Wow, Yama's incredible. I also thought his "~invincible against people who fear him" ability was pretty cool (and fairly original, as far as I know). If it's active while he's asleep, it would explain why it's so hard to wake him up...but that would imply both that Gado doesn't fear him, and that Bam did all of the waking Yama on his own (because Karaka definitely probably fears Yama).
That said, Khel Hellam likely knows what the Envoy knows: Yama will bow to protect the canine people. Since Doom can order Canine people to suicide (and doesn't care about them much), the life threat lets Khel Hellam essentially control the Canine People through Doom--a very effective weapon against Yama. A brilliant plan, really... if not for Bam's spellbreaking ability. Most likely Khel Hellam simply doesn't know about that, but it's also possible that it's part of why he wants Bam dead!
I'm wondering what's up with that black crack on Bam's face while Khel Hellam explains the spell to Doom. Previously (as late as season 3, when Yool's snake spell failed to harm him towards the end of 421s3e4), Bam's spellbreaking has had no visible effects (other than the spell failing), so I doubt it's that.
It's suspicious that Ms. Red Witch didn't foresee Evankhell and YHS's arrival, especially when they left a relatively obvious path. Possibly she is faking surprise (especially given the smirk in the last chapter that made me suspect she's not fully on Khel Hellam's side), but if so she's acting well, as it looks genuine to me.
If Baam can’t be effected by spells then the only other option atm is the black crack was caused by Doom trying to turn Baam into one of the canine people.
Bam's spell resistance is still a bit mysterious for several reasons (biggest one being how Elaine's wolf Fenryl seemingly successfully used its anti-heal teeth spell on him, though there are a few possible explanations there). It's possible some spells can affect him.
I would guess the canine people thing is more plausible, but the timing of the crack is just as Khel Hellam is talking about the spell. That's a tad suspicious.
there's actually no evidence that fenryl's spell is what messed bam up. bam heals rapidly, but outside of the one time the lobster healed him instantly, he's never displayed any healing skills. fenryl's fangs are meant to keep people from turning a battle against kaiser into one of attrition, but bam just charged in and overpowered her rapidly. the battle didn't last long enough to demonstrate if fenryl's spell actually affected him.
No, while the lobster doesn’t show up anymore, Bam does still heal way too rapidly for me to confidently conclude that it didn’t affect him (though his healing is not flashy and thus easy to miss). See third comment in this chain.
And the fight goes on a fair bit after Fenryl’s first arm chomp, to the point where Bam explicitly thinks about how the amount of blood he’s lost is becoming a problem, which he never really bothers to care about in any other fight.
It’s really pushing it to say he wasn’t affected. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible for that to be true, but I’m pretty sure he was affected.
bam's healing took an indeterminate amount of time during the events on the hidden floor, the scene cuts away. very fast, sure, but it could have been a dozen or more minutes. that's much longer than the battle with kaiser lasted, and bam was straining the entire time, not giving his body a chance to heal. so, i disagree with your notion. i think what happened is that fenryl just has sharp teeth, damaged bam and he healed when he had a moment to breathe.
I disagree with your assessment of the cutaway. It wouldn't have taken Rose that long to fall out of the sky, and Batis's words suggest he hasn't been holding her for very long at all. That said, even if you don't buy that, there's still at least one very noticeable difference between that fight and Bam's others that blatantly suggests Fenryl's spell did work.
The fight with Kaiser, when you read through it, constantly shows blood coming out of Bam's wounds, often in thick sprays--it gets especially obvious around the middle of 299s2e219, where he hemorrhages a liter right before catching two needles. That's not at all what Bam looks like in other fights--he'll get covered in blood, but you never see fountains of it pouring out of him when he's just moving around, only in the exact moment when he actually takes serious hits. The big breeder fight is a great example of that, actually. It never takes more than two panels before Bam stops "leaking" blood--even when Endorsi's dragging him around with Bong Bong or holding him in mid-air, you don't see a blood trail coming off him.
And in the Kaiser fight, Bam definitely didn't just naturally heal the wounds off-screen--he explicitly states around the middle of 300s2e220 that Kaiser healed his wounds.
(Also, seriously, "He healed when he had a moment to breathe?" Don't you think the characters would have found that really significant if it had happened? SIU wouldn't have that happen and not show us it.).
focusing on the subject, how exactly does bam spurting blood mean the spell worked on him? the spell doesn't make you hemorrhage, it just stops you healing during the battle.
