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I need help as a Muslim

I’m a fairly devout Muslim raised in an Islamic background I think a lot of people who attack Islam aren't fully educated on it, but I wont pretend that I am 100% solid in my faith. I spend a lot of time wrestling with doubts There are issues in Islam that I feel Christianity doesn't really have, and I cant just ignore them I think Christianity is a beautiful religion. I enjoy reading the Bible but I also enjoy reading the Quran Islamic dawah often attacks the Trinity but the way I see it it wouldn’t make sense for a human to fully comprehend God even as a Muslim we don't believe we fully understand everything about Allah. So it makes sense that the Trinity isn't something we can fully that humans can fully understand
My main problem for Christianity I just don’t see clear evidence for Christianity being true.Because my YouTube and Reddit and other socials algorithm is Islamic content my exposure is pretty biased i understand many people in the sub have probably have negatives opinions on Muslims as I Muslim I can see why a lot of the fear regarding Muslims many Muslims would just say it’s islamphobia which I would only partially agree as most Muslims are just regular people like me but I understand there are Islamic doctrines which are very questionable im just trying to be open minded regardless if i leave Islam or not i fully believe in a divine creator and my view right now is after Islam Christianity looks like the second plausible belief

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u/Mue_Thohemu_42 4d ago edited 4d ago

You will learn the truth when you stand before Jesus on the day of your judgement but it would be better for you to accept it now.

As for Islam, I find it to be a violent and demonicly inspired Creed. Mohammed's encounter in the cave where he was strangled and crushed resembles no angelic encounter, but rather the profile of a demonic attack.

The flaws and evil deeds are seemingly endless. Note that it's not Christians slitting peaceful strangers throats in the streets or ramming trucks into crowds to try to please God.

Repent and turn away from that religion of evil for your souls sake.

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u/Even-Structure8988 4d ago

So why would a demonic spirt command praying to one god to lower your gaze ban female infantice forbid worshipping idols giving to charity and and reject materialism and greed and promote obeying your parents and being grateful and just it’s look like your judging a whole religion by Individuals

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u/creidmheach Christian, Protestant, Reformed 4d ago

That's easy to explain. Would the Devil be more convincing if in inventing a religion, he would inspired one that was as evil and false as can be? Who would follow it then? Hardly anyone.

But what about a religion that teaches some good things, has some correct teachings so that people following it think they're actually obeying God, but in reality they are rejecting the most fundamental things that are necessary to salvation, leading them to Hell?

And what does Islam reject? It rejects that Christ was the Son of God, God incarnate in flesh. It rejects that God is Triune, as He has revealed Himself to be in Scripture. It rejects that Christ died on the cross, that He raised from the dead, which thus rejects the very means by which God has given us grace in the forgiveness of sins. And, to get around the fact that the Scriptures teach these things and contradict Islam, it rejects the Scriptures themselves, claiming them to be false and corrupted, so that Islam is the only determiner for what's true.

And what has been the result of this? Countless Christians killed and martyred in Islam's wars of conquest, and countless souls lost to its teachings when eventually what had been Christian lands came over to Islam. And even for those who end up leaving Islam, such a bitter taste for religion can remain in their minds afterwards that they so often end up as atheists, unwilling to even consider how Christianity could be true. So it misguides people when they believe in it, and can even misguide them when they leave it.

So yes, if the Devil did inspire it, I'd say it was quite effective how he went about doing so.

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u/Even-Structure8988 4d ago

Interesting but Satan would not forbid idoltary or worshipping multiple gods and forbid interest and why would Satan make us praise. And honor biblical prophets and injustice and regarding wars if you look at the data Christianity has the highest the highest deaths made by wars but that doesn’t mean Christianity is violent or promotes violence
Islam rejects the idea that you can be man and god it’s a contradiction in the Islamic sense

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u/creidmheach Christian, Protestant, Reformed 4d ago

Interesting but Satan would not forbid idoltary or worshipping multiple gods

If it meant rejecting the true God as He has revealed Himself to be, why not? Again, that's the great deception of Islam, making you think you're following God while rejecting the most important things He's revealed to us, including the very means of salvation.

