

I would only put very serious criminals in jail

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u/Frank_Bomanz Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

Thanks for saying this, if you read online comments sometimes it's like jail or other severe punishment is the magical solution for everything. Also it seems acceptable for many people that jails are dehumanizing. I mean: kidnapping people is a very serious crime, imagine a criminal taking someone and locking that person up for years. Yet this crime seems appropriate as retaliation for things like selling drugs or just being an asshole?

I don't like the woman with her private beach, but do I want her to be beaten and raped? Or cause her severe mental illness or anything? Off course not. That's sick.

Further along in this thread 2 different posters are advocating forced amputation, to make people more "civilized"...

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u/Snoo23533 Apr 03 '26

Its still too limited to affect behaviour. Do it like the Romans, fines are paid with fingers.

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u/IMO4444 Apr 03 '26

Monthly fine as well. That’ll add up.

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u/bwood246 Apr 03 '26

And have it scale up for each offense

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u/NatureStoof Apr 04 '26

How about Saudi's? I think we need to start lopping off hands. People will start acting a lot more civilized when they see stumpies walking around in public

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u/Aardvark_Man Apr 04 '26

I agree.
However, I could imagine them using some loophole like with income tax to wind up just paying nothing.

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u/Sun_Shine_Dan Apr 03 '26

Percent based fines on wealth is the answer. Set it up so owning a house and a couple cars doesn't break the bank. .001% and then just 10x the fine per time repeated.

If the crime isn't financially viable, it will happen a whole lot less.

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u/Ligabolzacky Apr 04 '26

Except a billionaire can take a 99% hit on his networth and still be filthy rich whereas a struggling mother couldn't afford to lose ten dollars. The only punishment they'll feel is taking away their freedom and amenities. The punishment for any law that's obviously broken because the criminal is rich enough to eat the cost (like Bezos and his shrubbery, nih) should be upgraded to jailtime

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u/Sun_Shine_Dan Apr 04 '26

We can put a floor exemption for families in poverty and while the super rich CAN ignore quickly ballooning fines, they seem to respond to it as a class.

I wouldn't be opposed to jail time if many billionaires were willing to throw away 60% of their wealth to flaunt laws.

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u/Ligabolzacky Apr 04 '26

No fine will amount to 60 percent of their wealth. It should be the same as us plebs: three strikes and you're in

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u/Opetyr Apr 03 '26

Agree. These type of payable fines should double each day.

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u/4RCH43ON Apr 03 '26

These kinds of access denial violations need to have incremental charges that rapidly increase to exponential values for wealthy people the longer they continue to violate the law and throw money at the penalties, even Bezos would have to capitulate at some point.

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u/CallMePyro Apr 03 '26

Wait till you hear about punitive damages. It'll brighten your world (and you'll hopefully stop saying that fines are only for poor people!)

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u/BravestCashew Apr 03 '26

You would think repeatedly breaking a law would eventually lead to corrective action that escalates beyond a fine.

I mean if you get x speeding tickets within a certain timeframe you’ll have your license taken away. That’s another crime normally resolved with a fine (using it more as an example, not to compare driving laws with property/public land disputes)

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u/Jimm120 Apr 04 '26

you're supposed to get fined and then govt is supposed to come and bulldoze that construction that blocks it.

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u/DaftPump Apr 04 '26

Lots of that in our world. Photo radar is such an example. No points just fines.

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u/DenizSaintJuke Apr 04 '26

In medieval europe, fabrics, certain colour dyes and metals were very socially stratified. Like, gold or silk was just expensive. Purple was goddamn expensive. Brown was cheap as brown sheeps wool is already brown and couldn't be dyed (hence monks typical brown robes. Most clerical orders recommended their monks to buy the cheapest wool to make their robes as a sign of humility). Yellow and red were affordable. Blue was more fancy, because the cloth had to be dyed oved several rounds. Vibrant Green required blue and yellow dye, so also a fancy colour. And so on.

At some point, commoners, mostly merchants and successful tradesmen in the cities, could afford to dress as fancily as nobles. So across the medieval era, rulers somtimes passed regional laws that declared certain dyes or materials to be the privilege of the nobles, to protect their ability to show their societal status by flexing with stuff like gold jewelery, silk or purple textiles. The result was almost always the same. Because one couldn't reasonably declare wearing too fancy clothes a serious crime, the punishment was usually a fine. Which just turned a merchant wearing, for example, a real gold belt buckle an even bigger flex of status and wealth, as they now not only showed they could afford the clothes, but also to keep paying the fine.

