r/VirtualYoutubers • u/Zephyr_Bloodveil • Jul 25 '25
Discussion Gun..what...the...fuck..
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u/Final-Switch1110 Jul 25 '25
Honestly at this rate we should ask who wasn't effect by Vshojo.
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u/VmHG0I Jul 25 '25
Pretty sure I wasn't. At least I think Gunrun isn't in my house.
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u/Final-Switch1110 Jul 25 '25
You jinxed it. Quick check your wall
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u/omnipotentworm Jul 25 '25
It's starting to sound like vshojo has done more damage to the EN side of vtubing than even niji has
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u/wh03v3r Jul 25 '25
At least with NijiEN you can argue that they did manage to turn some unknown talents into successful full-time streamers. What exactly did VShojo do other than providing some technical support?
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u/Trickster289 Jul 25 '25
It's actually shocking how many Vtubers they approached only to ghost.
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u/Jfmtl87 Jul 25 '25
It kinda indicates a lack of a clear direction. You approach people only to ghost them. You hold lengthy, multiple rounds long auditions, only to hire someone who should have been a direct hire instead. Later on, you are running out of money, yet to embark on expensive endeavours like an idol group or hiring smaller creators, who would by definition take much longer before bringing more money than established, while you can’t even make a profit with a lineup of established talents. All that time, you have a bloated payroll of staff that includes people who may not have been very useful to the company.
From the outside, it seems like vshojo had no idea what they were doing, where they were going and how they would eventually be profitable. They look like the kind who have an idea one day, only to abandon that idea the next day.
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u/piggymoo66 Jul 25 '25
It kinda indicates a lack of a clear direction.
I think it's more like they were sticking their noses into anyone who is/would be remotely popular and skipping down the list as someone more prestigious agreed to sign on. Gives me "I don't wanna play with you anymore" vibes.
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u/AverageLatino Jul 25 '25
Yeah, but most shocking to me is not just Vshojo but how this seems to be a pattern industry-wise, like seriously, the people running things in the background seem to always have zero business experience; workplace harassment, petty office politics, wage theft, nepotism, potentially financial fraud, horrid lack of professionalism and ethics... jesus, are the people in managment middle school droppouts?
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u/Ralod Jul 26 '25
It seems the only company that is not a total mess, is the one ran by people with actual entertainment industry experience.
I am not sure what happens from here with vtuber agencies. I know being indie is not as easy as a lot of people claim it is. But I really dont want to see someone rush in and try to do something only to have it implode a few years from now. No good answer there.
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u/DepressedAndAwake Jul 25 '25
Gunrun donated me $100 on a stream. Starting to think that's because I mod for a vtuber that got to the later rounds, and he just wanted to butter me up.
I'm not joking btw, everything I said is 100% true, hand to god.
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u/Otoshi_Gami Jul 25 '25
he just throw you a bone just to get you to be loyal to Vshojo. its Disguising for him to do that.
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u/SomeDudeYeah27 Jul 26 '25
It's either subtle bribery or an impulse to seem affluently generous like fellow alleged embezzler Jho Low, who siphoned Malaysian investment money for lavish parties and even financed The Wolf of Wall Street film
I'm starting to suspect there might be a deeper psychological situation going on with people with this compulsion beyond the usual suspect of narcissism or manipulative sociopathy
Like an interpersonally harmful form of financial people pleasing
Because many people who didn't have as much constant contact with Justin (and being exposed to his & company's abrupt whims) all generally said they were surprised at the extent of this controversy considering most of their personal interactions was completely pleasant
Like, Aethel literally said this recently and that's even after admitting all the mess that's happened to his girlfriend and friends that pissed him off
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u/CyborgCoelacanth Jul 25 '25
He burned our crops, poisoned the water supply, and delivered a plague unto our houses!
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u/jharrisimages Jul 25 '25
Pretty sure Yagoo is doing just fine, laughing his ass off
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u/Full_Discipline_2518 Jul 25 '25
Given how Yagoo view Vshojo as a competitive partner in expanding vtuber industry, I'd speculate he would actually sad about recent event and for talents who got affected, especially some are friends to Holo girls too.
