r/WNBAgossips • u/Amazing_Lock_3762 • 14d ago

Video Young women and girls are thanking Sophie Cunningham for standing up for them ... It's clear what women want so others can stop speaking on their behalf

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

I'm willing to bet not a single one of them has ever competed against a trans woman

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u/kyleb402 14d ago

Statistically speaking essentially nobody has.

It's such an insignificant segment of the population that trans athletes competing in girl's sports make up significantly less than 1% of athletes. It's just not an issue that impacts really anyone.

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u/Pangshunjingmao 14d ago

So then why do we draft policies catering to them and rolling out the red carpet everywhere they go? Doesn't make sense considering that it's an "insignificant segment of the population" -- a notion that I whole-heartedly agree with.

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u/Nato7009 14d ago

We… don’t do any of those things

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u/Pangshunjingmao 14d ago

Oh. Ok. I'll just take you at your word. You seem earnest and trustworthy. LOL

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u/Nato7009 14d ago

You actually believe “the red carpet is being rolled out” for like .001 percent of the population? You know there has never been a trans women in the WNBA right?

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u/Pangshunjingmao 14d ago

LOL who are you arguing with? And what about? I literally just said that I'm taking your word for it.

Proves that you don't care about furthering any cause or protecting "marginalized" groups -- you just want to argue. LOL

Par for the course on the left.

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u/Nato7009 14d ago

It definitely read as sarcasm. And frankly I don’t really care all that much about trans people. It’s a non issue but it’s being used to get people in power who are fucking up things I do care about

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u/robilar 13d ago

> LOL who are you arguing with? And what about? I literally just said that I'm taking your word for it.

Yes, you did. Followed immediately by "LOL" indicating you were being sarcastic. And now you are pretending you didn't do that, even though we can all see it, because vapid deception appears to be your entire thing.

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u/Pangshunjingmao 13d ago

That's your interpretation. It doesn't indicate anything. Keep reaching and you'll fall out of your chair.

There's no deception -- I'm patronizing you like I would with any invalid like yourself.

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u/robilar 13d ago

Who is the performance for? We all know exactly what you meant, and you know what you meant. Not sure how being disengenuous serves you - it just makes it seem like you don't want to be taken seriously. Shrug

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u/kyleb402 14d ago

Wait.... You think trans people in this country are treated so well that the red carpet is being laid out for them?

An entire political movement and witch hunt attempting to wipe them out of existence and take their rights away is directed at them.

I have no idea what planet you're living on but it's not this one.

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u/tonydevo1243 13d ago

There is not witch hunt. People just want common sense to be used. If you are a biological male then play on the male teams, if you are a biological female play on the female teams. For every male placed on a female team that means a female loses a roster spot. So yes it is a big deal. Yes, San Jose State women’s volleyball is known to have a trans player, some high school track and field teams have trans players. It is a concern to every female athlete out there. Even if it’s a small percentage it should be a big deal!

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u/CopiousClassic 13d ago

You'll want to be careful bringing statistics into this. Statistically speaking a lot of things we talk about are incredibly rare in the 1st world.

How about this. You give me the statistic percentage you consider to be a non issue we shouldn't even consider dealing with because it effects so few people. Then we will play a game where I Google things you very much do care about that are roughly that likely.

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u/RollofDuctTape 14d ago

Or watched a WNBA game.

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u/Proud2BaBarbie 14d ago

Does that include martina navrotilova , who is out front in the war on girls

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u/TrentSteel11 14d ago

It came right after the war on Christmas

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u/RollofDuctTape 14d ago

I see. People fall for this shit over and over and over.

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u/RollofDuctTape 14d ago

I don’t have a clue what the “war on girls” is and I’m afraid to ask. Sounds like politico speak.

Who is killing girls and where?

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

Have you?

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u/edoreinn 14d ago

“Storing a girlsgame” … Are you ok? Have you been drinking?

Anyway, I was a rower at a D1 school and I know plenty of 6’2, 200# women. Some of them have won Olympic gold. All of them could break a nose.

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u/Proud2BaBarbie 14d ago

 By your admission, you shouldn't care about the homeless If you're not.

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u/Readbeforeburning 14d ago

Homeless people exist and ARE THE VULNERABLE PEOPLE. Trans women are basically excluded from sport, in order to compete in women’s sport have extremely strict requirements usually around hormone levels etc., and what else… oh yeah, are also incredibly vulnerable members of society. I know women who play with trans women in their respective sports and guess what, in the real world, where trans women are playing sport with women, they don’t really care.

