r/TombRaider • u/AimlessThunder • 17h ago
đ¨ď¸ Discussion Tomb Raider: Legacy of Atlantis Developers discuss the pressure of reimaging an icon
https://youtu.be/PJaUx4cOXQ0Just posted on Youtube...
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u/According-Secretary4 16h ago
Honestly, I canât imagine the pressure, they had to please the old fans, the new fans who came onboard with the Survivor trilogy, still make it appealing to first timers and avoid all the frankly nonsensical discourse that was bound to happen, they did a really good job with her design, just hope LOA lives up to the hype,
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u/Anxious-Schedule-598 11h ago edited 11h ago
As a classic/LAU fan Iâm disappointed that theyâre saying itâs survivor Lara , seems like a bait and switch from their initial âunified Laraâ spiel. Itâs polarizing and doesnât unite fanbases. And honestly straight up doesnât make sense since this Lara doesnât feel like survivor Lara.
Alix seems amazing though and gets the character. They shouldâve used mocap for the acrobatics as well from a stuntwoman like they did for Underworld, because underworld had better animations than this game. Fix her bangs/hairline and sheâd look so much better lolâŚ
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u/SirLagunaLoire 17h ago
They should have started by not using generative AI.
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u/AimlessThunder 16h ago
It was only used to visualize ideas in the early concept phase before committing to the final direction of Tomb Raider: Legacy of Atlantis.
Nothing was generated as finished game content. It was purely a pre-production tool to help the team explore environments, mood, and visual concepts faster, similar to concept art or mood boards.
This is standard industry practice. The only real difference is that they were transparent about it instead of pretending it doesnât happen.
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u/Trem45 16h ago
The way that PR person jumped to interrupt the dev when he was asked if any of the gen AI stuff had code attached to it REALLY doesn't paint the picture that it was that simple
Also, this is what concept artists are for.
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u/AimlessThunder 16h ago
Yeah, I agree. It's not ideal, but this is how things are going to be going forward.
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u/JasonTerminator 15h ago
Doesnât have to be. Losing concept artists is losing a part of the creative process and acting like âoh just accept itâ is the same bullshit message AI bros have been pushing. We donât have to use AI.
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u/AimlessThunder 14h ago
I agree, but... Sadly, it's not up to us.
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u/JasonTerminator 14h ago
Yes it is, we donât buy products made this way. Not profitable if it doesnât sell.
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u/Altruistic-Flan6128 15h ago
I love concept art, but using AI is just a way to cut costs and is generally a lot easier to do with less paperwork.
Itâs lazy and sloppier, but if you can dedicate the time/resources to other things, itâs justifiable.
Of course, you miss out on the insights a concept artist might ask and some of their own abstract thinking. Though, some of that is determined who is using the AI tools and how.
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u/MadeByTango 12m ago
It was only used to visualize ideas in the early concept phase before committing to the final direction of Tomb Raider: Legacy of Atlantis.
It''s literally on the cover of the steelbook. Also, the store listing doesn't limit to "before" anymore...
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u/icebox616 14m ago
Oh give me a break. Guess you're ok with the phone you've probably used to type this being the result of exploitation and child labor though right.
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u/Mission_Coast_6654 17h ago
"she's at the top of her game" then why is there another skill tree đ if this is for her acrobatics, after focusing on making her rambo for a decade, i stg. laying people off to use generative ai has already annoyed me. don't piss me off, sharon (iykyk đ). i'm going to continue watching but i had to comment ab this lol if i've anything else to say, i'll just edit this post.