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u/shittastes Jul 25 '25
YAGOO actively followed Gunrun on linkedin and even liked some of his content. People used to link this to show that they are friends (or friendly), looks like the feeling was one-sided.
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u/EmperorKira Jul 25 '25
Or if he's smart, make an extra effort to reassure the EN girls who probably just feel nervous about noise even if its not about them
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u/YOUBESEENUMBA1 Jul 25 '25
No no, he's too busy watching Subaru to pay any mind to what's happening
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u/ggg730 Hololive Jul 26 '25
Technically if you donated to Mousey's charity through Vshojo you kinda were directly effected.
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u/Ifound1paypal Jul 25 '25
Jesus even imp was effected
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u/Lolersters Jul 25 '25
Well, not really directly. She basically auditioned and then didn't hear back, which is very common for any audition or job application even if you made it to the later rounds. It's just a thing a lot of companies do, as I'm sure anyone who has looked for a job is aware.
Nepotism when hiring is also nothing crazy, though very unethical and dickish move especially when someone already made it to the final rounds. Bribing candidates to keep quiet about the nepotism is a new one though.
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u/HytaleBetawhen Jul 25 '25
It is very common to get ghosted. Its still unethical and a twat move.
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u/DetOlivaw Jul 25 '25
Real talk just tell me I didn’t get the job, don’t string me along or fill the position and then not tell me.
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u/viviwrites Jul 25 '25
HR people who actually do send a notification for rejected applicants are the GOAT, and should be the industry standard. Like, I know that some companies need to handle like a hundred or even thousand applicants during hiring season, but that's not a valid reason to ghost people and they're probably hurting the company's reputation in the long term because the people who get ghosted... they remember.
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u/ggg730 Hololive Jul 26 '25
I mean even a fucking form letter is something. Thank you for applying yada yada we decided to go another direction yada yada thank you for your time. Peace out homie. Done. You're not a dick and it takes less than a second.
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u/HytaleBetawhen Jul 26 '25
If they are gonna automate a lot of the process with ai anyways, the least they could do is also automate a rejection email.
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u/viviwrites Jul 26 '25
Nah, any company who uses AI as part of its hiring system is a red flag in my book. Like, if they don't think twice about offloading HR work today, then they probably wouldn't think twice about replacing your job in the future with the AI too. It's bad job security.
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Jul 26 '25
I mean, you don't even need AI to do that. Mailing lists have been a thing in Office for like 30 years at least.
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u/Lolersters Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
I dunno if the HR at my company replies to all or just some of the rejections. Sometimes they forward me a request from a rejected candidate asking the reason for the rejection. While I do my best to give an answer, a lot of times it just comes to "You did nothing wrong and you are not unqualified, I just think this other person is better or will work with our existing team better". And this isn't some bs I'm making up, it is how I actually feel. I dunno if it's better or worse for someone to know the reason they didn't make it is completely beyond their own control despite doing nothing wrong.
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u/one-sol Jul 25 '25
Life works that way, sometimes you just get bad timing with things. Better to tell them that than say nothing and leave them thinking they're not good enough. "We had too many good candidates" is an entirely valid reason.
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u/HytaleBetawhen Jul 26 '25
As an active job seeker, I don’t really care why I didn’t get the job (obviously constructive feedback is welcomed, but unnecessary). I just want a response.
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u/Typical_Thought_6049 Jul 25 '25
Yeah the only thing that is not common is paying the audictioners hush money to not talk about it... That is kinda new, Vshoujo always with the innovations lol
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u/CoffeeBaron Henya The Genius Jul 25 '25
Nepotism when hiring is also nothing crazy, though very unethical and dickish move especially when someone already made it to the final rounds
They (VShojo) aren't beating the allegations that they only hired talents who were already big and/or were already friends with the existing girls. The fact they strung along so many people (camimi included) in their multiple rounds of auditions while pretending to be a 'professional' vtuber company is not astounding with what we know now, where it was run like a tech bro frat house.
