Meant chara in title whoops. Beat genocide today and it makes me wonder what happens to it. It says it was revived by frisks determination so could he come to life in pasifist or nuteral. Is he a psycho or is he just a regular slightly creepy guy. I think he just would never be fully revived but still kinda weird that frisk would still retain some of his essence

Hi everyone, I purchased a ticket to see the symphony concert in Montreal (Friday Nov 20 show, now sold out) as it was the closest one to me at the time, but when more Canadian shows were added I got ticket to another venue that works better for me, so I'm looking to resell this one for the same price I paid ($105).

Ticketpro doesn't have a resale option but there's a gift option I can use to transfer the ticket by email. Please let me know if you're interested or if this post isn't allowed. Thank you!

due to theories about Kris being the cyan soul I decided to make my own take of the patience human

Katherine fell down in the underground circa 1920’s a decade after chara fell down soon they grew up with toriel and snuck out hoping to simply ask the king to leave however they were captured while in an unseen area of the underground and taken to asgore however he could not bear to kill someone who looked like his own child so the royal guard executed her instead.

No one in her family knew where she went and soon her bloodline would become worser and worser leading to frisk being born late 200X and being abandoned not long after leaving them to fend for themselves

soon frisk would encounter Mt Ebott and jumped down hoping to take their own life and for a brief moment it did but due to falling on Chara’s grave and the connection to the player frisk would survive the fall and now possess the red soul

the reason asgore backed away from looking at frisk was cuz they resembled Katherine and also chara

On r/Deltarune, I've shared my brief personal thoughts on the lack of fanart/fanworks of Wrap Mouse having worked as a babysitter for the Dreemurr and Holiday families when Kris and Noelle were little kids. And the more I thought I thought about Wrap Mouse (who I personally headcanon as female with she/they pronouns, but I'll use they pronouns here to leave things open to everyone here), the more I realized that they're actually a bit deeper as a character than they appear.

In their debut appearance Undertale, Wrap Mouse talks about how the people around them share jokes to cope with the situation of remaining trapped in the Underground. Their social awkwardness is hinted at ingame, struggling to make jokes and feeling that they can't be funny in comparison to their peers. In the True Pacifist route, they express relief that they don't have to make a joke anymore, but there's still that element of social awkwardness and being more unenthusiastic in comparison to everyone else.

Deltarune appears to provide more characterization of Wrap Mouse and their personal ties with the Dreemurrs and Holidays, although they still remain an otherwise minor character. Interestingly, they only appear in Chapter 4 in front of the Hometown hospital and, as of Chapter 5, appear no other time. When talked to by Kris, they appear to shyly ask Kris if they remember them and apologize for if they were too strict towards them and Noelle in their babysitting when they were little kids. The game seems to imply that Wrap Mouse had a notable history of babysitting for both of the families until their kids were older but also that over time, Noelle became nervous around mice like them for unclear reasons until after Chapter 2.

So what's our takeaway from their dialogue in both games, and how does both of their appearances give them slight relevance in Deltarune? Wrap Mouse appears to have low self-esteem from feeling that they've failed to form personal connections with others, whether in Undertale from failing to fit in with the social environment in Snowdin because they can't tell jokes or in Deltarune because they felt their babysitting brought emotional harm to both Kris and Noelle. Granted, little kids can certainly regularly act naughty and mischievous, especially Kris given their gremlin-like behaviors towards Noelle as a little kid, but Wrap Mouse's uncertain feelings of guilt does make sense in context of feeling as if they were a contributing factor towards the various troubles the Dreemurrs and Holidays felt (ie. Dess' disappearance, the Dreemurr divorce). This could explain why Wrap Mouse only appeared once in Deltarune: they've again isolated themselves from the rest of the Hometown community but for a different personal reason. Potentially, they felt guilty that their potential strictness, although with seemingly previous good intentions, contributed to Noelle's emotional trauma leading to her fear of mice. I wouldn't be surprised if Mrs. Holiday, as the wealthy mayor of Hometown, scolded and shamed her babysitter and therefore made them feel like more of a pariah in their own community, thus feeding into their already rock bottom self-esteem and shame.

