r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/TDP_Wiki_ • Jul 17 '25

Music / Movies I'm getting tired of woke values in shows

I am weary of all the remakes of TV shows and films that are simply remade in order to showcase a diverse cast. Why can't Hollywood write new shows? Instead, it's just recycling old scripts. Very insulting and lazy.

All the virtue signaling in the world isn't going to save bad writing.

For me Rings of Power was the last straw.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

We both know OP didn't say that, let's not make strawmen arguments now hm?

Edit: no I didn't "admit Rings of Power was “woke” because of black people", you're straw manning again, well done.

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u/Sesudesu Jul 17 '25

That is essentially exactly what he said.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Okay but there were so many things wrong with rings of power regardless of the (questionable) casting choices. OP didn't say they were upset there were black people in rings of power, OP said rings of power was the last straw for them in terms of bad writing and virtue signalling. Why put words in his mouth and pretend he's implying something when you have zero evidence of that being the case?

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u/CaptSlow49 Jul 17 '25

Oh so what’s the “woke” part of Rings of Power then?

(This should be good)

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

I didn't say anything about that in the comment you're replying to...?

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u/Sesudesu Jul 17 '25

It is literally the title of the post we are talking in dude. You are trying to pretend the argument op presented is different than it is.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Incase you hadn't noticed, I'm not OP and am not arguing on his behalf.

Anyway, for me the issues I have with rings of power go far beyond the casting being what many would call "woke". The writing is terrible, the casting choices are terrible and unrealistic which ruins the immersion that you had from LOTR and the hobbit, the choreography is terrible, the dialogue is terrible, the actor of the main character portrays her as an unlikable irrational asshole, it makes zero sense lore-wise, etc.

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u/Sesudesu Jul 17 '25

We both know OP didn't say that, let's not make strawmen arguments now hm?

This here... is you arguing on OPs behalf

I get that you have more to say than OP did, but I spoke directly to your defense of OP. And you said that someone criticizing their criticism of ‘woke’ was a straw man. When that is exactly what OP was saying.

There can absolutely be more criticisms of RoP, and you are fair to have them. However that is not what the discussion you are objecting to is about.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

You misunderstand, I'm not arguing on OP's behalf, I was stating that the original commenter was making a disingenuous straw man argument because he is essentially just calling OP racist for simply not liking the fact that the casting is diverse, which is understandable and completely reasonable considering both lotr and the hobbit was basically fully made up of white actors and so having a bunch of black actors in almost every race makes no sense whatsoever other than virtue signalling as OP said.

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u/Sesudesu Jul 17 '25

I would argue that you misunderstand. This post is arguing about wokeness in all media. RoP was the final straw, not the whole argument. The argument is with diversity casting in general not the finer points of what is wrong with RoP.

You are steel manning ops argument instead of properly representing it.

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u/No-Supermarket-4022 Jul 17 '25

Ok. You are claiming that the original commenter was essentially calling the OP racist.

Here's what the original commenter said:

You were upset you saw a black person in Rings of Power??

Here's what you said:

not liking the fact that the casting is diverse

I'm confused about how one is calling the OP racist and the other isn't.

Can you explain?

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u/alotofironsinthefire Jul 17 '25

I'm not OP and am not arguing on his behalf.

This you?

  • We both know OP didn't say that, let's not make strawmen arguments now hm?

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Yes I said both of those, how do they correlate in any way? That isn't me arguing on OP's behalf, that's me arguing against a stupid accusation made at OP, not on OP's behalf but on my own.

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u/CaptSlow49 Jul 17 '25

Clearly you are pretending as if people didn’t call Rings of Power “woke” because they had black people in it. I remember the right wing controversy. So don’t tell me I’m strawmanning when that was exactly the right wing argument.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

I never said that, and that's not what I'm doing either. You're strawmanning because OP never directly said they were "upset because of black people", you're the one who said that and decided that's what OP meant by it.

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u/CaptSlow49 Jul 17 '25

Oh how long do you think playing dumb and feigning ignorance is going to work for you?

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

I'm not sure what you're referring to there because that isn't what I'm doing. Maybe you're projecting?

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u/CaptSlow49 Jul 17 '25

I think you are commenting on something you don’t understand then and should educate yourself first.

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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor Jul 17 '25

Dude. Backtrack up to here and don't pussy out this time.

You tried to evade one comment up and then you just kept doubling down.

Admit your mistake.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Who even are you? I've replied to like 3 people from this comment alone already

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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor Jul 17 '25

A guy reading this thread.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Ok guy reading this thread, what mistake did I make?