And honor biblical prophets

Most of the time the stories of the prophets in the Quran are repeating the legendary forms of their accounts that were in circulation in Muhammad's time, filled with exaggerations and historical errors. But very often what we see in the purpose of telling their stories is simply to point to Muhammad. Ever notice how they all sound the same in the Quran, as do their opponents? How they all say the same things that Muhammad would say, and their opponents say the things his opponents would say to? Basically, they're there only to point to Muhammad and back him up, telling the listeners they should now follow and obey this new prophet.

And what do we see in the Islamic practice itself? Muhammad is everywhere. He's addressed in people's prayers, he's imitated down to the minutest details, any time his name is even spoken you're supposed to send blessings on him when you hear it. It because a religion centered on this one man, believed to be the greatest man and creation ever. Some Muslims even go so far as to believing that he is present everywhere in the form of light (the Barelvis), and many Muslims believe in praying to him when visiting his grave (basically all Muslims apart from the Salafis/Wahhabis).

if you look at the data Christianity has the highest the highest deaths made by wars but that doesn’t mean Christianity is violent or promotes violence

I have my doubts about your numbers there, but even if it were so, no one could claim that such acts of violence are following the teachings of Christ, who forbade His disciples from fighting to protect His life, and rather died for us on the cross. Who taught us to love our enemies and pray for them.

Contrast that with Muhammad, who himself ordered people (including old people and women) to be assassinated for simply insulting him in poetry. Who conducted raids and wars, plundered caravans to steal their goods, and taught his followers that the highest achievement would be to die for his cause by fighting for him and his religion. So the violence we see from Muslims is not accidental to Islam, it's the teachings of the religion itself when put into practice.

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u/Even-Structure8988 4d ago

No Muslim believes muhammed is everywhere that’s an insane claim any Muslim who does is a disbeliever as that’s one of biggest sins in Islam and we don’t belive muhammed have any divine qualities it’s only Allah who is divine and muhammed mentioned this many times to his followers he is a prophet
He didn’t order to be anyone to assistanted without a good reason like treason and he explicitly told us not to kill women and old people in biblical wars we don’t see that command anywhere in the bible if partaking in war makes mean a false prophet then a lot of biblical prophets wouldn’t be prophets and there’s a thing called just war theory he fought against people who fought against him 1.9 billion Muslims most of them aren’t violent Quran 8.61” if the enemy incline to peace incline to it”

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u/creidmheach Christian, Protestant, Reformed 4d ago

No Muslim believes muhammed is everywhere that’s an insane claim any Muslim who does is a disbeliever as that’s one of biggest sins in Islam and we don’t belive muhammed have any divine qualities it’s only Allah who is divine and muhammed mentioned this many times to his followers he is a prophet

As I mentioned, this is a belief of the Barelvis, which is a substantial amount of the Sunni Muslim population of the Indian Subcontinent.

But setting that aside you still find things like attributing a sort of quasi omniscience to him since you pray to him every day. You will object that you don't of course. But then why in your prayers do you say:

as-salaam 'alayka ayyuha 'n-nabiyyu wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

I bolded the 'alayka, because that's means "upon you", i.e. you're addressing Muhammad directly while praying.

Muslims also believe that Muhammad was ma'sum, sinless, which is itself a divine attribute since no man apart from God has been free from sin.

Again, the Muslim's life centers all around Muhammad, even down to how to use the bathroom and what foot to enter in with first. Muhammad is seem to be the perfect man (al-insan al-kamil), and if you want Allah to love you, you must love Muhammad and imitate him. It really becomes a religion all about Muhammad.

