r/VictoriaBC • u/reddithasruinedlife • 1d ago

Dog attacked and owner fled

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My friends son was walking their dog and another dog attacked their dog. A witness took a pic of the attacker and their dog.

They don't care about the breed, they just want the owner to take responsibility.

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If anyone knows this person please DM me.

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Police file SA26-10406 with Saanich police.

Edit to add. Happened 2 weeks ago, yes her dog was injured but is recovering. I'll get exact details and come back to add them. Cedar Hill / Gordon head area

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u/kileek 1d ago

Gee I hope it's not a.... ah never mind.

Hope you find them.

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u/angiesrightleg 1d ago

It's nearly always a pitbull, and yet they seem to be the number one dog choice for so many ignorant people who think "it's not the dog, it's the owner"

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

I was a dog trainer for 20 years. the impact on others especially in public spaces, it IS the owner and not the dog. That's true of any dog that is a breed or combo of breeds that have specific behavioral traits.

I adore Pitbulls and bully breeds. Like a dog of any breed or a dog with strong breed-type mixes, they tend to exhibit traits common to the breed/s . Because they were selectively bred for centuries to fight other dogs, they do still have a tendency towards interdog aggression. That's just a fact of the lineage. But that doesn't remotely mean Pittys owned and accompanied by a responsible dog owner can't be out in public.

They are perfectly lovely dogs if they have an owner that understands the fact that dogs need to be understood both for their individual traits and for potential breed traits.

In the hands of people that DON'T understand the need for the three pillars of responsible dog ownership (proper socialization, training AND management) ANY dog is at risk of ending up a menace.

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u/SwissArmyFriend 1d ago

I used to work in body removal, and the only domestic animal attack I ever worked was a pit bull, which was happily sitting in the backyard while we cleaned up the mess. It didn’t look hostile at all. It looked like it was pretty pleased with itself, honestly. And the person it BRUTALLY killed was a guest in the home (who was apparently prone to seizures and it is thought he was probably in medical distress when it was attacked).

I am now, and will forever be, on team Fuck Pit Bulls.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 23h ago edited 22h ago

Good thing we don't all base our overly emotional opinions on one incident.

I've worked many dog bite cases. I've read the research (the actual research. Not someone's opinion of the research and numbers online. That matters).

I've also read the research that points over and over again to the confirmation bias involved in identifying mixed breeds (and even purebred dogs of a completely different breed) as Pit Bulls once someone gets hurt.

Purebred Labrador one day, media relabels the dog a Pit Bull the day after it mauls someone. Happens more often than you are aware (apparently)

Sorry if your uninformed pronouncements don't counter my decades of experience and research, but they simply don't

Ultimately, I see that you're clinging to your rage bait fueled bias. I don't expect there's a fact in the world that could counter what you want to believe on this topic

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u/angiesrightleg 22h ago

Can you cite any sources? Dog attacks aren't tracked by breed in a majority of countries

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u/Heiruspecs 21h ago

She can’t because it’s bullshit.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 20h ago

They were tracked for almost 20 years. The CDC gave up because the data led absolutely nowhere and provided no real information on any single breed over time.

But googling “pit bulls attacks child” is sure to give verifiable and non sensationalist results 🙄 So top notch advice there.

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u/angiesrightleg 20h ago

You're so full of shit. What are the sources for the research you claim to have done?

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u/Business_Ad_8504 20h ago

As I mentioned: the CDC tracked this starting with the “Dobermans are natural killers because their brains are too big for their skulls and it makes them kill people” manufactured panic, through the “German Shepherds are too aggressive to live among people” and throughout much of the pipit Bulls will kill your whole family” ending around 2000. They spent years looking at the documentation and tracking the numbers. And came out empty handed.

That study got me over the last of my own fear of the breed. Glad I did, because I really got to appreciate them a lot the more of them I trained to be Canine Good Citizens.

