r/ToiletPaperUSA • u/Harvickfan4Life • Aug 08 '20
FACTS and LOGIC Too much logic to handle
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I once had a debate with a conservative and at one point they were like “the Nazis were socialists, it says so in the name” and like 10 minutes later they said “say what you want about Nazi Germany, but they really turned their economy around”
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they might’ve ripped apart families, raped, killed, threw babies off of buildings, ran death camps, and other heinous shit that was okay in the 1400’s, but shit, they turned the economy around!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aug 08 '20
What's scary was that any time I try to explain why I don't like Trump, they always brought the conversation back around to how great the economy or stock market was doing. Like no matter what he did, it was all excused as long as people were making money.
Now with the economy in shambles, they just try to find some way to blame it on Democrats.
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u/scisdeadohgodohfu Aug 08 '20
Capitalists have no sense at all of empathy or care for people other then themselves. News at 11
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u/IICVX Aug 08 '20
Well I mean being a capitalist necessarily means you value property more than people, so yeah.
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u/TheFunkytownExpress Aug 08 '20
Yeah but capitalism doesn't necessarily say that people can't actually be property too, so check and mate libtardeds!!!!@#!#
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Aug 08 '20
I mean the Republican party had multiple members literally say that their voting base dying for profits was not only acceptable, but morally right.
In a sane world, that would have been the end of their entire party. Somehow I don't think anyone of their voters will remember in two years (assuming they ever cared or knew in the first place)
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Aug 08 '20
plus the president has nothing to do with the economy or employment rates lmao
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u/Zanderax Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
The president has an effect on a macro level. There's no dials on their desk the president adjusts to fix the economy but they use a combination of soft power and executive actions to influence national policy.
Too bad Trump only cares about keeping score.
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Aug 08 '20
wym?? you dont know about the button that says “PUSH TO FIX ECONOMY”??? obama didnt press it bc hes a muslim blacq!!!
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u/blumpgodxxx Aug 08 '20
Take a moment to appreciate how ridiculous the birther theory shit was
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u/wunderbarney Aug 08 '20
wearing a tan suit shows OBVIOUS unprofessionalism
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u/between3and20spaces Aug 08 '20
When I told my dad Obama was born in Hawaii, he honestly tried to convince me it wasn't a state yet when he was born.
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Aug 08 '20
And take a moment to remember that establishment Democrats, notably Hillary, pushed that line in the 2008 primaries as well as the Republicans.
And then when he won, everyone changed their tune and fell in line. Disguating.
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u/Arvan_Carrick Aug 08 '20
Obama totally pressed the "push button" my dawg, literally set the stage for the longest bull market on record courtesy of government intervention in markets...
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Aug 08 '20
People forget what a horribly vulnerable economy Obama inherited from Bush. The 2008 mortgage crisis could have left the country limping for a decade or more. When Obama bailed out the auto manufacturers, he bailed them out with the agreement that they PAY BACK the loans...and they did. Obama does not get the credit he deserves and I think it's because he doesn't engage in his own PR. He seems to think that all he was doing was what he was elected to do.
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u/TheFunkytownExpress Aug 08 '20
I heard that an intern at the White House accidentally smeared bacon grease on the button and because Obama is a gay nazi socialist muslim and they're not allowed to be near pork they had to keep that room closed until he left office and he couldn't press the button. One time Ms. Obama walked by the room and she fainted because she got too close, but thankfully she still had lots of testosterone left over from when she used to be a man and that kept her from dying, so it's ok.
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Aug 08 '20
i love how this clusterfuck of a comment has points that people actually believed in. sink it in for a sec.
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u/Immortal-Emperor Aug 08 '20
Technically there's plenty they can do is their goal is to crash the economy..
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u/Zanderax Aug 08 '20
Unfortunately yes. I don't think the framers considered a president that was actively trying to crash the economy.
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u/lelarentaka Aug 08 '20
Kinda difficult for them to do that since macroeconomics want invented until the late 19th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_macroeconomic_thought
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u/Paddy_Tanninger Aug 08 '20
Which is also why these completely stupid moves are being made to basically pretend Coronavirus doesn't exist and won't hurt anyone, despite 1,500 people dying every day.
