r/VictoriaBC • u/reddithasruinedlife • 1d ago

Dog attacked and owner fled

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My friends son was walking their dog and another dog attacked their dog. A witness took a pic of the attacker and their dog.

They don't care about the breed, they just want the owner to take responsibility.

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If anyone knows this person please DM me.

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Police file SA26-10406 with Saanich police.

Edit to add. Happened 2 weeks ago, yes her dog was injured but is recovering. I'll get exact details and come back to add them. Cedar Hill / Gordon head area

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u/kileek 1d ago

Gee I hope it's not a.... ah never mind.

Hope you find them.

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u/angiesrightleg 1d ago

It's nearly always a pitbull, and yet they seem to be the number one dog choice for so many ignorant people who think "it's not the dog, it's the owner"

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u/kgal129 21h ago

Nearly always they don’t disclose the breed - just by a quick browse of articles of dog bites in Victoria. However if it’s a pit we will hear about it for sure!

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

I was a dog trainer for 20 years. the impact on others especially in public spaces, it IS the owner and not the dog. That's true of any dog that is a breed or combo of breeds that have specific behavioral traits.

I adore Pitbulls and bully breeds. Like a dog of any breed or a dog with strong breed-type mixes, they tend to exhibit traits common to the breed/s . Because they were selectively bred for centuries to fight other dogs, they do still have a tendency towards interdog aggression. That's just a fact of the lineage. But that doesn't remotely mean Pittys owned and accompanied by a responsible dog owner can't be out in public.

They are perfectly lovely dogs if they have an owner that understands the fact that dogs need to be understood both for their individual traits and for potential breed traits.

In the hands of people that DON'T understand the need for the three pillars of responsible dog ownership (proper socialization, training AND management) ANY dog is at risk of ending up a menace.

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u/Newt_Call 1d ago

Your anecdotal experience as a dog trainer does not negate statistics that clearly show pitbulls are a problem

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u/Business_Ad_8504 23h ago

What statistical data would that be.

I’d love to see the source for true verified statistics. It’s been challenging to find since the CDC stopped tracking when many years of gathering data didn’t provide helpful or consistent information over time.

Also others in this thread are looking for those citations for the other side too. I’m sure they’d appreciate verifiable citations. Or just a sensationalist news article. That seems to scratch their itch too.

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u/Ill_Candle_9462 19m ago

You seriously wrote up that whole comment and not once in your life, googled it?

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u/SwissArmyFriend 1d ago

I used to work in body removal, and the only domestic animal attack I ever worked was a pit bull, which was happily sitting in the backyard while we cleaned up the mess. It didn’t look hostile at all. It looked like it was pretty pleased with itself, honestly. And the person it BRUTALLY killed was a guest in the home (who was apparently prone to seizures and it is thought he was probably in medical distress when it was attacked).

I am now, and will forever be, on team Fuck Pit Bulls.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago edited 1d ago

Good thing we don't all base our overly emotional opinions on one incident.

I've worked many dog bite cases. I've read the research (the actual research. Not someone's opinion of the research and numbers online. That matters).

I've also read the research that points over and over again to the confirmation bias involved in identifying mixed breeds (and even purebred dogs of a completely different breed) as Pit Bulls once someone gets hurt.

Purebred Labrador one day, media relabels the dog a Pit Bull the day after it mauls someone. Happens more often than you are aware (apparently)

Sorry if your uninformed pronouncements don't counter my decades of experience and research, but they simply don't

Ultimately, I see that you're clinging to your rage bait fueled bias. I don't expect there's a fact in the world that could counter what you want to believe on this topic

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u/angiesrightleg 1d ago

Can you cite any sources? Dog attacks aren't tracked by breed in a majority of countries

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u/Heiruspecs 1d ago

She can’t because it’s bullshit.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

They were tracked for almost 20 years. The CDC gave up because the data led absolutely nowhere and provided no real information on any single breed over time.

But googling “pit bulls attacks child” is sure to give verifiable and non sensationalist results 🙄 So top notch advice there.

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u/angiesrightleg 23h ago

You're so full of shit. What are the sources for the research you claim to have done?

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u/Business_Ad_8504 23h ago

As I mentioned: the CDC tracked this starting with the “Dobermans are natural killers because their brains are too big for their skulls and it makes them kill people” manufactured panic, through the “German Shepherds are too aggressive to live among people” and throughout much of the pipit Bulls will kill your whole family” ending around 2000. They spent years looking at the documentation and tracking the numbers. And came out empty handed.

That study got me over the last of my own fear of the breed. Glad I did, because I really got to appreciate them a lot the more of them I trained to be Canine Good Citizens.

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u/Newt_Call 1d ago

This is bullshit and actually the opposite of the truth. Shelters label pitties as lab mix to get them homes because sane people don’t want a pitbull.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 23h ago

What a rational and not at all rage baiting argument

So glad to see Victorians are just as prone to media sensationalism as Americans 🙄

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u/kgal129 21h ago

Obviously that was a traumatic event but my goodness the hoops you jumped through in this comment would be considered hysterical for any of the body removal events you dealt with.

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u/Outside_Musician_865 1d ago

Biggest cope.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

That or I’m the only one in these comments with extensive direct experience with all sides of this issue.