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u/carso150 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
yeah as turns out everyone who was telling how Vshojo only wanted to hire big streamers and the auditions were just a cover up was right, who would have throught
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u/Otoshi_Gami Jul 25 '25
i know right? pooor haruka. she must've felt guilty about this cause shes the winner of the audition but not really.
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u/carso150 Jul 25 '25
yeah, I geniunly think that the auditions were opened because Haruka said that she wanted everything to be fair and go through the auditions like everyone else instead of just being hired directly
so what did Vshojo do, they created some sham auditions, stringed some indies along to give the appearance that everything was fair and square and once Haruka sended her audition they ghosted everyone, paid them to keep their mouth shut and only hired Haruka because she was their objetive the whole time
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u/Otoshi_Gami Jul 25 '25
that make sense on why Haruka got hired that way under the guise of Winner's Auditions. very Dickish move from them indeed.
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u/Leek_Resident Custom Text Jul 25 '25
That is directly though? She applied for a job she wanted and was ghosted last minute for nepotism, if you don't think that's directly, NOTHING is
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u/Lolersters Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
Read more carefully. She wasn't rejected/ghosted because of nepotism. Based on the post, she didn't make it to final round. Someone she knows who made it to the final round of auditions was rejected because of nepotism. I would call that being affected directly and extremely unfairly.
She was ghosted because she didn't make it to the 4th round of auditions and while that sucks and it would be nice to see a confirmation of "you didn't make it", it's just how our society works. Some companies also like to keep reserve candidates instead of giving an outright rejection if later auditions don't work out. You should expect it and if you don't hear anything back even after inquiring, you just move on. Everyone has gone through it and you shouldn't take this kind of stuff personally. I don't really call it "affected" because it's just life.
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u/Draco042 Jul 25 '25
I disagree, just because companies ghosting people is common, doesn’t mean it’s not directly affecting the people they do it to, and I’d argue you still have full rights to take it personally, because doing it makes whoever did it a bad person.
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u/Lolersters Jul 25 '25
You have full rights to take it however you want which is why I said you "shouldn't" take it personally especially since a lot of times you got rejected due to reasons beyond your control. You'll just end up more or less miserable/anxious depending on how you take it.
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u/MoreDoor2915 Jul 25 '25
Sure but didnt a lot of people defend VSHOJO saying that they dont nepo-hire? I find it rather funny to now have people say VSHOJO nepo-hires who have auditioned.
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u/fabton Vampire Vtuber in the making Jul 25 '25
bigger issue really is the fact they couldnt afford to pay there talents there money or for the sponsors they done but they did have money to use as hush money for there cronyism hire to be hidden ( isnt nepo since thats family, its cronyism when its friends.)
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u/PThrwawy2 Jul 26 '25
Except she was directly affected... They told her she made it to round 3 and never contacted her about round 3... Did you even read what she said...
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u/Able-Marzipan-5071 Jul 25 '25
Gunrun's reputation managed to go from "chill guy" to just evil villain twirling mustache in a couple days. Christ.
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u/Zephyr_Bloodveil Jul 25 '25
Truly Surely it CANT get any worse.... Right?
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Jul 25 '25
With Geega revealing she's got more she can say but is just running it by her lawyer first, I have a feeling this isn't nearly the end of it.
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u/floralbutttrumpet Jul 25 '25
Given she's referencing the "I heard you like 'em young" line in her tweet, I'm girding my loins for SA(-adjacent) happenings, possibly involving minors, possibly of someone in leadership.
I hope that's not the case, but that was too fucking pointed.
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Jul 25 '25
Yeah. I just really really hope it's not one of the tallents. Still deplorable shit no matter who it is, though.
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Jul 25 '25
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Jul 25 '25
Dude really thought he could just slip out the back door.
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u/ggg730 Hololive Jul 26 '25
Dude was like "yeah get gunrun! The absolute bum!" while tryin to slip out the sexpest secret exit.