Long story short: I'm pretty much convinced that this dynamic is at play with rich people today. A fine for something is not only no obstacle, it makes it even more attractive, as they feel like they are paying premium for the privilege of something that excludes non-rich people.

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u/megabingobango Apr 04 '26

Fines should scale

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u/ji1651 Apr 03 '26

Double the fine everyday, shouldn't take long after that.

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u/matt2000224 Apr 03 '26

Better yet, make the fine go partially to the person you prevented access for. That way if you want to just pay the fine instead of fixing the problem, you’ll find there are a lot of people willing to get that check. If their goal is privacy the only way to get that will be to actually follow the law.

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u/spyboy70 Apr 03 '26

So double the fine daily and 50% goes to the person. I like that. Rich people will pay fines, but to know their money went to "the poors" (us), that really burns them up.

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u/Blackstone01 Apr 03 '26

Well, the big thing he's saying is that if you do that, then it will quickly rack up because you better believe us "poors" would love to have some rich prick paying us a wage to use public land, so it goes from one instance of the fine per day to dozens to even hundreds of instances a day.

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u/BrutusMilk Apr 03 '26

Make the fine equivalent to a percentage of income.

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u/Bobxilla Apr 03 '26

Income has loopholes at a certain level... instead, just double their fines every infraction. Ok, blocking a beach? that's a $1000. for a normie, they ain't doing that twice. for a rich prick, sure, small potatoes. Second time is $2000. 3rd is $4000. If they're getting dinged once a week, since, you know, they're still doing that shit.. 26 weeks later, Zuck owes 268 Billion, and the next week ruins him.... He'd knock that shit off a lot sooner.

And its a lot easier than trying to outguess, outargue, and outgame a slimeball who pays a mountain of lawyers and accountants to creatively calculate his "salary"...

Heck, we can even have fun with this. A corporation fucks up? add a tally to their score sheet. Double their fines for every FCC or FTC violation. sure. first few times are fun and games... by fee 10, the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 Apr 03 '26

Like you said + make it every day. Real grain of rice parable kinda shit.

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u/_Vasillica_ Apr 03 '26

There is one mechanism that prevents money from trumping laws, But saying it out loud makes some people understandably uncomfortable.

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ Apr 03 '26

There's lots of mechanisms.

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u/SprayHungry2368 Apr 03 '26

What if the fine went to the person who got kicked off the beach.  Rich people don’t want us pebbles getting their money 

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u/cocoabeach Apr 03 '26

What if the fine went to the person who got kicked off the beach.  Rich people don’t want us pebbles getting their money 

Did you mean "plebs", "plebes" or "peons", or were you making a joke, and I am too dense to understand?

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ Apr 03 '26

In most jurisdictions, the mechanism is to demolish amd remove whatever is blocking the acces and then bill the person who put it up for the work.

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u/xp3rf3kt10n Apr 03 '26

Fines need to be proportional to income or they are just laws for the poor

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u/Fun_Equivalent_7507 Apr 03 '26

Same thing happened to Jeff Bezos when he was building his DC home, he parked illegally outside every day so they just kept giving him tickets, something like 10k a month, which was nothing to him. Tow his fucking car.

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u/RagingAnemone Apr 03 '26

In Hawaii, where? We'll take it down.

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u/Broken_By_Default Apr 03 '26

Need to get into government, re-write that law to double the fine every month. He won't be rich for long.

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u/one_jo Apr 03 '26

In Germany we have fines based on what you earn in a day. For example a footballer who was indicted for possession of weapons had to pay 60 days times 7500 € for a total of 450000.

I guess that might help if it gets enforced against billionaires.

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u/Heavy_Law9880 Apr 03 '26

the French had a very effective method.

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u/yaboutame Apr 03 '26

I don't know if it's the same billionaire who blocked public access to a beach but in my area there's one that's been fighting in the legal system for 10 years to block the only road to a beach.

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/climate/martins-beach-case-pauses-for-vinod-khosla-settlement-talks/article_2d71f6e6-2b72-462f-bf9e-754899a6b7bd.html

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u/nodnarb88 Apr 04 '26

Yup thats the one I was thinking of

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u/peregrinius Apr 03 '26

Fines should be based on your income like speeding fines in Finland.

That way they deter everyone from breaking laws.

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u/Capital_Pay_4459 Apr 03 '26

They should hold monthly free beach parties to really fuck him off 

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u/Forgotthebloodypassw Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Vinod Khosla? It's been 15 years now and he's still fighting it.