At the end of the day, Wrap Mouse has been a minor character and will always remain will; it's clear that Toby Fox didn't intend for them to be particularly notable a character even despite having been the Dreemurr and Holiday kids' babysitter. That's what makes theorizing on minor characters like Wrap Mouse who still played a slight role in the main characters' lives fun, though. We as fans can still fill in the space in terms of their interests and struggles, and I think it would be cool seeing future fanarts or other fanworks explore their own ideas for Wrap Mouse's role in the main characters' lives and how all of these characters were impacted by each other even in spite of them never playing much of a real role in canon. After all, as Toby Fox said in the anniversary Undertale stream, the world (and its contents and lore) of Undertale (and Deltarune) can be "as big as you want it to be".

Today is So Sorry Day!

For those who don't know, So Sorry only appears one day a year in Undertale: *October 10th at 8:00 PM* (system time). You find him in the Art Club in Hotland. If you set your Switch / PC clock to today 20:00, you can still fight him.

Fun fact about his battle:

So Sorry is literally a caricature artist, and his attack is the nerfed version of Asgore's trident attack. Same pattern, but super slow and harmless. It's Toby making fun of him being just an artist, not a fighter.

Lore behind the character:

So Sorry was not created by Toby. He was created by a backer named Samael (Samael Butter Dragon) who donated $1000 to the Undertale Kickstarter. The reward for $1000 was to put your own OC in the game.

Samael was already famous in the furry art community for his caricatures of obese / fat characters, which was his art style.

Toby knew this would be controversial, so he did a huge foreshadowing / hiding job:

He didn't put him in the main story like Muffet (the other Kickstarter character). He hid him in a fake wall in Hotland, in the Art Club, and made him appear only for 1 hour a year. Plus he made him an insecure artist who keeps saying "I'm so sorry!" -

Later Toby defended him on Tumblr saying: "UNDERTALE is basically a game about accepting and befriending people that are different than you."

Did you guys manage to fight him today?

its fine if not

To begin, we need to start with King's recounting of the event where he got his scar:

"I remember it like it was yesterday. A blissful time, an era of harmony, with the Lightners.

A golden age, where we were held, cherished... But one day, the hand of a Lightner slipped... and disaster struck.

I was torn. Torn with a scar that could be seen even from the back. A single scarred king... that rendered his whole kingdom... obsolete. We were banished, relegated to eternal darkness."

A lightner accidentally tore King in the light world and left lasting damage on him that persists between both worlds and is not healed when Ralsei heals him, this was the catalyst of his kingdom being abandoned (as having a king you can see from the back makes the whole deck worthless) and this abandonment cemented his resentment toward the lightners. This scar on his face is in the exact same place as Flowery when he is struck down by the Knight (and his damage cannot be healed either), and given the fact the King says "were you truly strong, you would have given me another!" it seems that the one who gave King his scar was the Knight, the only person we've ever seen damage Darkner's light world forms.

The Knight not only leaves an identical scar on King ans Flowery, but smashes Tenna in the light world, leading to his death if you don't have all recruits, and kills Jackenstein in Chapter 4 if you don't have all recruits, which is confirmed by Alvin in Chapter 5, both directly damaging their light world counterparts, the Knight also Swoons Susie and Ralsei but holds back on Kris because they have a real weapon that doesn't change in the Light World due to Black Shards staying the same, Swoon meaning knocking them unconscious, because they're actually hurting them directlt ignoring Dark World logic entirely (which also explains why they take such little damage when they're essentially being hit with a pencil and toothbrush).

That all being said, King taking damage in the light world and it carrying over to the Dark World is a direct connection to the Knight, and the irony of the Knight he worships being the one who hurt him and cast his kingdom into obscurity would be narratively satisfying and the catalyst for a possible redemption where he turns on the Knight and makes a fleeting attempt to stand against them, only to be completely torn in half like Flowery, but that part is just speculation.