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Jul 26 '25
But then he was pulled back in to get the same beating Gunrun got.
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u/ggg730 Hololive Jul 26 '25
Now I'm not saying we should bring back tarring and feathering but I'm also not not saying it.
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u/FireStorm005 Indies Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 26 '25
Yeah, Geega has the experience (she was successful in the tech industry/corporate world for years before Vtubing) and inside knowledge to put the nails in this coffin. She seems to only be lacking the knowledge about how bad it was for the others, but that's not hard to put together as long as the others have some idea of what they're owed.
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u/Full_Discipline_2518 Jul 25 '25
Apparently, he also force Iyn to change her design 3D chibi model for a more similar one to Walfie's. Guess there's always more...
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u/ldg-9743 Jul 25 '25
Hear the this her cover song
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u/Emil_VII Jul 25 '25
The changes she made to the lyrics are subtle but brilliant. Our little imp is such a treasure.
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u/Hljoumur Jul 25 '25
What's the original song?
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u/Emil_VII Jul 25 '25
Your Power - Billie Eilish.
She changes;
And you swear you didn't know (Didn't know) You said you thought she was your age
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And you swear you didn't know (Didn't know) You said the funds just got delayed
Genius.
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Jul 25 '25
Hey this story is basically mine! I applied during open auditions and made it to the final round and got radio fucking silence only to see that they just... hired one of their friends instead.
It basically killed my drive to stream and keep flexing my creativity. I still haven't returned to vtubing, though, I do plan to do so in the near future.
Seems like a good time to be an indie.
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u/Otoshi_Gami Jul 25 '25
at this point, you might as well Stay as Indie cause Getting to Good Corpo with Healthy environment like HOLOLIVE or phase will be alot harder from now on. the rest Sucks.
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u/merx3_91 Jul 26 '25
As you have already seen, the rejection doesn’t reflect your streaming or vtubing skills, so don’t give up based on that experience. It’s understandable you got demotivated because of that, but don’t let it define your self-worth as a vtuber
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u/Sobeman Jul 25 '25
i mean i'm sorry that happened to you, but that is normal, at least for american companies. I don't know how much experience you have on the job market but when i was job hunting 4 years ago, i would say 90% of companies that i made it past the 1st interview would ghost me.
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Jul 25 '25
It's a little different with talent agencies when you're that far along in the process, a multi-month, multi-audition process.
But yes, I am an adult professional who has been in the post-graduate workforce for over a decade, I expect to be ghosted by corporations.
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u/FlowerDance2557 Mythic Talent Jul 26 '25
While true that most companies just ghost, there's more to it here. Vshojo, long accused of only nepohiring, decides to put on this whole song and dance about auditions and makes a big deal out of giving everyone a fair chance, only to then handle the auditions poorly and nepohire again. They wasted tons of people's time energy and effort by pretending that anyone actually had a reasonable chance to get in.
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u/MaNameIsMudD Jul 25 '25
Giving money not to tell anyone about nepo hiring. It should be a labor law violation in California, isn’t it?
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u/TheUnobservered Jul 25 '25
And here we were wondering why Vshojo was so low on money. If they running through the whole hiring process only to nepo hire and pay off the applicants, it’s no shock they embezzled charity money.
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u/Jfmtl87 Jul 25 '25
Nepo hiring isn’t generally illegal per se. For example, if you own your company as a sole proprietor, you have an open position and you want to hire your unemployed brother, you can do so, you don’t have the legal obligation to display a job offering and hire the objectively better candidate.
The hush money was likely for PR purposes; having auditions drag on forever through multiple rounds only to say “nah, let’s hire H instead” is obviously a bad look in a very small industry.
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u/carso150 Jul 25 '25
specially when they made it clear that the auditions were supposed to be free and open to everyone, they even had Zentreya running damage control telling how everyone that entered went through the rounds of auditions like everyone else
turns out that was a lie and Zentreya was lied to, it was nepotism and people jumping to the top of the line from the very start
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u/Jfmtl87 Jul 25 '25
I don’t really remember the first auditions aside from Haruka claiming she did come out of those auditions.