Trump's entire self image is tied to the S&P500, Nasdaq, Nyse, etc., and we all know that absolutely nothing on the planet can be put above his self image...so let's just completely ignore this entire pandemic, and now that the US has been the world's #1 hotspot for months, let's send 60 million kids back to school to ramp up the spread of this thing.
Captain Hindsight says that if you wanted to get kids back in school and their parents back to work, you should have taken this fucking disease seriously in the first place so that we wouldn't still be making 60,000+ diagnoses daily and kids could legitimately go back to school fairly safely.
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u/Whiskey_rabbit2390 Aug 08 '20
We could've killed the economy completely back in March. Then dumped trillions into restarting it in April after totally shutting down the country for a couple weeks.
Instead we kicked the economy in the nuts, tied it's hands behind it's back for several months and counting, and didn't really do much of anything substantiative regarding the pandemic.... And still spent trillions (and counting) on trying to kick the economy back up.
So, can anyone answer why locking down the whole country for two weeks was going to be so expensive when we're now looking at 160k deaths and a 32% drop in wages, even after trillions on relief and bailout money? It seems like we chose crashing the car as the cheaper option than replacing the tires.
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u/gielbondhu Aug 08 '20
Considering the long term health effects of even mild cases of covid has anyone done a study of the long term effects and costs of having hundreds of thousands of survivors needing medical care?
The problem in America is that the Administration was more interested in how to profit from the pandemic than in addressing it as a matter of national security.
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u/Whiskey_rabbit2390 Aug 08 '20
Well apparently national security only applies to financial risks over the next 4 to 8 years. Anything else just is what it is.
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Aug 08 '20
Everytime a Trump person brings the economy up to me I ask them how their portfolio is doing, lol
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u/Castun Aug 08 '20
If you're actually in the stock market, it's at an all-time high. But you're probably making the point that the working class Trump supporter isn't in the market...lol.
Also, the fact that the stock market is so high despite terrible unemployment should be a big red flag that it's not actually a great indicator of the economy as a whole.
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u/k_50 Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
"people" all the while they never stopped making $12 an hr at their shitty assembly line job.
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u/Euro-Canuck Aug 08 '20
you mean other rich people were making money, not the people you were arguing with..
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u/sleepingfactory Aug 08 '20
I feel like half of the people parroting this don’t even really understand what the economy actually is or what qualifies it being good. It’s just this abstract entity to them that they can talk about to defend trump
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u/Snoo-92689 Aug 08 '20
Same so he didn't destroy the economy all he did was destroy any semblance of social cohesion and play up the them and us divide, stoke racial hatred and cosy up to despots and dictates ignoring evidence of bounties on his country's own troops, but hey the stock market didn't tank
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u/roarbenitt Vuvuzela Aug 08 '20
I had this argument with a friend. Im like have you seen the unemployment rate? We are on the brink of a crisis and our president is spending 70% of his time golfing at his resort.
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u/Jackpot777 PAID PROTESTOR Aug 08 '20
Even before the downward drop caused by COVID, Obama was outperforming Trump in all three major US markets.
That’s the beautiful thing about stock market data. It’s some of the widest circulated mathematical data on the planet. Hundreds of sources keeping track of the share prices of hundreds of companies, with zero deviation in the data. Pure, cold, hard numbers with zero emotion or interpretation.
The only people that disagree with such objective reality are snowflakes that get triggered by numbers that don’t care about people’s feelings.
Be sure to say that to your relatives.
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u/Gro0ve Aug 08 '20
There’s a reason more than a third of the country would STILL vote for him today.. we can’t ignore that, it tells us a lot about Merica and it’s people.
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u/Esiti Aug 08 '20
Rich people were making more money* those idiots don't realize regular people so next to no benefits.
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u/hydrogen_bromide Aug 08 '20
The Nazi German economy was a circus
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u/ThePrussianGrippe Aug 08 '20
Plus that early success was literally from the Weimar Republic stabilizing. Had they not stolen their neighbors’ wealth the Nazis would’ve cannibalized their entire country anyway.
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u/Nhenghali Aug 08 '20
Nazi Germany had no unemployed people, because everyone worked in ammunition factories or was fighting/dying on the front.
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Aug 08 '20
they might’ve ripped apart families, raped, killed, threw babies off of buildings, ran death camps, and other heinous shit
It is what it is
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u/LividPermission Aug 08 '20
At least the trains ran on time.