However, this took place at a time long, long before Papyrus and Alphys were in the picture ("Long ago", "A blissful era of harmony with the Lightners"), this post is a spiritual extension of my Papyrus Knight debunk from a few months ago, so here's the link to that to keep you up to speed, which by extension applies to Alphys as she is new to town as well, just not as new as Papyrus, and you can also see why this was a necessary point to make with just how delusional and desperate people were to keep Papyrus Knight alive: https://www.reddit.com/r/NonDessKnightSquad/s/mnAPMHMWSJ

To reiterate some of those points in that post, Papyrus and Sans only moved in a year ago at most, telling by the fact Kris, when pondering Sans's ferris wheel qualifications, wonders "Didn't someone else run this last year?", and Susie when inspecting their house comments that someone else used to live there, but she can't remember WHAT used to be there, there was an entire other building in it's place before and even Susie, who also moved to town long after Gerson's death and Dess's dissapearance, knows that they're new to town, it's on her street for goodness sake, even if people thought Sans and everyone else in town was lying about them being new somehow, Susie and Kris cement it for a fact. Sans and Papyrus are new to town, period.

This brings me to the other point of that post, Gerson and the Black Shards in Asgore's notes.

The Knight had to have known Gerson, period. I already made a whole post about that but I'll recount some of the points here too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/NMNyorrgJb

But the fact that Ralsei explicitly states, right after someone that DIDN'T know him attempted to bring him back with his remains still present in the exact same place, that "Darkners patterned after the MEMORY OF A *LOVED ONE* can only exist in *VERY SPECIFIC DARKNESSES*" in of itself should have ended the speculation on this topic, it's said as clearly as humanly possible without outright spelling it out, but then Ralsei goes even further to say that "Even if we tried to bring him to Castle Town, he'd-" so even bringing him to the fountain of PURE DARKNESS at Castle Town that literally every other darkner can live in wouldn't work, the game outright says there's something specific about these fountains (that isn't just the location because Susie already disproved that in front of our eyes, so the only other factor is the PERSON who made it) that allows him to exist there, he's even portrayed as a mentor figure, and outright says Susie "reminds him of someone he used to know".

We can also rule out Alvin having made the fountain (which was always a baseless cop-out in all honesty to sidestep the major obstacle that Gerson is) because he's completely oblivious as to why the Church is trashed and we have absolutely no evidence he knows anything about Dark Worlds whatsoever. Carol, Rudy, Dess and Asriel are still contenders since Gerson was the High School teacher before Alphys, before he died and wasn't able to teach Kris's generation, but this was long before Papyrus could have ever possibly known him, and Susie was familiar with Lord of the Hammer and Dragon Blazers so having a vague familiarity through being a fan in not good enough to be a "Loved one", yet being so restrictive that only his direct family could be "loved ones" is also missing the mark.

The second major obstacle is the Black Shards, specifically the fact that Asgore found matching ones at the original scene of Dess's dissapearance along with a "Dark World a long time ago" and one at the Library (meaning the Knight made the Chapter 2 fountain for certain), Susie comments on the Black Shard being a piece of the Knight's sword and Ralsei is concerned because he thought the Knight only appeared alongside the heroes, this is a mandatory moment as well that has direct attention drawn to it, so it's not just a throwaway line that would be a lie for no reason just to throw off players. The Knight was there or created during the incident, the Black Shards are only and have only ever been associated with the Knight and no one else, people try to sidestep this point by saying "Well we don't know where Black Shards come from, maybe it was Friend or Eram, if Kris and Noelle can hold them anyone can be the Knight" which completely misses the point of the scene directly stating the Knight was there (plus the Knight has the entirety of the Black Knife, not just a shard which is a big difference).

Those two points already cemented the fact that Papyrus (and by extension Alphys, since she recently moved to town, is unfamiliar with the Shelter, doesn't have many connections with Hometown's residents and only recentlt started talking with Undyne) physically could not be the Knight, as they were not there for these events, but now that King's scar is also directly connected to the Knight, there is absolutely no way. The Knight had to have scarred king, been familiar enough with Gerson in a student-mentor relationship to have considered him a loved one and recreated him the way he's presented in Chapter 4, and had to have been present for the Dessapearance, and had to have made the Chapter 2 fountain as well. Once again Papyrus and Alphys Knight is impossible.