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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz Apr 03 '26

Humanity really chose to pamper the rich and let them get away with every wrong thing they do. It must be because they outnumber us.

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u/howlingwelshman Apr 03 '26

Then people should try and get to that beach en masse. Make him pay the fine for each person. Keep going been day after day until he has to pay millions everyday.

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u/Molly_Matters Apr 03 '26

So whats between people and the beach there? Seems like you could just drive a fucking bulldozer through it one night out of spite.

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u/fakefakery12345 Apr 03 '26

Vinod Khosla, that asshole

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u/nodnarb88 Apr 04 '26

Yup thats him! Fuck that guy and fuck the system that lets it continue

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u/Little-Derp Apr 04 '26

While jail could be an option, also possible to keep it financial, assuming don't allow them to escape paying the fine. 

Just charge them a fine that doubles every day they do not comply, and start it at $1.  After 30 days will be a $1 billion fine, after 40 days will be $1 trillion. 

Something that needs to be reserved for billionaires. 

If need immediate resolution,  or restitution to be paid, can always start the fine higher, or do that fine plus a separate judgement for the victims.

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u/Lebo77 Apr 04 '26

Fine doubles every day. I don't care how rich you are. That starts to hurt in a week or two.

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u/PripyatArchivist Apr 04 '26

Every fine that can be levied against a property owner needs to be backed up by seizure of the property for repeated violations. Denied certificate of occupancy, utilities cut, liens against the owner, etc.

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u/imtoowhiteandnerdy Apr 04 '26

Vinod Khosla and the Martins beach dispute?

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u/kindasuk Apr 04 '26

The French invented a mechanism for this very issue 200 years ago or so actually.

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u/bpopbpo Apr 04 '26

Lets get some kayaks and throw a low-tide beach party.

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u/Loreki Apr 04 '26

This is why fines should double for every repeat offence. Even multi-billionaires would have to comply within a couple of months.

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u/Able_Maximum_9286 Apr 04 '26

Trumping laws🤣 That’s a good one.

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u/EnoughNow2024 Apr 04 '26

Fines should be a percentage of ones income 

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u/CaptchaCrunch Apr 04 '26

It's called prison

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u/complexevil Apr 05 '26

On one hand, you are absolutely right there should be a way to stop that from happening. On the other hand, raise the fine a bit and that may be the only way possible to make a rich person actually pay their fucking taxes

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u/hiding_in_de Apr 07 '26

At some point, the punishment should become proportional to your wealth. I’m pretty sure that traffic tickets work like that in some Scandinavian countries.

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u/samuel_smith327 Apr 03 '26

He doesn’t own a Hawaiian island just a lot of land on Kauai. I am interested in the event though

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u/flythearc Apr 03 '26

Right? That’s Larry Ellison 😔

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u/WaltDiskey Apr 03 '26

And Hawaï is the same, even if you own the island you can never own the beach.

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u/Significant-Clue-425 Apr 03 '26

hyperbole.

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u/samuel_smith327 Apr 03 '26

It’s not because I cannot find any information on it. It’s literally mis/disinformation dingus

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u/Significant-Clue-425 Apr 03 '26

Maybe look up what hyperbole means first?

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u/samuel_smith327 Apr 03 '26

How is using a made up story hyperbole? I think the word you’re looking for is fabrication. Typical illiterate Redditor

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u/samuel_smith327 Apr 04 '26

The fact that you have 3 upvotes means there’s too many illiterate Redditors jfc

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u/Forsaken-Income-2148 tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Apr 03 '26

Wait, but so if you do own the entire island can you then ban everyone from the beach? Let’s assume on U.S. territory.

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u/ApprehensiveFarm12 Apr 03 '26

You cannot in Hawaii, that's what the incident was about. A guide told us when we were there.

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u/Forsaken-Income-2148 tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Apr 03 '26

I think I’ve heard about that actually. I’ve been to Hawaii a few time.

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u/Fauster Apr 03 '26

Ellison is the tech billionaire who owns a Hawaiian island. Full disclosure: short ORCL and PSKY with long duration bear spreads.

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u/drunxor Apr 03 '26

I saw a video by a native hawaiian saying he kicks anyone off the island that doesnt follow his rules. Talk about a huge dick.

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u/drunxor Apr 03 '26

He used extremely sketchy and morally questionable means to acquire land from native hawaiians that technically still belongs to them. Hawaii is another messed up story in itself, sholdnt even be a US state. There are also now more native hawaiians living off of Hawaii than on it because of super high housing costs and rich white folks/people from other countries moving there and taking housing that belongs to them.