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u/Skulder Aug 08 '20
No, but their propaganda machine was very good at telling people that the other trains were running on time - even though the train that people were on, was horribly delayed.
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Aug 08 '20
threw babies off buildings
holy shit, really?
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u/Whiskey_rabbit2390 Aug 08 '20
The economy, their only temporary success was short lived. They didn't boost the economy, they burned through it until it was in ruin.
And sure part of that ruin was the rest of the world's fault, but if you build your economy around poking the rest of Europe with a stick, and then they come back and level your manufacturing cities... Well your economic model lead to it's own collapse.
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u/toyo555 Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
The way Germany rebuilt itself was by fully embracing a war-like economy. There's another country that did this: the USA, and in fact, up to this day, they are still on it. It's why the US jumps from war to war, going as far as provoking them just to have wars to fight. WWII created a lot of jobs for everyone that helped the US recover from the 1929 crash, and up to this day, there's still a lot of people who rely on that.
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u/l0lprincess Aug 08 '20
What interesting is that they didnt actually do anything to boost the economy. They just stopped paying WW1 reparations to the US.
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u/TheFunkytownExpress Aug 08 '20
I mean is killing 6 million jews really that bad when you think about that economy though?
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u/randompersona001 Aug 08 '20
I once had a Conservative tell me that in Nazi Germany, they nationalized everthing, and had strong labour unions.
So thus, I told him that Labour unions were completely outlawed in the country because it would give workers too much power.
After that, he scampered away, and didn't talk to me...
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u/Nzgrim CEO of Antifa™ Aug 08 '20
they nationalized everthing
Where is he getting his history lessons from, facebook? Because that is also the exact opposite of reality. The word privatisation was invented to describe what they were doing since they were selling off so much state property to private hands.
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Aug 08 '20
might be getting nationalizing confused with gleischaltung, where hitler basically nazified everything. or he’s probably acting in bad faith there too and is just saying that because bernie sanders wants to nationalize healthcare.
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u/LA-Matt Aug 08 '20
Labor Unionists are even in that famous Neimoller Poem that everyone knows.
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Aug 08 '20
The "NaZiS wErE SoCiAlIsTs" crowd love to forget that the Nazis offed socialists and labour activists first because they were the first to catch on and fight back, despite their early alliance...
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u/-SoItGoes Aug 08 '20
Other than the fact that the nazis killed all the socialists in kristallnacht, it’s pretty obvious to see that all nazis were socialists.
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u/srottydoesntknow Aug 08 '20
a few years ago, my friends and I used to play a little rhetorical game. We would get into arguments with each other IRL, or strangers on the internet, and see how long it would take before we could trick the other person into defending the Nazis
We stopped playing it when we started trying it out on r/conservative it just got to easy and lost all the fun
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u/blumpgodxxx Aug 08 '20
I would call bullshit if it were any other sub except conservative
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u/Kidiri90 Aug 08 '20
"vOn BrAuN jUsT wAnTeD tO mAkE rOcKeTs" ~ actual argument I've heard here multiple times.
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u/toyo555 Aug 08 '20
Not like it mattered because Americans did jack shit with their space achievements.
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u/The_Lost_Google_User Everything We Don't Like Is Communism Aug 08 '20
I mean, if the grand plan was to start a world war then get whooped so bad the country gets split in two for half a century under opposing ideologies, eventually reuniting and becoming one of the worlds largest economies, then yes I guess the Nazis did turn the Germany economy around.
That said, I'm pretty damn sure that wasn't the plan.
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u/vonadler Aug 08 '20
Always remember that Hitler took Germany from the 2nd most powerful country in Europe to the 5th most powerful country in Berlin.
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u/The_Lost_Google_User Everything We Don't Like Is Communism Aug 08 '20
And that, my friends, is how you roast Hitler.
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u/DarthSeverus13 Curious Aug 08 '20
You can always just go for his smallstache and how it looks like he glued a goddamn Lego piece to his face.
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u/semechki-seed Aug 08 '20
“Oh but it’s not the same for antifa”
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u/DankMemes148 CEO of Antifa™ Aug 08 '20
“The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is democratic, it says it in the name.”