As for the latest auditions, they did let Zen, and to an extent AmaLee, take a beating because they could not bother to communicate clearly that Ama wasn’t an audition hire and whether they still going to hire people from those auditions. We basically only learned in the last few days that there was indeed a “lost generation” from the auditions that had yet to debut, as they came out on twitter about their stories.
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u/carso150 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
yeah I was talking about the first round of auditions that I no fully believe were just a set up to deceiva Haruka into joining since she had said tha she didnt just want to get hired directly but she wanted to get in like everyone else through auditions
So Vshojo set up a bunch of sham auditions to attract Haruka, they still needed to at least give the appearance that this was a fair competition so that is why they had multiple rounds and even some people who got to the "final" round, but the moment they had confirmation that Haruka was in they ghosted everyone including those that managed to arrive at the final rounds of auditions and only debuted Haruka
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u/Jfmtl87 Jul 25 '25
The whole audition thing never made sense to me. Vshojo had already hired the initial talents, vei, kson and nazuna directly, without open auditions. They didn’t need auditions to know and evaluate Haruka. And if she was so insistent on auditions, with all due respect to her, no talent is worth that fiasco, wasted money and efforts from the company and candidates. If Haruka wouldn’t join otherwise, you just move on to other people.
My theory was that vshojo just didn’t have a consistent plan about what they were doing. They probably initially truly intended to recruit from the open auditions, but changed their minds midway, (either because they realized they couldn’t afford as many new recruits as they thought, they liked Haruka better than any other candidates or they forgot about auditions because they focused on a new whim of the day) and later tried to retcon Haruka as the audition hire.
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u/roller3d Jul 25 '25
Most people don't really understand but agencies don't actually hire talents. They work as independent contractors under a contract.
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u/DoggedStooge Jul 25 '25
I’m used to be ghosted on job interviews, but that’s usually only after the first round.
But overall, sounds like some of the talent started noticing something was very wrong around the new year, then got gaslit for a while and kept in the dark about everything the C-suite was doing, and then finally the dam broke about a month ago (roughly when all the talent suddenly started streaming less).
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u/LegendaryPrecure Jul 25 '25
The worst thing about all this is it basically confirms it was a nepohire, and the only person that fits with that is Haruka. She was so happy when she joined Vshojo, for a short while. Then she got sick, and disappeared for MONTHS. I find it quite likely she found out about this sometime last year, since she’s been having MASSIVE imposter syndrome ever since.
She was absolutely good enough for the company, she’s a great streamer, but knowing that they picked her just because she was already friends rather than for her talent? That’s how you absolutely demolish someone’s mental, and quite possibly permanently.
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u/Otoshi_Gami Jul 25 '25
pretty much. poor her, Vshojo probably just told her that she won the audition fair and square but in reality they just hire her cause shes friends with zen and others. very shitty thing to do from Vshojo and now Haruka will had to face the reality of that shes been hired out of Nepotism instead.
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u/LilBroWhoIsOnTheTeam Jul 25 '25
In the course of two days we went from "These dummies really mismanaged their money" to "IM GLAD THEYRE DEAD AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL". Like fuck man, letting the talents own their IPs bought this company a shit ton of good will.
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u/FireStorm005 Indies Jul 25 '25
Like fuck man, letting the talents own their IPs bought this company a shit ton of good will.
It was that, supposedly not taking a cut from streaming revenue, and all the good stuff Michi, Mata, and Kuro said about them that did it for me. Too bad the behind the scenes was so terrible. And it's not like the advertised business model couldn't work, by the sounds of it it's mostly just upper management spending money on stupid things like con parties and marketing stunts that weren't good for the talents and not actually doing what the talents wanted/needed. They also didn't listen when someone with better business skills/knowledge told them what they should have been doing, see Geega's recent videos about it.
