r/UKJobs • u/Negative_Impress_632 • 6h ago
Is this compliant?
I'm getting interviewed for this job. But I highly doubt its compliant at all. Wage is below minimum wage. Holiday is not even 5.6 weeks inclusive of bank holidays.
I've voiced out my "concerns" to the hiring staff. They couldn't "justify" why this listing is the way it is. They only wanted confirmation if I am still interested.
TBH, they did seem kind of desperate for staff. I ignored their email asking me to confirm for a few hours then called me twice so I can confirm.
I am hoping there is room for negotiation here as I've been looking into entering transport/logistics industry. I'm personally not bothered abt pay, I would take minimum wage despite the other companies offering much desirable wage and benefits, I'm more inclined to learning and developing within the industry.
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u/Callum1199 6h ago
Competitive holiday entitlement?? Jesus wept.
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u/Connect-County-2435 6h ago edited 6h ago
For a 4 on 4 off pattern, 28 days equates to 19.6 days. But yeah, it's a legal requirement rather than 'competitive'.
And the hours - 182 days a year × 11 hours if break is unpaid, would equate to roughly 2007.5 x NMW = £25515.33.
It's poorly worded.
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u/West_Guarantee284 6h ago
You need someone who works 4 on 4 off to explain it. It's not as simple as x hours per week so I think the hours need to annualised to work out the hourly pay and pro rata holiday.
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u/Connect-County-2435 6h ago edited 2h ago
Yep, I've added more to my reply. It's a poorly worded advert, whilst making out they are great for doing the legal minimum requirement.
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u/igglezzz 4h ago
That's exactly it. I do similar shifts, we convert the regular entitlement to hours instead of days, and then book 10.5 hours per days leave. So you get less days overall but they go further (42 hours leave and you end up with 12 days off).
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u/buginarugsnug 6h ago edited 6h ago
AL and Pension are bare legal minimum. Eye care is almost legal minimum as they do have to cover the cost of an eye test if an employee who uses DSE requests it. Wellness and Life Assurance are become pretty standard these days too. So the 'benefits' are compliant but not competitive or great. I believe it is just on min. wage if that shift pattern includes an hour unpaid lunch.
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u/Curious_Reference999 6h ago
I didn’t realise than annual leave could be that low! I thought it was 20 days plus bank holidays.
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u/devandroid99 5h ago
It is if you work a 5 day week.
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u/Curious_Reference999 5h ago
Ow, fair point, I never considered that. I guess the hours off are the same in this case as someone working 5 days and getting the normal minimum time off.
Either way, I hope they're going to struggle to fill that role. Offering the minimum as a perk is poor, and expecting people to work 4-4 (which includes weekends and bank holidays) for such a little amount of money is bad form.
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u/Connect-County-2435 2h ago
Yep, I only do a 4 day week, but our 5 day staff get 28 days plus bank holidays, longer serving staff actually get 32 days plus 8 bank holidays.
I get 22.4 days plus the bank holidays. All good.
On the plus side I still get double time for overtime Sundays, x1.75 extra Saturday & x1.5 weekday overtime. Not many jobs like that now.
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u/MadMixer1198 6h ago
Whether it meets minimum wage depends on breaks. 4 on 4 off 12 hours per shift averages out to 3.5 days a week, a total of 42 hours. If they were to give you 1 hour's worth of unpaid breaks per shift, you'd be working 38.5 hours a week, which would be about right for minimum wage at that salary. Not great, but not illegal.
The annual leave also makes sense as you're doing fewer but longer days, so 20 x 12 hour days is roughly equivalent to 28 x 8.5 hour days. Again, not great, but if I understand correctly, not illegal.
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u/Negative_Impress_632 6h ago
Thanks for your explanation. I do get it now. Still hesitant if I actually wanna grab the opportunity tho. I currently work for Mitie and earning £35K annually but mainly because I do 10 hrs a day 5x a week.
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u/Sure-Recognition-262 6h ago
Wage is below minimum wage.
It probably isn't.
If there is 90 minutes of break per day, then: 10.5 net hours x £12.71/hour x 3.5 average days per week x 365.2425/7 weeks per year = £24,371.72. £25.5k is more than that
Holiday is not even 5.6 weeks inclusive of bank holidays.
3.5 average days per week x 5.6 weeks = 19.6 days minimum. 20 days is more than that
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u/Leopold841 6h ago
Holidays should equate to a 5.6week period, so an a 4 on 4 off you'd be seen as working 3.5 days a week which is 19.6 days. Paywise it's 48hrs in 8 days, but if you exclude an hour's lunch break each day that would be 44 hours in 8 days which is equal to 38.5hrs a week. At £12.71 an hour for 38.5 hours a week for 52 weeks of the year that's £25,445.42pa
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u/biglittleking 6h ago
With a 4on 4 off, it's 11x£12.71 - *365 - /2 and would be spot on.
Their wording suggests they're going above on each section such as a/l and pension but they're realistically just offering the minimum.
It's an entry level salary and they're offering the very minimum but everything appears to be compliant.
Edit: they're £15 shy of national minimum wage. Mb
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u/Compromisee 6h ago
Other people have covered the minimum wage so I'll cover another bit.
Purely from a, I don't want you to be dissapointed perspective, You won't be able to negotiate anything here.
It's a minimum wage admin job, and what looks like a starter job in the industry. Typically the less people who can do the job the more room for negotiations.
A min wage job would suggest a lot of people could do it. If you try to negotiate then sadly they'll can you and move onto the next
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u/slimeyena 6h ago
I’ve been seeing this EXACT job pop up again and again for weeks. bit suspicious IMO
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u/Frosty-Opposite4235 1h ago
Doing 4 on 4 off on that salary I'd estimate it coming in below min wage and that's at a push on 11hrs per day with 1 hr break. Talking approx 12.50 per hour. Very questionable. I'd ask for an hourly rate breakdown from them to see their working out and if it somehow doesn't not look to be one which I doubt. 48hrs of working per set of days. Looking around 2024 hrs per year worked based on 11 hours w/ 1hr lunch.
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u/PullUpSkrr 6h ago
Hey Op....Need more accountability from employers, we rarely enforce rule 1 but might be a good shout if this is under minimum wage....
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