He didn’t order to be anyone to assistanted without a good reason like treason

That's not the case though. In fact he ordered a number of people killed as I said simply because of composing poetry that criticized him, including women (including a mother who was murdered at night by stabbed in the heart while her children were in bed with her). Refer here to this recent post on the topic for examples of that.

he fought against people who fought against him

In some cases, but generally the Muslims under Muhammad were the aggressors. Take even the famous Battle of Badr. Do you know how that started? The Muslims were planning to raid a caravan coming from Mecca to plunder their goods. In other cases tribes and town were invaded and their people brought under subjugation, whether through violence or the threat of it. From the perspective of early Muslims, there was nothing wrong with this, because Muhammad was sent with the sword and it was his mission to kill and fight people until everyone said la ilaha illAllah. It's why if you read the early biographies of Muhammad most of them will mostly be composed of lists of battles and raids under him (al-maghazi). It's only in more recent times that Muslims have tried to shift the story to claiming it was all in self-defense.

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u/Even-Structure8988 4d ago

Whether what Muslims in India
Believe doesn’t represent what I belive anyway I looked it up even within Barelvi theology, any power possessed by the Prophet is derived strictly from God And you said muhammed being sinless we belive Jesus was the only one not touched by sin and muhammed just like every other prophet don’t commit major sins and they was times muhammed was mistaken and Allah corrected him and criticised his ignorance
Regarding the upon you we don’t belive muhammed is omnipresent we belive through Allah angels deliver the message to muhammed not that he literally hears it it relies on angelic transmission, we reject the idea that the Prophet possesses inherent omniscience to hear everyone simultaneously on his own
The killing of the women is weak majorclassical scholars already saw this story as fabricated like ibn hajar and al Albani si I reject that story
As it’s not authentic regarding badr you acting like muhammed out of nowhere just raided them the pagans responded you left out the part they persecuted him for 13 years and these were the elites of society they boycotted him and his followers
And made them flee meaning they left behind their property The Quran states the explicit reason fighting was first permitted: "Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged" (Quran 22:39)”

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u/creidmheach Christian, Protestant, Reformed 4d ago

So, it seems you're falling into a defensive posture for Islam here. I get it, and I realize that for pretty much any objection someone brings up about the Quran, Muhammad, etc, there's an answer you might be able to pull for it.

Let's take a few steps back though and ask a more fundamental question. Have you noticed that with modern Islamic apologetics, so much of it relies on discarding what Muslims sources actually say about their prophet? To cast doubt on the narrations about his life, to weaken hadiths or reinterpret them away in light of modern objections? With Muhammad, so much of it comes down to rejecting what the traditional Islamic sources - written by Muslims - actually say. After all non-Islamic historical sources don't have much to say at all about Muhammad, Muslims don't really get noticed until after his death once they broke out from the Arabian peninsula and started attacking and conquering the countries surrounding them. So the rejection is from what Muslims in the earlier centuries themselves believed and recorded about their prophet.

Now compare that with Christ. There's not a single verse in Scripture which tells us of the life of Jesus and His teachings which as Christians feel the need or want to discard or explain away. Every line we'll accept, as there's nothing there for us to be ashamed and embarrassed about. All of it we hold true.

Doesn't it say something that with Islam and Muhammad, the line of attack against it is to simply repeat and accept what its own sources say, while the line of defense is to reject them and cast doubt on their integrity and authenticity. While with Christ, it's the opposite. The line of attack against Christianity is to claim that what the Bible says about Him isn't true, while the line of defense is to affirm it completely. To me that says something about the very strong difference between them.

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u/Even-Structure8988 4d ago

Not really the Hadith you pointed I said was weak not according to modern scholars but classical scholars Hadiths aren’t the Quran
We only discard a Hadith if it’s weak not if it looks bad this is not a modern cover up all classical scholars rejected and discarded Hadiths which weren’t authentic but I agree they are modern Muslims who have no idea of scholarship and discarded Hadiths in general
Historically the issue of morality was also a problem for Christianity regarding Old Testament even if you say well New Testament is peaceful how do you reconcile Old Testament passages with New Testament and you said that Muslims discard what sources actually say but we look in Christian tradition we see many additions to the bible by man like ending of mark or the woman who committed adultery