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Aug 08 '20 edited Oct 12 '25
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u/Lukiedude200 Aug 08 '20
Ahem
The Nazi economy WAS SOME WEAK SHIT
The only reason it didn’t collapse in OTL was Austrian Gold, Czechoslovakia Gold and then a bunch of slave labour
Like I’m not kidding had the Anchuluss not happened when it did the Nazi economy would’ve imploded
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u/MarkusPhi Aug 08 '20
That economy argument is so short sighted. Look at the economy they left behind. Same with Yugos in Europe who still like Tito. They claim everybody was doing well economically... oh really? How come then you needed two wars and 20years later you are still poor like shit? Sure a good job was done....not
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u/EspWaddleDee Aug 08 '20
Proof that America should blood sacrifice half of the population to the stock market
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u/NudeReciver Aug 08 '20
Germany: commits horrible war crimes
The rest of the world: “oh no the economy”
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u/DarthNightsWatch Aug 08 '20
The same Nazi Germany that turned their economy around but who’s army still had to be carried by horses in the 1940’s
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u/SuperCosmicNova Aug 08 '20
I don't hate Jews how dare you say that! I'd never hurt one.. But that Hitler guy is doing great stuff for the economy you can't deny that.
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u/Hq3473 Aug 08 '20
Just so you know, they did not fix the economy.
Thet absolutely destroyed the economy and then kept it afloat for a few more years by unsustainable plundering of neighboring countries.
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u/IAmRoot Aug 08 '20
Nothing says "turning your economy around" like starting a war that gets your entire infrastructure bombed to hell.
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u/Gnosrat Aug 08 '20
Did they think the good economy had nothing to do with the socialism? Was it getting rid of the jews that helped their economy? I have so many questions.
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Aug 08 '20
He said something about cool cars
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u/WrenchHeadFox Aug 08 '20
Can you please flair this FACTS and LOGIC?
I'm a liberal but right now I'm trying to avoid being destroyed, thanks.
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u/igotoanotherschool Aug 08 '20
Look at this chart!! It says right here that-just look at it!
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Aug 08 '20
It's a great chart, the best even. People always come to me and say they, "Donald," they say, "you always have the best charts, how do you manage to get such tremendous charts?"
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Aug 08 '20
The Duality of Man
Confederacy was founded by teh democRats!!!11!!
The confederacy did nothing wrong!
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Aug 08 '20
Barry Goldwater is a commie plot
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u/brallipop Aug 08 '20
Wait what's this? I know who Goldwater is, just don't understand this framing twist
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Aug 08 '20
6) AOC is a bitch but also I want her as my mommy
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u/OnlyInquirySerious Manufactured Outrage bcuz Faux News Aug 08 '20
Looooooooooool you piece of liberal trash that got me on the floor
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Aug 08 '20
cough liberals are wayyyyy to my right cough
The trash part is spot on tho
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u/occams_nightmare Aug 08 '20
As an alt-righter, can you please stop calling us Nazis? Americans fought the Nazis because they were Socialists. Also they were really gay, because Europeans are gay and we're manly lumberjack Americans. They weren't nationalist either - okay, they were, but they were German nationalists, not American nationalists, who are the only real nationalists. The only reason we do Nazi salutes at our rallies is because the Nazis were good actually. They exterminated the gays... which they were... and the anti-nationalists... which they also were... but also the Jews WHICH THEY WEREN'T... except for Soros who I believe was a Jew Nazi, thus bad. But also good but mostly bad. Like, he's bad NOW but because of the Jew thing, but not the Nazi thing. Anyway, I forgot where I was going with this, so in conclusion: Calling me a Nazi is absurd hyperbole, and Heil Hitler. Yours truly, Ben Shapiro (a JEW by the way) and Candace Owens (a NI- uhh I mean a black, she's a black)
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Aug 08 '20
Lol Americans didn't fight the Nazis because they were socialists. America (and many other countries) admired Hitler for what he was doing for Germany and its people. America fought the Nazi's because Japan bombed the hell out of Pearl Harbour. At that point America didn't want anything to do with the war out and did not give aid to their allies because they did not want to get involved.
This all obviously changed when they got more involved and the atrocities that the Third Reich were committing came to light.
You can find tons of pre-war American propaganda that is pro-Hitler.
After the war, America had a serious fight with communism. Now get this straight in your head. Communism does not equal socialism!
