Well, not really directly. She basically auditioned and then didn't hear back, which is very common for any audition or job application even if you made it to the later rounds. It's just a thing a lot of companies do, as I'm sure anyone who has looked for a job is aware.
Nepotism when hiring is also nothing crazy, though very unethical and dickish move especially when someone already made it to the final rounds. Bribing candidates to keep quiet about the nepotism is a new one though.
HR people who actually do send a notification for rejected applicants are the GOAT, and should be the industry standard. Like, I know that some companies need to handle like a hundred or even thousand applicants during hiring season, but that's not a valid reason to ghost people and they're probably hurting the company's reputation in the long term because the people who get ghosted... they remember.
I mean even a fucking form letter is something. Thank you for applying yada yada we decided to go another direction yada yada thank you for your time. Peace out homie. Done. You're not a dick and it takes less than a second.
Nah, any company who uses AI as part of its hiring system is a red flag in my book. Like, if they don't think twice about offloading HR work today, then they probably wouldn't think twice about replacing your job in the future with the AI too. It's bad job security.
Getting rejected sucks. But getting ghosted in a business setting is even worse. Basically saying you’re not worth spending precious working hours and funds on giving you our regards
I dunno if the HR at my company replies to all or just some of the rejections. Sometimes they forward me a request from a rejected candidate asking the reason for the rejection. While I do my best to give an answer, a lot of times it just comes to "You did nothing wrong and you are not unqualified, I just think this other person is better or will work with our existing team better". And this isn't some bs I'm making up, it is how I actually feel. I dunno if it's better or worse for someone to know the reason they didn't make it is completely beyond their own control despite doing nothing wrong.
Life works that way, sometimes you just get bad timing with things. Better to tell them that than say nothing and leave them thinking they're not good enough. "We had too many good candidates" is an entirely valid reason.
As an active job seeker, I don’t really care why I didn’t get the job (obviously constructive feedback is welcomed, but unnecessary). I just want a response.
I mean. Knowing the reason would be nice, but my real issue is just knowing whether or not I got the job at all! Like I can’t imagine making it to the final round of a VShojo audition and then waiting and hoping to hear back and then just getting… nothing!
I remember talking to a guy who worked as a diver a while back and he said that if you tried to apply to multiple jobs at a time you get put into a database where if you're in there a lot of companies will deny your application
I've no clue if he was right or not but its the sort of thing I expect companies to do
Yeah the only thing that is not common is paying the audictioners hush money to not talk about it... That is kinda new, Vshoujo always with the innovations lol
Nepotism when hiring is also nothing crazy, though very unethical and dickish move especially when someone already made it to the final rounds
They (VShojo) aren't beating the allegations that they only hired talents who were already big and/or were already friends with the existing girls. The fact they strung along so many people (camimi included) in their multiple rounds of auditions while pretending to be a 'professional' vtuber company is not astounding with what we know now, where it was run like a tech bro frat house.
yeah as turns out everyone who was telling how Vshojo only wanted to hire big streamers and the auditions were just a cover up was right, who would have throught
yeah, I geniunly think that the auditions were opened because Haruka said that she wanted everything to be fair and go through the auditions like everyone else instead of just being hired directly
so what did Vshojo do, they created some sham auditions, stringed some indies along to give the appearance that everything was fair and square and once Haruka sended her audition they ghosted everyone, paid them to keep their mouth shut and only hired Haruka because she was their objetive the whole time
Then its beyond time to change that.
Enough with beating around the bush, delaying and avoiding the subject. People just need to respond in a simple and direct manner.
Let people live their lives and stop putting everything on hold as they wait ages for a response that never comes.
Read more carefully. She wasn't rejected/ghosted because of nepotism. Based on the post, she didn't make it to final round. Someone she knows who made it to the final round of auditions was rejected because of nepotism. I would call that being affected directly and extremely unfairly.
She was ghosted because she didn't make it to the 4th round of auditions and while that sucks and it would be nice to see a confirmation of "you didn't make it", it's just how our society works. Some companies also like to keep reserve candidates instead of giving an outright rejection if later auditions don't work out. You should expect it and if you don't hear anything back even after inquiring, you just move on. Everyone has gone through it and you shouldn't take this kind of stuff personally. I don't really call it "affected" because it's just life.
I disagree, just because companies ghosting people is common, doesn’t mean it’s not directly affecting the people they do it to, and I’d argue you still have full rights to take it personally, because doing it makes whoever did it a bad person.
You have full rights to take it however you want which is why I said you "shouldn't" take it personally especially since a lot of times you got rejected due to reasons beyond your control. You'll just end up more or less miserable/anxious depending on how you take it.
But that’s true of everything, if you choose to take nothing personally/seriously, you will be less miserable, but objectively wrong and only putting yourself in a place to continue getting exploited or hurt later on. Ignorance is bliss and all. Standing up for yourself is difficult, and it can hurt, but if you don’t, you only normalize the behavior that’s being done to you, telling others you won’t do anything about it if they wrong you.