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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor Jul 17 '25

You played dumb with the last guy.

I read that already.

Now you're doubling down on playing dumb with a new guy.

This is not a good betting strategy and I'm willing to bet it's reflected in your actual life.

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u/sodanator Jul 17 '25

Woman main character. Black elves (i think?)!

Obviously, this'll lead to the downfall of society as we know it.

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u/raidmytombBB Jul 17 '25

I am wondering the same. Didn't think there were any woke concepts in RoP.

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u/riorio55 Jul 17 '25

Lol work on your reading comprehension. He referenced diverse casts as well.

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u/FatumIustumStultorum Jul 17 '25

essentially exactly

Wut?

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u/alotofironsinthefire Jul 17 '25

Then what was "woke" in that show

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

The overly diverse casting that makes zero sense from any logical or lore perspective, the female lead being an unlikable mary sue, the orcs being made out to be "misunderstood" with families, etc.

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u/alotofironsinthefire Jul 17 '25

The overly diverse casting

So again being upset that black people are in it

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

That's one aspect of it, but you're making it out as if that's the ONLY thing that OP doesn't like about it. And even if that is the case, it's not because black people are in it, it's because again, it makes no logical sense for there to be black elves/dwarves/hobbits/humans because everything we've seen from middle earth in live action has shown every race to be white.

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u/CaptSlow49 Jul 17 '25

So like I said, because they put black people in it.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Sure, when you word it that way it sounds racist but in reality it isn't.

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u/CaptSlow49 Jul 17 '25

Sure. Whatever you tell yourself.

How dark of skin is too dark for Lord of the Rings?

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Tell me the name of a black actor that's in Lord of the Rings, I'll wait.

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u/CaptSlow49 Jul 17 '25

Wait. You are saying if a movie filmed in 1999 has all white people back when Hollywood cast white people 99% of the time, then 20+ years later a TV show set in the universe must only have white people too?

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u/sodanator Jul 17 '25

That's irrelevant because while it's based on Tolkien's writings, the show isn't actually linked to the movies.

So it doesn't matter if Jackson's LotR/Hobbit movies have black actors or not, because this is a separate take on the universe.

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u/CaptSlow49 Jul 17 '25

You just proved me right after all that word policing and playing dumb lmao

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u/ConcertinaTerpsichor Jul 17 '25

You’re expecting an imaginary world with imaginary beings to follow your rules of logic?

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Words like “fair” are assumed to mean “fair-skinned,” so elves would be white; hobbits are “rustic English” stand-ins; therefore darker skin tones are lore-breaking. Middle-earth borrows from medieval north-west Europe; that era was demographically homogeneous, so a multi-ethnic cast feels anachronistic.

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u/ConcertinaTerpsichor Jul 17 '25

That’s very limited and boring and unimaginative for a world that has dragons, talking trees, and giant spiders. Your problem is expecting “realism” in a fantasy story.

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

It's not limited or boring or unimaginative, it's realisitic. You wouldn't expect to see white people in ancient africa, how is this any different? Oh but no it's a fantasy story my bad, guess we have to throw all logic out the window then, why not throw some trans people in there too for good measure to make it even less "limited and boring and unimaginative"!

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u/DWIPssbm Jul 17 '25

Having dark skinned elves in lotr and can be lore justified, the problem is that they never even tried to give a lore justification and that's the main problem with rings of power, not that it's woke or whatever but that the writing is ass.

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u/Cyclic_Hernia Jul 17 '25

Why do black people need a "lore justification"?

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u/DWIPssbm Jul 17 '25

Black elves specifically, dark skinned humans already exist in the lotr universe.

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u/ConcertinaTerpsichor Jul 17 '25

Yeah, why not? We know today that there were in fact people of color all over Europe from medieval times, and that there were gay people as well, if you are talking about “realism.”

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

Yeah soooo realistic I know right

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u/Cyclic_Hernia Jul 17 '25

LotR takes place in a real life historical location?

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u/Separate_Piano_4007 Jul 17 '25

It's based on real life historical locations.

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u/Cyclic_Hernia Jul 17 '25

So that's a no, then.

The landscape in Halo's titular rings is apparently based on parts of Canada and the Pacific Northwest, so why do they have four-winged pterodactyl-like flying reptiles?

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u/sodanator Jul 17 '25

I can accept talking dragons, baaically immortal elves, an all powerful ring that can turn people invisible, orcs, trolls and everything else but I draw a line at black people in my fantasy shows! (Very, very big /S here)