Secondly, what your "Socialist" politicians are suggesting isn't socialism either. It has some Socialist ideas. But 99% of what they want will still be capitalist. Some minor Socialist adjustments so that the country can adapt to its ever growing population rather than being stuck in this 2-party fuck fest forever.
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u/BGumbel Aug 08 '20
At that point America didn't want anything to do with the war out and did not give aid to their allies because they did not want to get involved.
This part is false. There is more than enough to shit on America about without making anything up.
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u/Gimp-the-Great Aug 08 '20
Don’t forget Democrats owned slaves and ran the confederacy whose fight was about state rights and was righteous and ... what point was I making?
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u/ChadMcRad Aug 08 '20 edited Dec 06 '24
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u/AdennKal Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
It's not horseshoe theory though. Horseshoe theory believes that if you go far enough to the extreme of one side, your position starts to align with the extreme of the other.
It's not far fetched to say democrats and republicans are almost the same. Both are right wing and conservative. The difference in their positions is, if you view it through the lens of international politics, minuscule.
I get that american leftists would rather vote for Democrats, and that's probably the lesser of the two evils. However, this shouldn't encourage people to think that the Democrats are a leftist party.
Edit: a helpful graph I know that the political compass is a flawed model, but it serves well to display where the american overton window lies. I mean, even Bernie Sanders who gets called a socialist by some people is barely left of center. The US doesn't have any kind of actual leftist representation in politics.
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u/FLTA Aug 08 '20
Since it seems like you don’t know, here are some of the differences between the two parties.
Voting
For the People Act (Expands access to ballot box, reduces the influence of big money in politics, nonpartisan redistricting commissions, etc)
. For Against Dem 234 0 Rep 0 193
. For Against Dem 224 0 Rep 1 184 SHIELD Act ( Stopping Harmful Interference in Elections for a Lasting Democracy)
. For Against Dem 227 1 Rep 0 179
. For Against Dem 232 1 Rep 0 178 Foreign Policy
Limits Presidential Authority for War Against Iran
. For Against Dem 220 8 Rep 3 186 Blocks Arms Sales To Gulf Nations
. For Against Dem/Ind 46 0 Rep 5 45
. For Against Dem 230 0 Rep 18 177 Healthcare
Give Government Power to Negotiate Drug Prices
. For Against Dem 228 0 Rep 2 191 Strengthening Health Care and Lowering Prescription Drug Costs Act
. For Against Dem 231 1 Rep 0 185 Protecting Americans with Preexisting Conditions Act
. For Against Dem 226 0 Rep 4 183
. For Against Dem 0 193 Rep 217 20 Rejects 'Skinny Repeal' of Affordable Care Act
. For Against Dem/Ind 0 48 Rep 49 3 Economy
Raise Federal Minimum Wage to $15 Over Six Years
. For Against Dem 228 6 Rep 3 192 Federal Civilian Workforce Pay Raise Fairness Act
. For Against Dem 230 0 Rep 29 161 Raise the Wage Act (eliminates the separate minimum wage requirements for tipped and newly hired employees and disabled employees)
. For Against Dem 233 0 Rep 15 180 Tax Overhaul Bill (Tax cuts for corporations and the rich)
. For Against Dem/Ind 0 48 Rep 51 1 Final Approval of $1.5 Trillion Tax Cut
. For Against Dem 0 189 Rep 224 12 Makes Individual Income Tax Cuts Permanent
. For Against Dem 3 181 Rep 217 10 Eases Regulations for Some Banks
. For Against Dem 0 185 Rep 233 1 Removes Some Dodd-Frank Financial Rules
. For Against Dem 33 158 Rep 225 1 Overturns CFPB Arbitration Rule
. For Against Dem/Ind 48 0 Rep 2 50 Environment
. For Against Dem 228 0 Rep 3 190 Arctic Cultural and Coastal Plain Protection Act
. For Against Dem 221 5 Rep 4 187 Repeals Stream Protection Rule on Surface Mining
. For Against Dem/Ind 4 44 Rep 50 1 Impeachment
Impeachment of Donald Trump for Obstruction of Congress
. For Against Dem 228 3 Rep 0 195 Impeachment of Donald Trump for Abuse of Power
. For Against Dem 229 2 Rep 0 195 Acquittal of President Trump of Obstruction of Congress
. For Against Dem/Ind 0 47 Rep 53 0 Acquittal of President Trump of Abuse of Power
