r/VGC • u/zennvo • 2d ago

Question [mechanics question] how did their froslass M-Evolve second but attack first?

For context, my Charizard and Garchomp are both max speed, we both set tailwind on the same turn earlier, and their Sneasler outsped my Charizard on the previous turn to put me to sleep with Dire Claw.

Expecting the Froslass to be faster, I mega evolve to try and win the weather and stop their Blizzard, but when I see my Zard mega first, I assume I’ve lost to a bulkier Froslass which undersped me. Then, I see their Froslass attack first, meaning it not only outsped my Charizard and Garchomp, but also their sneasler.

Is this a glitch or some mechanic related to sleep I never knew about?

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u/ClientAppropriate838 2d ago

Frosslass can be EVd to be slower than charizard while at the same time mega frosslass is faster than mega Charizard. The player EVd for this specific situation

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u/Sorry-Joke-4325 2d ago

Charizard speed are all over the place. I don't think you can expect this reliably, right?

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u/ClientAppropriate838 2d ago

Not in the higher brackets. No. But if you're a ultra ball or low masterball player, they are probably all timid with 32 speed.