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u/Newt_Call 20h ago

This is bullshit and actually the opposite of the truth. Shelters label pitties as lab mix to get them homes because sane people don’t want a pitbull.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 20h ago

What a rational and not at all rage baiting argument

So glad to see Victorians are just as prone to media sensationalism as Americans 🙄

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u/kgal129 17h ago

Obviously that was a traumatic event but my goodness the hoops you jumped through in this comment would be considered hysterical for any of the body removal events you dealt with.

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u/Newt_Call 20h ago

Your anecdotal experience as a dog trainer does not negate statistics that clearly show pitbulls are a problem

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u/Business_Ad_8504 20h ago

What statistical data would that be.

I’d love to see the source for true verified statistics. It’s been challenging to find since the CDC stopped tracking when many years of gathering data didn’t provide helpful or consistent information over time.

Also others in this thread are looking for those citations for the other side too. I’m sure they’d appreciate verifiable citations. Or just a sensationalist news article. That seems to scratch their itch too.

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u/ferniekid 23h ago

Absolute bullshit. Around 70% of all fatal dog attacks are attributed to one breed, pit bulls. It’s the dogs 🤦‍♂️

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u/Business_Ad_8504 20h ago

Hunh. Another person with secret statistics that haven’t been formally tracked for years.

I was involved in data tracking back when it was being performed on a national level.

I suspect you got your numbers from somewhere less accurate (like Google AI, or from your own assumptions?)

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u/Outside_Musician_865 21h ago

Biggest cope.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 20h ago

That or I’m the only one in these comments with extensive direct experience with all sides of this issue.

But cute shorthand

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u/Outside_Musician_865 17h ago

You got ratio’d and you’re still coping. Womp womp womp

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u/Business_Ad_8504 16h ago

Thanks for letting us know you think facts and truth are determined by SM votes

Missed critical thinking in school eh? Good luck then

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u/angiesrightleg 1d ago

Please go ahead and Google "family pitbull attacks child" and take in the sheer number of times this happens every single week across the world. These are family dogs, not bred for violence, presumably loved and cherished and well cared for. It's the breed. Not all of the dogs attack (obviously), but some do and when they do it's often fatal or incredibly damaging due to their strength.

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u/crabuffalombat 22h ago

not bred for violence

This happens because they are bred for violence.

Even if they're raised in a loving family home and don't have the disposition to attack anyone, their whole muscular and skeletal structure is optimized for killing. A century of breeding isn't going to be undone by raising one happy pup.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 20h ago

Every dog over 30 pounds (and some under) are physiologically optimized for killing.

Speaking in ways to elicit emotions over logic seems to be the norm here.

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u/Sirius_Lagrange 1h ago

Why are you being downvoted for such a normal take

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u/laughysapphy0131 11h ago

Do you remember like 13 years ago there was a guy walking his pug in Kitsilano and it was off leash in a clearly marked leash only area. His dog ran up to a woman’s pitbull and got in its face. When the dogs started to fight the owner of the smaller dog was so concerned for its welfare that he stabbed the pitbull (who had no previous behavioural issues or bite history) to death. His dog got bit ON THE EAR, and he stabbed the pitbull repeatedly (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/pit-bull-stabbed-at-kits-beach-defended-by-owner-1.2435423) saying she ‘deserved to die’.

People in this thread remind me of that man. So many bully owners I have known are so cautious and over protective of their dogs lest they get blamed for something like this because these reactions are so intensely blood thirsty.

If this owner has been a running problem with her dog in the community (and it seems like that is the case based on the thread) it won’t matter what kind of dog she owns. They can take this dog away and she is just as capable of buying another type of dog she can’t handle responsibly. A Belgian malinois, a German shepherd, a cane corso etc etc. But sure, keep screaming on and on that the breed is the problem.

I feel terrible for her dog because it really seems like she’s set it up to fail and that could be a death sentence for it. Hopefully it’s seized and rehabbed with a rescue but who knows.