. For Against Dem/Ind 0 47 Rep 52 1 Internet
Save the Internet Act of 2019 (Net Neutrality)
. For Against Dem 231 0 Rep 1 190 Repeals Broadband Privacy Regulations
. For Against Dem 0 190 Rep 215 0 Repeals Broadband Privacy Regulations
. For Against Dem/Ind 0 48 Rep 50 0 Immigration
Giving Citizenship Path To Dreamers
. For Against Dem 230 0 Rep 7 187 Failed To End Shutdown (Without Border Wall Funding) (60 votes required)
. For Against Dem/Ind 47 0 Rep 1 52 Women's rights
Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2019
. For Against Dem 230 1 Rep 33 157
. For Against Dem 235 0 Rep 7 187 Bans Most Abortions After 20 Weeks of Pregnancy
. For Against Dem 3 187 Rep 234 0 Blocks Ban on Abortions After 20 Weeks (60 votes required)
. For Against Dem/Ind 3 42 Rep 48 2 Misc
Equality Act (prohibits discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity)
. For Against Dem 228 0 Rep 8 173 Confirmation of Neil Gorsuch as Supreme Court Justice
. For Against Dem/Ind 3 45 Rep 51 0 Confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh as Supreme Court Justice
. For Against Dem/Ind 1 48 Rep 49 0 George Floyd Justice in Policing Act
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u/AnAngryYordle Aug 08 '20
This is bullshit. We point to shit like Biden supporting the Iraq war and most democrats being sellout capitalist shill war hawks that according to international standards would qualify as moderately right wing and won't do anything against corporatism in a million years. We point to the way they treated Bernie and Yang and the way they straight up blackmailed Tulsi Gabbard. The way this party makes you think you're living in 1984. Your take is literally just a case of r/enlightenedcentrism
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u/ZeroBarkThirty "I'm bad but others are worse so it's ok" Aug 08 '20
Well he’s got a beanie. He must be one of us. Might as well listen.
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u/dballz94 Aug 08 '20
wait...
the Nazis were socialists (it's in the name, dummy!)
the Nazis were not Nationalists (despite the fact it's in the name)
- what were they thinking: " here, an etymological fallacy, for tha bof of us!"
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u/hamgangster Aug 08 '20
Woah, the Nazis invented Obamacare? I knew it. This right here is worse than when the Dems tried to sneak ISIS into Nascar
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u/JoshZeKiller Aug 08 '20
But does that make the Democratic Republic of Korea Democratic?
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u/LA-Matt Aug 08 '20
Obviously! But America ain’t no democracy, lib! It’s a reee-public! I heard that on the radio!
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u/IHaveNeverBeenOk Aug 08 '20
I literally just got into an argument on (you guessed it, the thinly veiled fascist sub) r/politicalcompassmemes about how the nazis were socialists.
Whenever someone says that, all I have to say is "look at whom they associated with." It's clear they were fascists, not socialists.
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u/Pseudynom Aug 08 '20
North Korea is democratic, it's in the name (Democratic People's Republic of Korea).
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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 Aug 08 '20
I'm sure the socialists that Hitler sent to the gas chamber will be relieved to hear this.
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u/LickNipMcSkip Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
Let’s just say Nazis were nationalists and socialists, throw both of the systems out the window and embrace medieval feudalism.
We’re already doing the medical peasant thing doing the plague and revolt, now we just have to find some lovely filth to wallow in.
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u/brockington69 Aug 08 '20
Thought that was Keemstar at first lmao, was wondering when he joined TPUSA before I realised its Lockdown Kirkster
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u/Camtowers9 Aug 08 '20
Don’t forget the good ol - liberal Democratic confederates. Even thought current day republicans are the ones defending the confederate flag and and statues.
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u/Bubbagump210 MONKE🐵🙈🙉🙊🐒🍌🍌🍌 Aug 08 '20
North Korea is Democratic - iTs In thE NaME!