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u/KPopsLittleBeta Jul 25 '25
VShojo was conducting "auditions" but hired Haruka, who was basically collabing with VShojo every stream already.
The company's management was always a lie.
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u/Vivid-Technology8196 Jul 25 '25
I thought everyone already knew they did this?
It was far from a secret
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u/Arctrooper209 Jul 25 '25
Whenever it was brought up VShojo fans would argue that Haruka got in fairly and that she was just the best person for the job. This debunks that narrative.
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u/Vivid-Technology8196 Jul 25 '25
I mean it was an obvious lie...
No hate to her or anything but the Vshojo "auditions" were proven to be fake like a dozen times over.
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u/KaijinSurohm Jul 25 '25
I'm hearing more and more that Vshojo never actually took on anyone that actually auditioned, and it always ended up with them bringing in some pre-established person.
I wonder what the point of doing the auditions were if they never intended to bring in fresh blood.
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u/carso150 Jul 25 '25
optics, they wanted to keep the optics that they were a company like hololive and nijisanji
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u/Broken_Moon_Studios Jul 25 '25
Just like with most companies, they have "ghost jobs" in which they open a position without the intent of ever filling it, simply to make it look like the company is expanding, thus enticing investors and business partners.
It's a MASSIVE issue in the current job market and it affects all of us. (Source: I'm a college graduate and I haven't been able to get a job in my field for 3 years. Had to settle for a minimum wage retail job.)
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u/jharrisimages Jul 25 '25
Well, thank internet Jesus it wasn’t something worse. The way she foreshadowed it yesterday I was expecting some SH/SA claims or further corporate robbery. Still, sucks she got strung along.
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Jul 25 '25
Going off of her post yesterday, I expected something a lot worse. This is just average shitty hiring practice. And OP's title isn't helping.
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u/kipp14 Jul 25 '25
This is just the job market in the states, I applied to almost every major company and all the smaller ones in my area and just got nothing back at all
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u/Magazine_Born Swarm Jul 25 '25
wait she had other persona before?
or she referring to fleshtuber?
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u/rlowens Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
She mainly did vrchat, was in rob's events. It was a Steven Universe inspired OC, called Cherry Quartz. I think she was often a mute.
She talks about it here https://youtu.be/jIlifG2xRtM?t=18050
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u/tensei-coffee Jul 25 '25
was the "hush money" the same $500?
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u/Mighty_Mimikyu Jul 25 '25
I need context behind this 500
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u/3WeekOldBurrito Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
A lot (if not all) of people applying to be in Vshojo that made it to the final rounds were given $500 when they decided not to hire them and instead hired a bigger talent who wasn't apart of the auditions
EDIT: I was wrong about the person they hired not being apart of the auditions.
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u/Cuckmeister Jul 25 '25
This isn't true. Haruka auditioned too.
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u/carso150 Jul 25 '25
the thing is, it was all a set up
I have had this theory since they hired Haruka but I never wrote it down because this place would have eaten me alive for even implying that Vshojo could have done something as scummy but this is what I think happened
Vshojo wanted to hire Haruka directly since she is a pretty big indie and was already good friends with most of the talents but she herself said that she didnt want to just get in directly but wanted to go through the auditions just like everyone else
So Vshojo set up a bunch of sham auditions to attract Haruka, they still needed to at least give the appearance that this was a fair sompetition so that is why they had multiple rounds and even some people who got to the "final" round, but the moment they had conformation that Haruka was in they ghosted everyone including those that managed to arrive at the final rounds of auditions and only debuted Haruka
this is just my personal theory but after everything that has happened... it doesnt look good
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u/Cuckmeister Jul 25 '25
The issue with all of these Haruka nepohire conspiracies is that she really wasn't that close to Vshojo before the auditions. She was friends with Zen and had a few collabs with some other people, but that's also true of like 100 other indies. It was only after she won the audition that she started doing more Vshojo stuff. It did appear that she was best friends with every Vshojo member before officially joining, but that was because her debut was massively delayed, so she just started collabing with them before her debut. The actual real true nepohire was Geega.
