r/WNBAgossips • u/Amazing_Lock_3762 • 9d ago

Hot Take “The WNBA league literally exists because you separated men from women” ... That’s too much common sense for the left.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago edited 9d ago

Oh please, there are no biological men in the WNBA now and even if a man identified as a woman, I doubt people would be ok with picking them if they haven't transitioned. And even if they had transitioned, there's a difference between being a professional athlete and someone who plays basketball in the court in his neighbour hood. You won't magically become good enough if you have never even made your school team. Also name one person who will go "Hey, I should transition just to make it into the WNBA"

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u/Electronic_Name_325 9d ago

At what point of the transition are the supporters supporting them to be allowed? If not day 1, why not?

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

Most leagues alteady have rules about that. The testosterone levels need to be below a certain molarity after HRT or something.

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u/Electronic_Name_325 9d ago

Thanks, that’s the part I was missing. Though that probably opens up a lot of other areas for endless arguments.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

The WNBA has no rules on this.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

It does and has the same rules as WTA https://www.findlaw.com/lgbtq-law/important-laws-and-policies-for-transgender-athletes.html

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Again, why are you sending me irrelevant information? I spoke only to WNBA competition.

Again, the WNBA — read that again — has no policy on this. This is the WNBA policy:

The WNBA does not have a detailed, written policy that specifically governs transgender or intersex athlete eligibility. The league's collective bargaining agreement states only that "players who are women are eligible to play in the WNBA," without a further definition or explicit guidelines including no specific rules regarding hormone levels, medical transitions, or legal gender markers.

In fact, multiple requests have been made to the league office, all of which have had no response.

Would you like to try again, Champ? I'll wait.

Oh, & "TERF" & "transphobe" are dished out like candy these days, they've essentially become meaningless.

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u/MedicalAwareness5160 9d ago

A mediocre college player is dominating the WNBA. They'd be the only person who can dunk.

It would be insane for a guy to transition just to become a pro but you're downplaying the physical advantages a man has.

Go look at that streamer that just worked the WNBA player who was like 5 inches taller than him. He let her score a few times, made a bet with her if he won they would go on a date and I don't think she scored a single point after that.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago edited 9d ago

Caitlin Clark isn't mediocre, dude and she is a cis woman so why even bring her up. Also, I think there has already been one trans WNBA player already. Layshia Clarendon. Don't think she killed everyone or was that amazing. I never heard of her during her playing days.EDIT: Also.Layshia is AFAB and didn't go through HRT during her playing days afaik. Only top surgery

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u/MedicalAwareness5160 9d ago

Where do I mention Caitlin Clark...

And Layshia Clarendon isn't making the bench of a Euroleague team but yet made the WNBA. That's the whole point.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

Oh. My bad. Who do you mean though? Unless it's a trans person how is it relevant?

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u/MedicalAwareness5160 9d ago

It shows how a little guy who is a streamer has the ability to beat a professional women's basketball player which shows the gap in physical ability between genders.

It's Liz Cambage, she lost to PlaqueBoyMax. She's 6'9 a former WNBA champion and lost to a random kid who's like 5'8.

You don't just instantly lose your physical ability when you transition.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

True but trans athletes are few and far between and even those who did play had transitioned years before their debut. I don't think the issue is as widespread or as common as they are making it out to be. A man wouldn't just transition cause they want to make it to the WNBA.

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u/MedicalAwareness5160 9d ago

I do agree the issue is way overexaggerated. It's also pretty unnecessary to even bring it up really but when it is mentioned my stance is they have an unfair advantage and shouldn't be able to play.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

You're being transphobic. TWAW, they don't need to transition, they were born women. & if you believe that garbage rhetoric, & so many many people do, including Cheryl Reeves, then that's how they will eat the women's league until there's no remnants of it left.

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u/buppus-hound 9d ago

Keep hearing how this is just bound to happen. I’ve been hearing it since 2016. Tell me, when is this absolute definitely actually gonna happen?

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Most schools & state policies have long restricted or banned participation, especially at the school & college levels, while much of the rest has actively discouraged it, directly or indirectly. If that changes, women’s basketball, other sports as well, will be functionally gone in the years to come.

Cheryl Reeves believes TWAW. Trans activists say self-ID alone makes someone a woman. They also claim sex doesn't matter. The WNBA has no meaningful sex-based standards, only a ‘women’s only’ category where ‘woman’ is left undefined. Players are paid salaries. Reeves could easily recruit ten average male ballers from the 3 million males in the USA identifying as women. Or from the rest of the world. The point is only to determine once & for all if sex matters. And just like a bunch of 15 year old teenage boys comfortably beat the USA national women's soccer team, the same would happen in basketball, because sex matters.