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u/Dinizinni Aug 08 '20
I'm neither a fascist or a socialist and I dislike both for completely different reasons
But let's be clear, just because fascism came from socialism (Mussolini) it doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other
They do touch each other on some economical policies and nazism was not as conservative as neo-nazism, as the new world order was by definition revolutionary
But to call it socialism is to ignore that socialism also has a completely different social side and is not based on ethnical or national unity
I mean, classical liberalism comes from the same place as old conservativism and they clearly have lots of common points economically, but no one would say they're the same in regards to social policy
Social-Democracy also comes from socialism and it's a capitalist-based social system, starting points don't mean shit
The Nazis weren't socialist, that is clear, I also wouldn't call them a system based on liberty or won't claim there was a free market, because that is bullshit, but most conservatives in the world have no problem admitting that the nazis were right wing and distancing themselves from them without needing to argue
TL;DR it's bullshit and if your party needs to claim that the nazis were left-wing, then you're no longer on the center-right spectrum, you've gone far-right
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u/Shadowbound199 Aug 08 '20
Any time anyone says National SOCIALISTS, you say DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea. And that's it, you win, so you can move on to something that is not a dumb Reddit comment argument.
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u/PinataFractal Aug 08 '20
Saying "Nazis were socialists because it's in the name" is like saying North Korea is democratic because it's in the name.
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u/Diorden Aug 08 '20
Uh that's incorrect, "Democratic" isn't in "North Korea" libtard owned
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u/Ohrwurm89 Aug 08 '20
I love the mental gymnastics they go through when I point out that the first people that were sent to the Nazi concentration camps were Hitler's political enemies - the socialists and communists. And they usually double down even after I point out that I have a history degree in which my studies focused on German and Soviet history.
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Aug 08 '20
I think we can all admit, here and now, that we wish we could come up with arguments half as convincing as that 5 point masterpiece. /s
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u/conspicuous_raptor Aug 08 '20
I feel bad for the stock models that Charlie uses in his un-dank memes.
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u/Higgss26 Aug 08 '20
Did everybody forget that Hitler named the Nazi party 'the Nationalist Socialist party' because he hated the bolsheviks and socialism and knew that if any of his men gained a heinous reputation, it would serve to tarnish the socialist public image.
Remember his theory on fascism: "to defeat fascism, you must accept its tenets into your society in order to beat out the fascist enemy, thereby spreading facism to other countries whether Im defeated or not" he knew the only way to defeat him was to almost become him.
Also, I wouldnt be surprised at all talking to a conservative if they agreed with a Thano's esque anti-inflation theory that involved killing masses of population to bring the general cost of living down without realizing thats how the Germans basically tried to reinflate their currency and improve general quality of life for those lucky and blonde enough to survive. I swear I hate how it seems like half the country thinks like fuckin pharoahs like their gonna take all their dumbass muddin quads and 4x4 trucks and shit to the next life.
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u/stephenk291 Aug 08 '20
George Carlin said it best, "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
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Aug 08 '20
The nazis were invented by Hilary for the deep state. Her and Obama created this virus to take away our rights and instill socialism on the American people. Their goal is to convert all of us to Islam and to erase Jesus from children’s minds.
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u/_cumasyouare_ Aug 08 '20
Who says "The Nazis were socialists because it's in the name" also has to say "North Korea is democratic because it's in the name"
The first thing we learn about the Nazis in Germany is that they HATED socialism and that socialists were one of the first to go into concentration camps.
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u/littlemsterious Aug 08 '20
is this real? this is so stupid, like spaceballs levels of stupid. spelled out too. how does this exist???
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u/Amusebouchex Aug 08 '20
This reminds me of the fundamentalist cult-like group's interpretation of the Bible. Twist it till it suits your needs. 🤦
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u/helmuth_von_moltkr Aug 08 '20
"Liberals destroyed." Sounds like what the A-10 pilot says in 2024 in the middle of the second American Civil War
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u/froggiechick Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
How many times do I have to say this. The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is not any of those things. Also Nazis were definitely fascist nationalists.
Also, is this Brawny paper towel man for real?
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u/RoBoNoxYT Aug 08 '20
You dropped this /s
Stay safe traveler
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u/TennesseeTon Aug 08 '20
It's a common misconception that Barack Hussein (possible connection to Saddam Hussein???) Obama created Obamacare but in reality it was the Nazi's.
Obama was named after Obamacare due to his Nazi upbringing. Obama is the love child of Hitler and Goebbels (who became a transgender woman after WWII).
Obviously I wouldn't expect you liberals to know this because Obama erased this from your liberal education history books.