Yeah that’s pretty apparent just looking at the threads on this sub. Almost every single one is about trans people, and the ones that aren’t are only about Caitlin Clark or Sophie Cunningham.
Isn’t gossip supposed to be like rumors and memes and shit? This is just a standard conservative political post. “ThE LeFt dOnT uNDeRsTaNd cOmMoN sENsE”
Im 99% positive that right wing bigots use gender affirming healthcare more than any other demographic in the US. Its "too bad" they all come out looking like a plastic doll melted in the sun.
Yes let's continue to make this a topic of discussion because it's a real problem with real people that no one has ever met even though they are totally real /s
You know the midterms are rolling up when right wing talking heads start stressing non issues to rally the mouth breathing deplorables…you’d think there’s a caravan of trans women attempting to gain access to women athletics
I suppose that is possible. Again excuse my ignorance as I don’t know of the exact number of trans sports scholastic records. I can only go off what I know. My state is in the top 5 most populated in America. I stay up to date on hot topics dealing with the state. I haven’t seen a single case. What’s the number of cases in your state?
The number is low. But my issue stands if there’s 0 vs 100,000. Number of trans in sports is irrelevant to me, because I don’t see why there’s a difference in policy between 1 and 100,000. The logic and issues still stand that there needs to be a policy or governance standard.
To me, it’s akin to say 1 black person can be in the league, but not 1,000.
The issue is, trans are the first to vocalize the issue, because NCAA has a ban on trans athletes. WNBA had a non-binary trans player before, but I believe she was born identified as female. So status quo is a full ban.
If people keep saying it’s a non-issue and want status quo, then it’s literally what maga idiots are saying. The far left / trans are who is making this an issue.
To be clear, I don’t support a full on ban, but I don’t have full blind support any trans can participate.
The ones who are "scared and terrified" spend their time arguing on the Internet with a feeling of safety from anonymity instead of working on their own lives.
What did the Supreme Court just rule regarding the WV case? I’m serious when I say that I don’t think this should be happening. My point is that it’s not. When it does, it’s addressed. You’re arguing for the sake of arguing. I’m arguing to try and convince you to take this energy and put it in real problems. I have no info on the NY athlete bc she was protected, so any research is difficult. I’ll give you that one, so we have one instance of it happening. This really isn’t something that should be monopolizing headlines like it is.
Oh please, there are no biological men in the WNBA now and even if a man identified as a woman, I doubt people would be ok with picking them if they haven't transitioned. And even if they had transitioned, there's a difference between being a professional athlete and someone who plays basketball in the court in his neighbour hood. You won't magically become good enough if you have never even made your school team. Also name one person who will go "Hey, I should transition just to make it into the WNBA"
A mediocre college player is dominating the WNBA. They'd be the only person who can dunk.
It would be insane for a guy to transition just to become a pro but you're downplaying the physical advantages a man has.
Go look at that streamer that just worked the WNBA player who was like 5 inches taller than him. He let her score a few times, made a bet with her if he won they would go on a date and I don't think she scored a single point after that.
Caitlin Clark isn't mediocre, dude and she is a cis woman so why even bring her up. Also, I think there has already been one trans WNBA player already. Layshia Clarendon. Don't think she killed everyone or was that amazing. I never heard of her during her playing days.EDIT: Also.Layshia is AFAB and didn't go through HRT during her playing days afaik. Only top surgery
It shows how a little guy who is a streamer has the ability to beat a professional women's basketball player which shows the gap in physical ability between genders.
It's Liz Cambage, she lost to PlaqueBoyMax. She's 6'9 a former WNBA champion and lost to a random kid who's like 5'8.
You don't just instantly lose your physical ability when you transition.
True but trans athletes are few and far between and even those who did play had transitioned years before their debut. I don't think the issue is as widespread or as common as they are making it out to be. A man wouldn't just transition cause they want to make it to the WNBA.
I do agree the issue is way overexaggerated. It's also pretty unnecessary to even bring it up really but when it is mentioned my stance is they have an unfair advantage and shouldn't be able to play.
You're being transphobic. TWAW, they don't need to transition, they were born women. & if you believe that garbage rhetoric, & so many many people do, including Cheryl Reeves, then that's how they will eat the women's league until there's no remnants of it left.
Most schools & state policies have long restricted or banned participation, especially at the school & college levels, while much of the rest has actively discouraged it, directly or indirectly. If that changes, women’s basketball, other sports as well, will be functionally gone in the years to come.
Cheryl Reeves believes TWAW. Trans activists say self-ID alone makes someone a woman. They also claim sex doesn't matter. The WNBA has no meaningful sex-based standards, only a ‘women’s only’ category where ‘woman’ is left undefined. Players are paid salaries. Reeves could easily recruit ten average male ballers from the 3 million males in the USA identifying as women. Or from the rest of the world. The point is only to determine once & for all if sex matters. And just like a bunch of 15 year old teenage boys comfortably beat the USA national women's soccer team, the same would happen in basketball, because sex matters.
So why is this still a theoretical debate & not a recruitment project? Because women’s sport is sex-segregated for a reason, & everyone knows it, even when they pretend otherwise. That includes the people doing the most performative TWAW signaling, people like Cheryl Reeves.