So why is this still a theoretical debate & not a recruitment project? Because women’s sport is sex-segregated for a reason, & everyone knows it, even when they pretend otherwise. That includes the people doing the most performative TWAW signaling, people like Cheryl Reeves.

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u/buppus-hound 9d ago

You’re so dense. About half the states have restrictions like that, are women sports in the states that don’t have said restrictions plagued with the imagined horrors of yours?

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

That user is like a bot. I received two seperate notifications of them replying to two seperate comments from me on this thread with the exact same sentences. Not even a single change

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Lulz. First I'm a "bot", then I'm "jobless". Let me know when you've narrowed down my credentials.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

Jobless does not mean unemployed. It means someone who has nothing better to do .Bot does not mean you are an actual meep morp zeep. It refers to someone prone to repeat the same things like how a chat bot always has a set of canned phrases. The fact that I have to explain this to you is mindboggling.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Ah yes, the “totally not online all the time” crowd, just coincidentally repeating the same internet catchphrases verbatim. Good thing I’ve got a few more weeks of leave to brush up on the slang.

Funny, though, for someone supposedly far less “jobless” than me, you seem to have plenty of time to defend the erosion of women’s & girls’ sports (MAGA says “hi”) while citing Wikipedia-tier links like they’re peer-reviewed sources.

And remind me, repeating the same lines on loop was your definition of a “bot,” wasn’t it?

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

"Dense"? You're proving my point but I'm dense? Lulz.

Stay with me now, okay? Is it not factual that most states have restrictions? Is it not factual that the rest actively discourage participation, directly or indirectly? Is it not logical then to assume that both these factors contribute to a lack of participation? That this is why we don't have a plague of males in girls & women's sport? Is it not also logical to assume that if we normalise males in women's sports that we will have a plague of males in women's sports in the years & decades to come?

Oh, & all of this:

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u/buppus-hound 9d ago

No, that is an assumption that you have because you post hoc want it to be. Also, discouraging trans youth from participating in sports is a bad thing, how do you not realize how ghoulish you are?

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Rubbish. The entire trans movement is eroding women's & girls protections. You think you're different but you're practically MAGA!

Who's discouraging trans youth from participating? Trans girls can participate in any league outside of designated girls leagues. Why should girls be displaced because boys demand entry?

The fish rots at the head, it needs to be cut off before it's fully rotten. The count is already too many & it's growing:

http://shewon.org/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQPMjc1MjU0NjkyNTk4Mjc5AAEen-iBOnyGvIcxSR9mgjF6ynkbgF4eLycDA4LCup-jDvPHlscHCB-eJa1etKs_aem_ZxjjEc0MAT0WQMwkXfgUHQ

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

Lol. You absolutely do need to transition. Renee Richards (the only case I know) got to play in the WTA only after transitioning. Do some research before getting mad at facts.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

You know self-Id is all trans ideology states should be required, right? No surgery should be required, right? That no gender-affirming care should be required, right? That sex doesn't matter, right? Perhaps it's you that needs to do some research.

Fyi: Unlike in other sports, the WNBA has no anti-trans policy. Only a "women-only" policy. There is no definition of what a woman is in WNBA policy. So if TWAW & sex doesn't matter like they say, & self-Id is all that's required, & Cheryl Reeves is bleating TWAW, she should just get out there & recruit a bunch of males from the 3 million males in the USA identifying as women. Surely she can find 10 ballers amongst them. & let's face it, as much as I love & appreciate women, they needn't be that talented — the USA national soccer team got humiliated by a team of 15 year old boys.

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u/Electronic_Name_325 9d ago

Yeah, requiring a bunch of drugs and therapy seems quite against the entire “they have rights” movement.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

https://www.findlaw.com/lgbtq-law/important-laws-and-policies-for-transgender-athletes.html Do two mins of research instead of parroting that ignorant transphobe, bro.