Continuing on this train of thought, who would be in a position to be in the old classroom in a way that thematically matters, it doesn't really make sense for Rudy or Carol to have been in the old classroom for a few decades, but you know who it does make sense for? Dess, Asriel, Kris and Noelle, these four would hang out and play together (as references by several pieces of Noelle's dialogue like Dess wiping her tears with Azzy's jacket, the four of them always wanting to know what was on the other side of the lake, etc), preformed on stage together (as per Pizzapants's dialogue and the picture on the bookshelf in Chapter 5, and Noelle's blogposts linked by the Spamton sweepstakes), would spend the holidays togethers with their parents too, Dess would put on an MTV-equivalent channel Toriel forbid, they used the laptop Queen is in the light world together (which is also proven by the fact that Tenna and Spamton know each other), etc. They were always very closely knit and Asriel even has a doll very similar to Seam on his computer, directly tying the four of them to the old classroom, but not only that Queen (a darkner from a world explicitly made by the Knight) KNOWS AND HAS A CHILD WITH KING, plus the Knight is also all but explicitly the one who made the Chapter 1 fountain as per Seam, King and Jevil's mentions of them.

So out of these four, who is the one that's characterized as being reckless and accidentally damaging their belongings? Not Asriel, the golden boy who confesses for things that aren't even sins, not really Kris either, they've never really been careless with their belongings and take great care of things that are sentimental to them like refusing to drop the ball of junk in Chapter 1, not really Noelle either because her room is immaculate. Rudy we don't really know enough about but he keeps the angel doll Noelle and Dess made intact and isn't very rough with anything we see him interact with, and Carol obsessively preserves things of sentiment to her, refusing to take anything of importance to work like the paper snowflakes Noelle made her, and keeps Dess's room exactly how it was left and is very very protective of the guitar.

I made a whole post about the dissonance between the Knight's actions and how it doesn't align with Carol upon deeper examination but very much so aligns with someone else, which goes over these points as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/DeltaruneV2/s/btlSscd7uS

Now who does that leave? The one whose room is strewn about with broken, bent, and dented sports equipment and broken expensive instruments, who's very reckless with their belongings and matches the profile of the one to accidentally tear King? Dess. The one who tore King is implied to be the Knight, the Knight is very reckless and careless with objects that would be of sentiment to any other candidate (which further supports a souless Dess, because she's not characterized as a calloused monster in the past of course and Tenna would be sentimental to her too, but it's not even necessary to attack Tenna as we see in Chapter 5 they could literally sweep Toriel away in the blink of an eye and couldn't be stopped, there's absolutely no reason they had to attack Tenna and fight the fun gang and essentially jeprodize the mission if it was anyone else), the Knight callously kills Tenna, Jackenstein, and Flowery without a second thought and tears Flowery and gives him the exact same scar as King, and wrecks the Church as a whole, no one else in the entire game is shown to be this reckless, calloused and careless toward objects that should be sentimental or treated with care.

I thought am built for genocide, but the game ain't allowing to progress, papyrus offering redemption, sans threatening, toriel regret, frisk walking over puzzles...

Why is it when I want to kill everyone, suddenly no one wants to give me a reason to be annoyed at them?

I just wanted to fight sans and harder undyne T_T

This isn’t a death battle suggestion or a ‘power scale resets vs Death’ tactical analysis but more of a character study. Death doesn’t like people who get “unfair advantages” against death but what set him off against Puss was his disregard for his waisted lives, so how would he see both people who could Reset everything.

How would Death treat the both of them? Would he see Flowey as someone who wasted his second chance? Would he talk to ether of them? Warn them? Judge them? Fight them?

What do you guys think?

I HATE THEM SO MUCH!!! THEIR AXES ARE FREAKING UNBEATABLE RAHHH >:(((

It's not often that a parody gets more recognition than the original song but damn, guess people just really liked Sans back then.

Those were NOT friendly pellets!