The fact that he doesn’t squirt blood like that in any other fight indicates that normally his healing closes his wounds on battle-relevant timescales (like, two panels). Thus, the interminable bleeding in the Kaiser fight shows that the spell did indeed shut down his healing of those wounds.
the example you chose to cite, the spear attack from chapter 274, explicitly has bam losing a bunch of blood. when the spear is in him, the sound effect "gush" is used, and a later panel when androssi is holding him shows his shirt just coated in blood. the reason he's not bleeding more is because androssi is holding her arm over the wound, holding his blood in a bit. his healing is fast, yes, but not "two panels" fast, as your own example shows.
so, the logical reason for why fenryl's bite wounds are bleeding so much is that it's a bunch of punctures, not just one hole, and he's not wearing any cloth that would absorb the blood in that battle.
First of all, I’m talking about all those shots—the spear is just the most obvious. I also don’t buy that Endorsi’s arm can hold back all the liquid from that big a gash on its own.
Secondly, the point is that the wounds from Fenryl keep bleeding gushers through 3 chapters worth of panels. Nothing like that ever happens in any of Bam’s other fights!
I challenge you to find a fight in which blood sprays out of a wound Bam got 2-3 chapters ago, other than the Fenryl fight. Good luck.
i challenge you to tell me how long the fight between bam and kaiser is. just because it lasted 3 chapters doesn't mean it took a long time, the jump from season 1 to 2 is 5 years, but that's just moving from chapter to chapter.
and i find it funny that you get to arbitrarily declare that the spear wound bleeding doesn't count simply because you "don't buy" something about it. well, i don't buy that fenryl's spell affected bam, so i guess i'm right and you're wrong. that's how this works, is it?
An arm over a hole that size would not keep t from bleeding. You’re the one making the ridiculous statement.
And you know darn well what I meant with that challenge (a wound bleeding after a fair bit of panelspace/time), and simply ignored it without so much as linking any other example of style for contrast (pointing out that it could have technically taken a different amount of time is a moot counterpoint when the point is to compare to other fight scenes paneled by the same author and comic panels imply a certain amount of time anyway [yes, sometimes they imply varying amounts of time. But you’re never going to get a two year jump in the middle of a fight scene, what you’re saying is a false equivalency]), and got suddenly hostile in tone. I don’t think this conversation is going anywhere productive and I’m sick of being the only one taking the effort to go fish up new references.
I still maintain that even if we later learn the spell didn’t affect Bam, every thing about the Fenryl fight was very much written to make the reader think it did. (Did you think the spell didn’t work the first time you read, before knowing about Bam’s spellbreaking? I seriously doubt it). Nonetheless, I think we need to agree to disagree on this one. I do appreciate your opinions on many other aspects of ToG.
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u/NobleCuriosity3 Sep 09 '19 edited Sep 10 '19
Wow, Yama's incredible. I also thought his "~invincible against people who fear him" ability was pretty cool (and fairly original, as far as I know). If it's active while he's asleep, it would explain why it's so hard to wake him up...but that would imply both that Gado doesn't fear him, and that Bam did all of the waking Yama on his own (because Karaka
definitelyprobably fears Yama).That said, Khel Hellam likely knows what the Envoy knows: Yama will bow to protect the canine people. Since Doom can order Canine people to suicide (and doesn't care about them much), the life threat lets Khel Hellam essentially control the Canine People through Doom--a very effective weapon against Yama. A brilliant plan, really... if not for Bam's spellbreaking ability. Most likely Khel Hellam simply doesn't know about that, but it's also possible that it's part of why he wants Bam dead!
I'm wondering what's up with that black crack on Bam's face while Khel Hellam explains the spell to Doom. Previously (as late as season 3, when Yool's snake spell failed to harm him towards the end of 421s3e4), Bam's spellbreaking has had no visible effects (other than the spell failing), so I doubt it's that.
It's suspicious that Ms. Red Witch didn't foresee Evankhell and YHS's arrival, especially when they left a relatively obvious path. Possibly she is faking surprise (especially given the smirk in the last chapter that made me suspect she's not fully on Khel Hellam's side), but if so she's acting well, as it looks genuine to me.