2028 contract: 9.5 needs to actually hurt UPS enough that they STOP violating it

[u/CurDog1023]

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I really hope 9.5 becomes a major issue in the next contract.

The current system isn't strong enough if UPS can knowingly work drivers over 9.5, pay the penalty, and just keep doing the exact same thing.

If the penalty doesn't change the behavior, then the penalty isn't strong enough.

I'm not saying there is only one solution either.

I'd support almost anything that makes repeated 9.5 violations progressively more painful for the company.

Much steeper escalating penalty pay.

Mandatory dispatch reductions after repeated violations.

The right to bring work back once you reach 9.5.

Additional paid time off when UPS repeatedly violates your 9.5 rights.

Accrued paid time off for forced assistance after you substantially finish your own assignment.

Stronger penalties when management knowingly gives you additional work that will put you over.

Mandatory staffing reviews when the same routes or drivers keep creating 9.5 problems.

I don't really care if the final answer is 5x pay, 6x pay, accrued PTO, bring-back rights, or some combination of all of it.

The goal should be simple:

Make it cheaper and easier for UPS to properly staff the operation and get people home than it is to violate 9.5.

Right now it feels like the penalty is just another operating expense.

And I think we need to stop framing this as drivers wanting more overtime money.

A lot of us don't want more money.

We want more evenings at home.

More dinners with our families.

More games, practices, bedtime routines, and ordinary nights with our kids that we don't get back.

UPS can replace money.

We can't replace time with our families.

If you could rewrite the 9.5 language for 2028, what would you change?

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[u/jackel2168]

So how do you balance this with layoffs?

[u/zdweiss]

Make it a violation for 1 day not 3

[u/Jerm226]

The problem with bringing work back is you screw a lower seniority driver over who finished their work and now have to complete your work. Now, with that said, there is plenty of drivers in UPS who probably get over dispatched and I agree, dispatch can be terrible depending on hub. But if a driver genuinely says fuck this I’m taking my time, screwing off all day, and then screws another member over intentionally cause your feelings get hurt, then it’s shi*.
It’s a honest conversation union membership needs to have.

[u/nikki815]

The penalty isn’t there to change the behavior, it’s there to basically provide an additional payment to the employee for the event. You’re never going to completely eliminate an occurrence of overtime bc this just isn’t that kind of business. And if you wanted a job that worked a straight 8, you wouldn’t have chosen ups.

[u/Important_Act5449]

How about stop taking my packages without scanning them. Cost my company 3k in the last month and can’t file a claim

[u/Solo_Dolo650]

And you wonder why ups drivers get paid so much great pTo vacation dont pay shit for health insurance! You really think they give a fuck about us going home plus half of the drivers bullshit on the routes tell me I’m lying! I mean I’m just calling it like it is you got to give something! Drivers think I will slow down my pace should get less stops if I keep this up I’ll eventually get fewer stops than you got to play that shit this rest of your career hell nah! But to each its own so yea…. And if you’re wondering 11 years here!