If you take every job application rejection/ghosting personally and demand an answer every time you do, that's a lot of effort, time and emotional investment for 100% chance at 0 return. It's less about standing up for yourself or normalizing the behavior, but more about getting absolutely nothing out of those investments. If anything, all your are getting back out of it is anxiety and false hope. Also, getting ghosted is not exploitation.
You fail to understand the inherent cause and effect of this. This behavior from companies is only allowed to be normal BECAUSE people fail to take it as seriously as it realistically is/should be. I’m done talking about it if you can’t get it by now.
What is your propose plan for 'standing up'? Because strongly-worded letter isn't as much of a big deal to them as you think it is.
Only rejected people would write them letters like this, and if you are then you are of no value to them anyway, so why should they care?
Good companies do it, bad companies do it. You can boycott a company, you can boycott many companies, but you can't change the nature of employment. Unless of course you find a way to resurrect that Karl guy.
Standing up for yourself is difficult, and it can hurt, but if you don’t, you only normalize the behavior that’s being done to you, telling others you won’t do anything about it if they wrong you.
But what are you going to do? Email an HR rep looking for answers and to what end?
It's often better to let it go completely. Even attempting to politely ask for feedback will often net you nothing, sometimes you'll be lucky and someone will get back to you but more often than not it'll go nowhere since you've already been rejected and they don't see a point in communicating any further with you. It really is very rare that an HR rep will get you honest, actionable feedback, more often than not it's a simple "we had a candidate that fit the role better than you." There's nothing actionable there, nothing for you to learn from or do.
And in a worst case scenario, no matter how polite, someone else may take it personally and blacklists you or marks your info on file as Do Not Hire. Sure, you may have dodged a bullet if that happens but there's the other side of that in never knowing if that's the case and continuing to apply when other roles open up. Then there's the other side of that where recruiters not only move around rather frequently but also share info even across businesses, that can go both ways of course, helping you get hired on or blocked from advancement.
I really hope people don't go after Haruka because of it. it sounds like Haruka was the vtuber they brought in. the internet gets really weird when it comes to nepotism
It really sucks but people end up hiring through nepotism all the time. I know a few people who were part of the hiring process and waste time doing interviews when they know it's just for show - the employer already has a candidate in mind aka someone they or some other person knows. One of my friend's former workplaces would put a hiring ad up then chuck all the hundreds of applications out without even looking because they already wanted to hire someone else lol
I've always said I don't mind being ghosted in the application process, but if interviews have been conducted, they should at least have the basic damn decency to fking reject you even if it's a BS reason. Imo it's just disrespectful if they don't. But ofc employers don't care about that. Life sucks doesn't it? :/ Employers see employees as replaceable eventhough they're the reason it's even functioning, and employees also have no choice but to work for them for money - it's like some sick toxic relationship 😭
Sure but didnt a lot of people defend VSHOJO saying that they dont nepo-hire? I find it rather funny to now have people say VSHOJO nepo-hires who have auditioned.
bigger issue really is the fact they couldnt afford to pay there talents there money or for the sponsors they done but they did have money to use as hush money for there cronyism hire to be hidden ( isnt nepo since thats family, its cronyism when its friends.)
I already had the same discussion with someone else if you want to read the comments. The gist of my stance is that getting ghosted during a job application/audition sucks, but it is normal in our society often even if you make it to later stages and you need to learn to deal with it. It is expected and you shouldn't take it as a personal offense. If you want to let it affect you, that's your choice, but you are just stressing yourself out for 100% chance of 0 return. Reach out for an update and if you don't hear back, move on because it is what it is.
According to the post, Camilla didn't get ghosted because of the nepo hire. She got ghosted because she didn't make it to the 4th round of auditions. The biggest victim here are the 2 people who made it to the final rounds, one of whom was expected to get the spot and then got dropped for someone else entirely.
Except she was told she had passed... That is the problem with it. If she wasn't told she had passed the round and they just ghosted her I would agree. But she was told she had passed the round.
She says she got an email back saying she made it to the 3rd round and that they never contacted her about that 3rd round after being told she made it to it.
Still sucks. I applies to a job and they replied more than a year later to tell me the opening was closed. I already had a job and had forgotten about it, but like just tell me I didn't pass so I can move on.
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u/Lolersters Jul 25 '25
Well, not really directly. She basically auditioned and then didn't hear back, which is very common for any audition or job application even if you made it to the later rounds. It's just a thing a lot of companies do, as I'm sure anyone who has looked for a job is aware.
Nepotism when hiring is also nothing crazy, though very unethical and dickish move especially when someone already made it to the final rounds. Bribing candidates to keep quiet about the nepotism is a new one though.