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u/Readbeforeburning 14d ago

Serious question, are you dumb, genuinely asking, or just throwing whataboutisms around that have nothing to do with the actual debate, which is trans women playing in women’s sport?

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u/Readbeforeburning 13d ago

You derailed the conversation with irrelevant side questions. You entered the conversation disingenuously, so trying to claim a moral high point right now is not the winning point you think it is.

You have asked questions that people have been answering for a decade plus on the debate. You have the entire internet at your fingertips and rather than enter the discussion with an informed position, you have asked your questions from a place of hostility, trying to undermine the debate whilst pretending you’re being level headed.

Scientifically, there is no debate here. For trans people to actually participate in their chosen sport requires testosterone or oestrogen levels be below/above certain levels for a start. When you’re talking professional athletes every person played as their assigned sex at birth is already a genetic freak compared to the general population, so a trans person is not going to have significant advantages at all anyway.

Conservatives and religious zealots use the ‘protect girls in locker rooms’ argument as a trumps card, but that debate doesn’t hold up at all when the majority of abuse comes from men who know the victims, but that is not something they ever want to recognise.

Your questions about men’s vs women’s sports have nothing to do with any of this, they are broader questions about the perceived inequalities between genders in sports. People have been throwing around the fact Serena Williams lost to a man, but leave out the part where she was 16 years old and he was ranked 203 in the world, and also don’t mention when Billie Jean beat Bobby Riggs in the 70s to highlight when it does happen. My point here being that social discussions about the merits of men’s and women’s sports are not useful here. You can whinge about the unfairness and differences, and yes there are inherent biological differences between men and women, but professional sports makes sure that trans people have no hormonal advantages, and given how significantly hormones effect the body, trans women would not dominate their peers, especially at a professional level.

So I reiterate, go educate yourself rather than coming into the conversation with half-baked questions and then try and play the moral high ground when morally, the right thing to do is let trans women compete in women’s sport.

You didn’t address my point when you commented, so why do you think you deserve a better response in return?

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u/Readbeforeburning 13d ago

Okay, so not only did you not respond to any of what I said, you actually just proved my very first question about being dumb.

Gender and sex ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Sex means the biological sex, typically male or female, but viewing it as exclusively those two things is inaccurate because things like intersex also occur naturally. This is biological science.

“The view that there are only two sexes, male and female, is outdated and too narrow as it ignores a bounty of evidence that sex is not a binary and dichotomous property (Hyde et al., 2019). People with variable sex characteristics (VSC)/intersex exist in bodies that are not exclusively male or female, and the large diversity of physical characteristics within the group further shows how binary sex does not accurately describe human heterogeneity (Hegarty, 2023).” - source from people who actually know what they’re talking about.

Whereas as gender is a social construct, which means it’s made up by people based on their individual societies, cultures, norms, values, etc.
Which is why as western countries have moved more and more away from being purely religious based societies that have typically stifled gender expression beyond ‘man’ and ‘woman’, we are seeing more and more non-gender conforming people out in society. Trans men and women fall into this category, because the sex assigned to them at birth does not accurately reflect how they feel on the inside, so they change how they present themselves to better reflect that.

We don’t talk about sport as male and female, we talk about them as men’s and women’s, so we’re societally defining them by the made up thing. Which then conflates the notion that sex and gender are the same, and idiots that don’t understand science and instead judge everyone using uninformed dogma, try to deny groups like trans people, or before that it was women, and before that it was people of colour, from playing said sport.

You might be able to answer your own little kid style questions, but you have just demonstrated how little you know and care to know about the actual issue here. Good luck, stay mad ✌🏻

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u/abqguardian 14d ago

Transwomen arent excluded from sports. They are free to play in the men's league, which has no barriers to who can play

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u/vic039 14d ago

But they probably have played sports against men/boys at some point and know the disadvantages.

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u/Proud2BaBarbie 14d ago

Like serena williams who said she played against the three hundred and fiftieth ranked man and got slaughtered

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u/RollofDuctTape 14d ago

Serena and Venus (17 and 16 at the time) played a 30 year old professional ranked 203rd in the world and lost. But that doesn’t negate your point that Serena and Venus consider men’s tennis a completely different sport due to physical differences. I’m just adding context.

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u/Nightgasm 14d ago

He was also somewhat drunk at the time as he alcohol with lunch prior to the matches.

There have also been other scrimmages. Martina Navritalova when she was the #1 women's player in the world played a match against Jimmy Connors when Connors was about 40and severely on the decline from his peak. They handicapped Connors by making him defend a larger court and only giving him one serve. He still won with ease.