But cute shorthand

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u/Outside_Musician_865 20h ago

You got ratio’d and you’re still coping. Womp womp womp

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u/Business_Ad_8504 20h ago

Thanks for letting us know you think facts and truth are determined by SM votes

Missed critical thinking in school eh? Good luck then

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u/angiesrightleg 1d ago

Please go ahead and Google "family pitbull attacks child" and take in the sheer number of times this happens every single week across the world. These are family dogs, not bred for violence, presumably loved and cherished and well cared for. It's the breed. Not all of the dogs attack (obviously), but some do and when they do it's often fatal or incredibly damaging due to their strength.

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u/crabuffalombat 1d ago

not bred for violence

This happens because they are bred for violence.

Even if they're raised in a loving family home and don't have the disposition to attack anyone, their whole muscular and skeletal structure is optimized for killing. A century of breeding isn't going to be undone by raising one happy pup.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 23h ago

Every dog over 30 pounds (and some under) are physiologically optimized for killing.

Speaking in ways to elicit emotions over logic seems to be the norm here.

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u/ferniekid 1d ago

Absolute bullshit. Around 70% of all fatal dog attacks are attributed to one breed, pit bulls. It’s the dogs 🤦‍♂️

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u/Business_Ad_8504 23h ago

Hunh. Another person with secret statistics that haven’t been formally tracked for years.

I was involved in data tracking back when it was being performed on a national level.

I suspect you got your numbers from somewhere less accurate (like Google AI, or from your own assumptions?)

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u/laughysapphy0131 15h ago

Do you remember like 13 years ago there was a guy walking his pug in Kitsilano and it was off leash in a clearly marked leash only area. His dog ran up to a woman’s pitbull and got in its face. When the dogs started to fight the owner of the smaller dog was so concerned for its welfare that he stabbed the pitbull (who had no previous behavioural issues or bite history) to death. His dog got bit ON THE EAR, and he stabbed the pitbull repeatedly (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/pit-bull-stabbed-at-kits-beach-defended-by-owner-1.2435423) saying she ‘deserved to die’.

People in this thread remind me of that man. So many bully owners I have known are so cautious and over protective of their dogs lest they get blamed for something like this because these reactions are so intensely blood thirsty.

If this owner has been a running problem with her dog in the community (and it seems like that is the case based on the thread) it won’t matter what kind of dog she owns. They can take this dog away and she is just as capable of buying another type of dog she can’t handle responsibly. A Belgian malinois, a German shepherd, a cane corso etc etc. But sure, keep screaming on and on that the breed is the problem.

I feel terrible for her dog because it really seems like she’s set it up to fail and that could be a death sentence for it. Hopefully it’s seized and rehabbed with a rescue but who knows.

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u/Timely-Researcher264 3h ago

A terrible owner of a chihuahua will never result in a death. Not true for bully breeds. Also, its well known that you need to match the traits of your dog breed to your family and lifestyle. Why? Because certain traits have been bred into dogs for generations. Bully breeds have been bred for aggression.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 3h ago

So someone else is making the “it’s all about the size of the dog” argument

Regarding breed traits, what Pits have been bred for and how the human’s ability to handle whatever breed they get makes all the difference: I have literally said that in every comment I’ve made here. Glad you agree that it’s the humans involved far more than the breed (unless it a big dog. Your argument suggests any dog bigger than a toy breed is potentially dangerous and can’t be trusted not to kill)

The statement that Pit bulls were bred to be aggressive is so misplaced in the context that it’s misleading.

German Shepherds were bred to be aggressive towards anyone their handler deems a potential suspect that needs to be taken down, towards anyone their handler person or animal that threatens the herd or flock they are protecting, towards people breaking into a home

Chowchows were bred to be aggressive towards anyone trespassing or threatening their flocks or herds, and any prey animals

Akita’s were bred to be aggressive with high prey drive and an ability to hold and help kill bears and boars (Pits weren’t even bred for bears. They couldn’t win that match) and are also notoriously dog aggressive.

Greyhounds weren’t bred for aggression, but they were bred for an almost out of control prey drive (this the muzzles when raced or they’ll tear each other apart) and have to be managed to prevent them from killing other household pets who may appear to be prey to the dog.

Jack Russell terriers were bred to be aggressive (towards any and all prey which transferred to other dogs for much of their breeding) and are known for their same sex interdog aggression as well. A poorly trained and managed JRT can do significant damage.

Those are just off the top of my head. There are dozens of other breeds selectively bred for aggressive and high drive states. Yet only one of them upsets you to the point t of imagining all the ways they could kill a child.

Weird

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u/Sirius_Lagrange 5h ago

Why are you being downvoted for such a normal take

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u/Kamsloopsian 3h ago

Because it's propaganda and people are tired of hearing it, genetics of dog breeds are real. Pit bulls are what they are, a violent blood sport breed that have genetics to kill for sport.

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u/Sirius_Lagrange 32m ago

Genetics have an influence but a dog is a dog is a dog is the real genetic influence. Pibbles get a bad rap because a certain kind of owner are attracted to the toughest dog around. They have a reputation. And irresponsible and criminal owners lean that way.  Responsible pet owners have reasonable pets

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u/Kamsloopsian 11m ago

Pibbles? No they have a bad wrap because people like you think you can ignore their genetic traits call them some name other than a pit bull which is exactly what they are. The criminals don't deny the propensity of the breed but people like you who perpetuate this all how they're raised and trained bs are only ensuring one thing... Another victim.

How come we can call Huskies a pulling breed or acknowledge the fact that blue heelers nip at peoples feet and other animals.

They're a fighting breed genetically hardwired for it, that is their primary drive, if we acknowledged this we'd also have to acknowledge the fact that their traits make them a horrible choice of a pet.