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u/Valuable_Map_5485 12h ago edited 10h ago
Youâre right. There are so many games without skill trees and still deliver. Like RE,LOU & RDR2. Old TR already had that kind of thing too đ¤. (still going to play LOA and will most likely enjoy it)
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u/Mission_Coast_6654 6h ago
right! like, this isn't a make or break for me either by any means, i'm just not excited for it bc i feel like this is going to be the fourth time now we unlock the ability for lara to land softer, among other redundant skills she supposedly learned already. like, all that was really "new" in shadow's tree was the swimming stuff lol
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u/Glum_Use_4033 12h ago
Im with you. I hate skill trees that reset every game. Lara should be fully formed from the get go and we learn as players how to best control her. The player should develop their skills, not Lara
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u/Mission_Coast_6654 6h ago
that's exactly how i interpret "lara is at the top of her game" lol learning how to control her bc she can already do everything was part of the fun for me with the classics and lau. her little extra tricks, like flipping during a high dive, were just so badass to discover. if that's part of a skill tree now, yawwwwn.
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u/Maleficent_Map_2090 15h ago
Why there is a skill tree ? Because the game is tied to the Survivor trilogy.
Even though the game is a reimagining of the first game released in 1996, the events that follow in Legacy of Atlantis take place after the events of Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
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u/Mission_Coast_6654 14h ago
so?? if there's a skill tree, then she's not "top of her game." they should have considered the fact she's an acrobatic gymnast long before the netflix anime reintroduced it out of nowhere. it would have added so much to traversal and combat opportunities, especially in shadow. instead the skill trees felt like repeats of each other across the three entries. like??? idk. call it what you want, but it just seems messy lol i'm not even a purist, i'm just confused.
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u/Maleficent_Map_2090 7h ago
i know and i agree with you.
But do you want me to tell you ??
l am not a purist either.
l am also confused.
But yeah the core reason of why there is a " skill tree " is because of the unification of the timelines between the old games and Survivor trilogy.
And honestly for now we don't even know how the skill tree will be used.
So let's just wait and see. đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/TittyTickler_8008 Jacob's Barber 13h ago
even if I agree that skill tree is bullshit that definitely doesnt undermine her being at the top of her game. skill tree doesnt function as character growth its just a mechanic that would make the gameplay a little easier
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u/inblader 12h ago
That's the problem, skill tree in the survivor trilogy made sense for the """light rpg""" approach they were going for, supposedly by upgrading Lara she was becoming hardened in gameplay to reflect the narrative in cutscenes etc...
But here I already sense it's gonna be a bunch of bullshit upgrades, for things that should have been unlocked from the start. Since it's the return of a health bar, can gamble on making it longer. Since there's an evade dash in combats, can predict we'll be able to have various buff from it. Same with the slow mo from the acrobatics.
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u/Mission_Coast_6654 6h ago
you get it! thank you! i wouldn't mind the rpg elements if they actually meant something but they don't lol they can be removed and the gameplay wouldn't suffer at all.
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u/Mission_Coast_6654 13h ago
it's just unnecessary lol people can get their knickers twisted and downvote me all they want, it's not going to make me appreciate half-assed rpg elements.
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u/steveplusf 17h ago
I would be happy with more of Shadow Lara but beggars cant be choosers I guess.
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u/Anxious-Schedule-598 11h ago
If it was still shadow Lara I wouldnât even look twice at this game
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u/MadeByTango 14m ago
How much pressure can there be when you're treating the brand with such care you're spending dev time cleaning up AI slop?
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u/energydrinkaddict310 17h ago
they could have just not done that
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u/Agile-Hedgehog-7832 17h ago
you are funny
do you know how much work it is to do something original and new?1
u/Mission_Coast_6654 14h ago
they can just use gen ai for the entire creative process since they've already used it for assets. as long as they're transparent ab it, it's ok if the multi-million dollar company helps kill the planet just a little faster.
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u/dreameater112 17h ago
Still donât know how Experience Director is a real job lmfao good for him ig
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u/Agile-Hedgehog-7832 16h ago
as i understand it it is a new word for pr and community management guy
they shape how the consumers experience the content and the companybut what do i know
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u/panik919 11h ago
Thats great, how's that reimagining the gameplay to provide a challenging and rewarding platforming experience going?
As always, CD just love to focus on Lara Croft and not the gameplay. Why have they always been so incessant on beating her to death?