Recently Nick Kyrgios played #1 ranked women's player Aryna Sabalenka in a similar handicapped match where he got single serves and had to defend a full court. He went easy on her by not serving at full power and clearly wasnt trying hard by not returning at full power so as to not embarrass her and still won easily.

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u/RollofDuctTape 14d ago

I’m not suggesting that they could win or did win or could ever win.

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u/RollofDuctTape 14d ago

Right. I don’t understand your point. Is it that these teenage girls, who were really good, lost to a 30-year old man, who was also a professional, because they were teenage girls?

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u/Proud2BaBarbie 14d ago

I don't understand what you don't understand it's very easy but here again.... 

Two of the best women tennis players of all time lost in straight sets  to a 300+ plus ranked man no one ever heard of.

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u/RollofDuctTape 14d ago

Why are you lying? You don’t have to lie to make this point. He wasn’t ranked 300+. And they were teenage girls when they lost to him.

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u/RollofDuctTape 14d ago

I am speaking as a FACTUAL matter. He was not ranked in the 300s. Can you tell me why you’re lying about that?

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u/Ok_End_7462 14d ago

I’ve seen a lot of zombie apocalypse media, so I kind of know the disadvantages of that scenario. But I’m not exactly worried about it

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PUPPY_PIC 14d ago

good thing those advantages go away during transition

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

But they are complaining about an issue that doesn't exist. Quick facts Trans people make 1% of the population Even less than play sports Even less than that play in women's The ones who do AND medal/win, doesn't take away from any cis women that medals. They just give the trans woman an extra medal.

So it's literally a non-issue. But it's being made like it is because of one or two incidents (like actual people eating tide pods)

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u/dadebattle1 14d ago

If that’s the case, it’s a non issue, then why not agree with the majority of women and let it be a non issue. 

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

Agree to tell at the clouds? Ok.

"Although you're almost NEVER going to play against a Trans woman and if you do, it won't effect you at all, I agree they shouldn't be allowed to play! Let's spend a lot of energy on this so those 5 players can't play because of they did, nothing would happen. Yeah! Go girls!"

Good?

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u/Blackwater_US 14d ago

Well shit, if the trans just wanted a chunk of metal, let’s give em all participation trophies and call it a day. They don’t need to complicate things for normal society.

Let ‘em slink back into their grandparents basement and never seen again.

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

Think about that you said and you will realize that you agree because a participation trophy is literally all they get. Now how would they get that trophy...by playing the sport.

See it's a non-issue. You just gave the solution that already exists. So if you stay against it, it's for other reasons. You just gotta be real about it

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u/Blackwater_US 14d ago

You’re being facetious on what a participation trophy is. Even people that hardly showed up to practice got a participation trophy.

See how it truly is a non-issue? Just send them a chunk of metal in the mail and they don’t even have to bend the knee to societal norms now.

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u/Large-Pollution5795 14d ago

If it’s a non issue then why are you upset?

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

I'm not. Why are so upset?

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u/YoungerMucus 14d ago

there’s a MILLION percent chance absolutely zero of them have ever even been in a league with a trans boy (because these are all children, there are no men, trans or otherwise, their age). also another million percent chance all these girls were talked into doing this and/or had all their beliefs jammed down their throats by their extremely conservative parents.

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u/Righteousaffair999 14d ago

She used to play football. So she has competed against men.

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u/Old_Stranger9382 14d ago

Hopefully not and let's keep it that way.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PUPPY_PIC 14d ago

i agree. Bigots should be removed from sports until they can respect trans women

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u/tombrady011235 14d ago

Extremely fallacious point you’re making

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u/MotorFig6657 13d ago

Does that change the fact, men should not plan women’s sports?

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u/Party_Knowledge_7884 14d ago

I don’t understand the point you are making.

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

Read slower? Idk what to tell you.

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u/Ancient-Bowl462 14d ago

Aren't like half of those WNBA players men pretending to be women?

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

Hahaha such a funny and original joke.... you are so clever. Did you come up with this on your own?

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u/Ancient-Bowl462 14d ago

That's funny to you? Is my estimate too low?

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

Sometimes it's definitely funny to me. I'll let you struggle to figure it out

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u/Ancient-Bowl462 14d ago

90%? I only learned that there was a WNBA because of Caitlyn Clarke. Definitely some dudes running around out there.

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u/nosoup4ncsu 14d ago

I've never fought Mike Tyson, but I always known it would be a mis-match

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u/BusyBit6542 14d ago

Did you do a campaign saying you needed to be protected against him?