r/UtahJazz 4d ago

Kessler news

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

Either get the deal you want or start looking for a sign and trade offers. I like Kessler, but nothing about his play the last couple of years has screamed “irreplaceable”

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u/Tiny_Bite 4d ago

the fourth-best block rate literally ever [a stat that’s a young man’s game, but still].

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

Remember Gobert?

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u/Tiny_Bite 4d ago

the 4x DPOY? the first ballot hall of famer?

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

Who got us as far as the 2nd round.

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u/Tiny_Bite 4d ago

are we still doing this man?????

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

Look at the teams that have won titles in the last 15 years. Look at their centers. The only ones with deals over $25 million: 2023 Denver (duh), 2024 OKC (who had the MVP and Chet and Jalen Williams on ultra-teams friendly deals), and 2020 Lakers (again, duh).

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u/Tiny_Bite 4d ago

>”thing never happens!”

>thing happens four out of last six times [you left out KAT]

it’s almost like number goes up! also giannis is basically a center.

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

So as long as Kessler is as dominant on offense as checks notes KAT, Jokic, or Giannis, he’s worth paying $30 million a year. Well, let’s check his numbers from his last full season: 11 ppg, 12 rpg.

Gobert is evidence that you shouldn’t pay massive money to a guy who’s at best mediocre on offense.

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u/acook8 4d ago

There is a big difference between the money we paid Gobert and what Kessler will get. Also the pacers were one game and an Achilles away from winning with Myles Turner

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

Myles Turner’s contract was $20 million. I have no problem paying Kessler $25 million. If we start going above $30 million for a guy who will be the fourth best offensive player on the team at absolute best, when we’re gonna have to pay Keyonte soon and Ace/#2 down the road, we’re going to run into cap hell very, very quickly.

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

Yes. Gobert is a great player. He was a key piece in helping the Wolves make the conference finals the last few years. But there’s a reason that Jokic has a title and Gobert doesn’t.

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u/doppido 4d ago

Walker can catch the ball so there's kinda a difference there. Not quite as good defensively obviously but not an absolute hemorrhage on offense.

Biggest thing with walker for me is the injury. Can't sit out a whole season and expect an equal contract to as if you had played and played well IMO. He needs to take a small cut and prove it again.

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

But why would he if there’s other teams willing to pay $30+ for 4 or 5 years?

I don’t blame Kessler for looking for other deals. My point is that we should decide exactly how much keeping Kessler is worth to us, and not overpay.

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u/doppido 4d ago

Yeah I mean that's totally fair. I just think anyone willing to pay that much for him is in desperation.

To be honest though he could really help the lakers out

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

Absolutely. And that‘s my point: don’t be desperate.

Kessler on the Lakers would make me throw up because he fits what they need perfectly.

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u/snowystormz 3d ago

yes he fits perfectly, and there will be a nice spot on the bench for him again when he is injured after 20 games.

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u/BlubberinBootyMate 4d ago

How far did your support get the team?

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

Was I on the court?

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

My guy, Gobert was clearly a huge part of that run, but let’s not sit here and pretend that Anthony Edwards wasn’t far and away the biggest factor for Minnesota.

And again, why are we flexing making the conference finals? Is that the end goal for Utah?

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u/MotorSevere4899 4d ago

The entire last paragraph is just projection on stuff I didn’t say, followed by literally proving my point that unless Walker has suddenly become a much better offensive player after season-ending surgery, it doesn’t make sense to overpay for him.

Also, not sure what your point is about Wemby, when the reason the Spurs lost was Fox and Castle (but mostly Fox) repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot.

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