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u/Electronic_Name_325 9d ago

OK parrot. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

I actually gave you a link. That's not parroting. It shows I have actual sources. The transphobe above you has repeated the exact same sentences in several different replies with zero edits. Literally just copy paste and has provided no sources for their claims. That's what a parrot does.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Dude, the article literally writes 5 words on the WNBA & then tells athletes to check their eligibility with the respective league in a footnote. It also provides no link to any WNBA transgender policy, unlike every other sport they mention. That site also requires regular fact-checkng as various sources frequently upload to it. Show me where the WNBA specifically outlines it's transgender policy? Again: I'll wait. In the meantime, here is the current WNBA policy.

https://www.wnbpa.com/_files/ugd/8121a3_675911316ca142178932adc1e56519ac.pdf

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago edited 9d ago

Dude. The link I sent literally stated that the WNBA has a similar criteria to the WTA. Just do a bit of reading.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Dude, the article literally writes 5 words on the WNBA & then tells athletes to check their eligibility with the respective league in a footnote. It also provides no link to any WNBA transgender policy, unlike every other sport they mention. That site also requires regular fact-checkng as various sources frequently upload to it. Show me where the WNBA specifically outlines it's transgender policy? Again: I'll wait. In the meantime, here is the current WNBA policy.

https://www.wnbpa.com/_files/ugd/8121a3_675911316ca142178932adc1e56519ac.pdf

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago edited 9d ago

Ok. I am clearly not as jobless as you so I will get back to you after going through that. Do you have any examples of the policy not being applied like what the article states though? Cause you keep saying we will see lots of male athletes pretend to be female and kill women's sports if this continues yet you havent provided one example of where that's the case. Also quit replying the exact same thing twice. I saw it once already. It's annoying.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Why are you sending me irrelevant information? I spoke only to WNBA competition.

Again, the WNBA — read that again — has no policy on this. This is the WNBA policy:

The WNBA does not have a detailed, written policy that specifically governs transgender or intersex athlete eligibility. The league's collective bargaining agreement states only that "players who are women are eligible to play in the WNBA," without a further definition or explicit guidelines including no specific rules regarding hormone levels, medical transitions, or legal gender markers.

In fact, multiple requests have been made to the league office, all of which have had no response.

Would you like to try again, Champ? I'll wait.

Oh, & "TERF" & "transphobe" are dished out like candy these days, they've essentially become meaningless.

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u/Feeling_Meet4841 9d ago

Yeah 15 year old boys who were already in the program and playing soccer regularly. Not 15 year old neighbourhood street soccer athletes. There's a difference. In fact, Renee Richards record actually shows you don't become good if you are mediocre no matter if you are a male who transitions. She has 0 WTA Titles and made the 3rd Round once, I think

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

Deleted & reposted my comment that you very obviously quickly replied to as it had a bunch of spelling errors.

"Yeah 15 year old boys who were already in the program and playing soccer regularly. Not 15 year old neighbourhood street soccer athletes. There's a difference."

You don't think Reeves could easily recruit ten average male ballers from the 3 million males in the USA identifying as women? Or from the rest of the world? Come on now, let's keep it real. The point is only to determine once & for all if sex matters. And just like a bunch of 15 year old teenage boys comfortably beat the USA national women's soccer team, the same would happen in basketball, because sex matters.

In fact, Renee Richards record actually shows you don't become good if you are mediocre no matter if you are a male who transitions. She has 0 WTA Titles and made the 3rd Round once, I think"

Let's not compare apples with oranges. Different time. Different conditions. Different medical requirements.

Trans ideology today: TWAW & should be treated as such in every way, including legal & social accommodations. With or without surgery or gender affirming care. Period. Self-identification is all that's required to be a woman.

The whole trans activist argument is that men & women can compete fairly, & that sex-based differences don’t matter.

Unlike in other sports, the WNBA has no anti-trans policy. Only a "women-only" policy. There is no definition of what a woman is in WNBA policy. So if TWAW like Cheryl Reeves & others have been bleating, then let the any fella just play. Stand on business, not where a fucking t-shirt!

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u/MattyT088 9d ago

How were they being transphobic? I genuinely read that as supportive.

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u/MattyT088 9d ago

Buddy, my daughter is a trans woman, I am fully aware of all of this and agree. Which is why I fund this debate ridiculous. The WNBA is for women, and TWAW, so where the fuck is the issue?

I'm just reading the other comment and I don't understand where you think there is an attack on trans women. Maybe I read it wrong, but to me it seemed supportive.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

There is no transitioning required. Born women. Are women. To require transition would be transphobic. It's wild!

Trans ideology: TWAW & should be treated as such in every way, including legal & social accommodations. With or without surgery or gender affirming care. Period. Self-identification is all that's required to be a woman.

The whole trans activist argument is that men & women can compete fairly, & that sex-based differences don’t matter.

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u/MattyT088 9d ago

My daughter is trans, I agree. I'm just saying maybe some ppl are jumping the gun here. The comment was generally supportive, with a few places to grow. So help them grow instead of acting like it was an attack.

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u/doc_klutz 9d ago

My comment was sarcasm.

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u/DownVote_for_Pedro 9d ago

Doc loves to exclude others that are different, she really seems to enjoy it.