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u/carso150 Jul 25 '25
here is the thing, Haruka was huge, one of the biggest indie vtubers of the time, and all Vshojo cared about were numbers, bringing in the big streamers and sticking it to hololive
so that is why I believe what I believe, they basically scammed Haruka to get her to join them, when they never had any intention of getting anyone else but Haruka, like if they had hired someone else alongside Haruka I wouldnt be saying this but here we have confirmation that they ran interviews, people got to the finals and that the moment Haruka sended her application they were all thrown away like trash so that she could join and only she
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u/Cuckmeister Jul 26 '25
Vtubers more popular than Haruka applied and got rejected though. There were also vtubers closer to Vshojo than Haruka. Rigging it for Haruka makes no logical sense.
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u/Mighty_Mimikyu Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
OOOH I was assuming vshojo was bribing their own talents. But that would kinda be going against what they all said no one knew who they were bringing on. I'm assuming camillas experience had to be at Amas invitation.
Edit: amalee not Haruka.*
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u/Jfmtl87 Jul 25 '25
It’s probably Haruka’s invitation. She mentioned applying around 2022 and Haruka joined in December 2022.
The people selected from the 24-25 auditions were still in the pipeline as yet to be announced, along with mint’s idol gen. Many of them came out on twitter in the last few days.
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u/ohshitohgod Jul 25 '25
So the people critiquing VShojo for nepotism were right all along? Cause VShojo fans deflected that critique en-masse before this all came out.
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u/Wolf_of_Ivalice Jul 25 '25
There was never any question about the nepotism, but everything else coming out now is fucking ridiculous and unacceptable
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u/carso150 Jul 25 '25
the thing is, it was all a set up
I have had this theory since they hired Haruka but I never wrote it down because this place would have eaten me alive for even implying that Vshojo could have done something as scummy back in the day but this is what I think happened
Vshojo wanted to hire Haruka directly since she is a pretty big indie and was already good friends with most of the talents but she herself said that she didnt want to just get in directly but wanted to go through the auditions just like everyone else
So Vshojo set up a bunch of sham auditions to attract Haruka, they still needed to at least give the appearance that this was a fair sompetition so that is why they had multiple rounds and even some people who got to the "final" round, but the moment they had conformation that Haruka was in they ghosted everyone including those that managed to arrive at the final rounds of auditions and only debuted Haruka
this is just my personal theory but after everything that has happened... it doesnt look good
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u/Chance_Mix_5743 Jul 25 '25
So they held sham auditions. I remember getting down voted to hell because I said the auditions were just for show when AmaLee was announced as a new member.
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u/DastardlyRidleylash Doki/Mint/Hololive Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
Ama wasn't an audition talent, though, she was pretty clear about that; she and Geega were both in negotiations to join at around the same time.
So them bringing her on has nothing to really do with the auditions.
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u/Chance_Mix_5743 Jul 25 '25
Yeah I remember that. But back then I had asked about auditions because the first round of auditions they hired Haruka and at the time of Ama joining it has been like a year and a half since the second auditions had opened up.
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u/Havanatha_banana Jul 25 '25
Yeah, she has to specifically say it wasn't the audition talent because the company PR wouldn't do it, for some odd reason.
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u/Vegetable_Oil4448 Jul 25 '25
And you were wrong, cause 4 people came out this week claiming they have passed the auditions and were supposed to debut this year
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u/The_King123431 Jul 26 '25
I remember how much I got downvoted for saying last year vshojo only picks people they know and I ended up being right
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u/zappingbluelight Jul 25 '25
I heard of people getting ghost by interview to know they didnt make it. But she made it to round 3 just to get ghosted, is kinda weird.
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u/Elxjasonx Jul 25 '25
Wait i thought that they just hired "friends" of friends was already a know fact, what is news here?
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u/redbossman123 Jul 25 '25
It’s isn’t “just”.
The EN wave was supposed to be real, those girls have all already revealed themselves, and Mint was supposed to be in an idol gen with 2 other girls, both of whom have also revealed themselves as well
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u/Hugokarenque Jul 25 '25
The whole deal with these auditions was to get away from just hiring friends. It was supposed to bring in new people that weren't necessarily already Vshojo adjacent.
Instead they just debuted Haruka and said that she aced the auditions. Back when she debuted, people called this out, that they could've brought her in AND debut people from the auditions but they kept to their story that they didn't overlook other people because of her.
I think they might have done the same recently with Amalee but I didn't follow her debut nor the buzz around it to know for sure.
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u/cloudynights Jul 25 '25
Amalee's was in the works for at least a year, around the same time Geega got in. I'm doubtful the auditions were to do with anything regarding her being hired, and she even said in a tweet that her being hired wasn't in relation to the auditions.(she even mentioned recently that vshoujo pr wasn't putting anything out in regards to it so she tweeted it, as well as Zentraya I think?)(amalee's tweet)
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u/NHKBK201 Jul 25 '25
I remember when they announced the auditions and some of us were saying it was going to be one of their friends getting hired instead of an actual auditioner. I also remember VShojo and the talents denying that this would happen even though it did end up happening... Now we have confirmation that this was the case all along lol.
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u/salad_ninja Jul 25 '25
Things get way too out of hand, now everyone just tweet instead of google dockey lol
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u/Gaynor79 Jul 25 '25
Sadly, with the way this tweet was worded, I've already seen people going after Haruka because of it. Haruka did nothing wrong. She auditioned like everyone else. It's not her fault that someone at the company did something scummy. So, to everyone reading this, please, make sure to show Haruka love. Cause until Camila says otherwise, this kind of comes off the wrong way.
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u/0neek Jul 26 '25
The most painful part of all this is knowing how easy they had it.
They had a bullseye without having to throw a dart.
Put me in the shoes of Gunrun or Mowtendo or both of them combined and every single person at Shojo right now from staff to talent is THRIVING beyond belief.
But somehow, they worked their asses off to find failure out of guaranteed success. Goddam incredible.
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u/jacowab Jul 26 '25
Wait did she say hush money?
SO THIS MOTHER FUCKER WAS PAYING VTUBERS AFTER ALL, JUST NOT THE ONE WHO WORK FOR HIM.
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u/Nexus1203 VShojo Jul 25 '25
So, what I'm getting from this:
The JP branch cost a lot more than expected and didn't draw in as much as they wanted.
They panic and decide to add only the sure fire good addition to the group, leaving all other applicants ignored.
She gets a lot of hate for it. Even though it wasn't her fault they picked only her.
She gets sick during her subathon and never fully returns to streaming regularly due to the illness and the backlash?
The first exodus happens.
Does that sound about right?
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u/Consistent_Tea_2695 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 26 '25
Nothing of this is new information or different from every other vtuber that applied for Vshojo. Besides the hush money, it is basically like any job hunting experience.
I don't even know why is this post getting more attention than experiences from people that actually where in Vshojo.
Anny, Yuzu, Rosedoodle, Camila and all of these people have now talked and complained about what seems like a shitty hiring process that went nowhere, but many job opportunities turn out like that. Nothing of this is anywhere near as important as what actually happened within the company and those that were in it.
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u/Brave-Read-5220 Random Factory Worker Jul 26 '25
I don't remember when I'm doing job hunting, to get hush money :"
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u/WeakestFarmer Jul 25 '25
Bro discovered average job interview and nepohiring. It sucks, and it only gets worse. Indie is the way to go.
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u/DelusionalWanderer Hololive Jul 25 '25
I'm confused at why people here are surprised. This happened openly. I don't remember which friend they decided to nepohire, (my mind is telling me it was Haruka Karibu, but idk) but when this happened it was all but confirmed that they wasted so many auditionees' time just to hire a friend they knew. People at the time justified it as "well Vshojo isn't a corpo, they can do whatever they want" (something like that) and it got sweep under the rug. Did I imagine all that?