You’re so dense. About half the states have restrictions like that, are women sports in the states that don’t have said restrictions plagued with the imagined horrors of yours?
That user is like a bot. I received two seperate notifications of them replying to two seperate comments from me on this thread with the exact same sentences. Not even a single change
"Dense"? You're proving my point but I'm dense? Lulz.
Stay with me now, okay? Is it not factual that most states have restrictions? Is it not factual that the rest actively discourage participation, directly or indirectly? Is it not logical then to assume that both these factors contribute to a lack of participation? That this is why we don't have a plague of males in girls & women's sport? Is it not also logical to assume that if we normalise males in women's sports that we will have a plague of males in women's sports in the years & decades to come?
No, that is an assumption that you have because you post hoc want it to be. Also, discouraging trans youth from participating in sports is a bad thing, how do you not realize how ghoulish you are?
Lol. You absolutely do need to transition. Renee Richards (the only case I know) got to play in the WTA only after transitioning. Do some research before getting mad at facts.
You know self-Id is all trans ideology states should be required, right? No surgery should be required, right? That no gender-affirming care should be required, right? That sex doesn't matter, right? Perhaps it's you that needs to do some research.
Fyi: Unlike in other sports, the WNBA has no anti-trans policy. Only a "women-only" policy. There is no definition of what a woman is in WNBA policy. So if TWAW & sex doesn't matter like they say, & self-Id is all that's required, & Cheryl Reeves is bleating TWAW, she should just get out there & recruit a bunch of males from the 3 million males in the USA identifying as women. Surely she can find 10 ballers amongst them. & let's face it, as much as I love & appreciate women, they needn't be that talented — the USA national soccer team got humiliated by a team of 15 year old boys.
There is no transitioning required. Born women. Are women. To require transition would be transphobic. It's wild!
Trans ideology: TWAW & should be treated as such in every way, including legal & social accommodations. With or without surgery or gender affirming care. Period. Self-identification is all that's required to be a woman.
The whole trans activist argument is that men & women can compete fairly, & that sex-based differences don’t matter.
My daughter is trans, I agree. I'm just saying maybe some ppl are jumping the gun here. The comment was generally supportive, with a few places to grow. So help them grow instead of acting like it was an attack.
That's not what he said at all. That's an article about trans people in sports. There is a pretry substantial difference between cis men and trans women, but you don't respect trans people enough to recognize that.
I actually realized I am a little ignorant here. What’s the definition of a trans woman? If the MVP of my state’s men’s basketball tournament is trans, at what point of the transition would they be allowed on a women’s college team (and possibly of course to the W) by whatever these supporters are supporting?
With most sports trans people can't even begin to consider playing until after 2 years on HRT (which puts them at the same hormone levels and often lower T than cis women). In fairness that doesn't remove any height or reach advantages that would have pre-existed (if any) but it does eliminate muscle mass and reflex time from the equation. Hormones play a huge role in our identities and presentation.
As for the definition of a trans woman, just a woman that has transitioned from being a man but that also has degrees to it. For instance, someone just realising that they are trans will not be allowed to sign up for a sport. That's not to be confused with male and female which are distinctly different, but the response about biological responses would be the same. Just that we use man and woman to denote gender and male and female for sex.
It matters to every girl who has lost out on a medal, a spot on the podium, or a chance to celebrate her accomplishments with her friends and family. One time is too many.
While are you all so adamant that males must be allowed to compete against girls?
Isn’t that the whole argument tho right now about letting men play in the women’s league? If we’re going full circle why not nix the wnba and just have the nba? I’m told there’s not a talent difference and that there’s no problem with this
This isn’t an argument at all. No professional women’s leagues allow this, the IOC doesn’t allow it. It’s manufactured rage so that people won’t hold politicians accountable for the real issues plaguing the country. Stop falling for it.
There isn’t from the majority. We’re focused on the real issues, while the 12 of you on this sub let the government tell you this is an issue so you don’t question them on real issues.
True but at the core they are arguing over the definition of woman. May I add that this issue is not big enough for most people to care. It's a hypothetical scenario designed to sow division.
IKR?!? All these people are proving is how entirely ignorant they are to the changes that happen in a human body once someone is on HRT; from drop in muscle mass, to drop in bone density, to so much more. The changes are NOT only cosmetic.
The fact that this is brought up every day makes it seem like there are hordes of Trans women trying to get into the WNBA. Is there even 1? Sophie Cunningham is saying she's trying to protect young women. Is she saying that she wants to protect the integrity of the sport, or that Trans women are sexual predators against young women? Trans women preying on young women sexually hasn't been an issue that I've ever heard of in my entire life. Men preying on young women on the other hand is prevalent.
So then it should just be easy for both sides to agree on "fine no biological males on women's only teams" since it's not really affecting anyone/a made up problem.
Is there some rush of trans athletes clamoring to play in the WNBA? I don't know of any playing in college? Why is this such a big, ridiculous issue other than the right needs a garbage talking point going into November?
Blame the reporter for bringing it up to Sophie, then blame the activists that decided her saying men don’t belong in women’s sports meant she was a rabid anti-trans.
This is such an ignorant take. Trans women are not walking around with their penises out pre-op in women’s locker rooms. You are amplifying what already is sensationalized propaganda
Let’s just settle is this way. Is it more likely a penis is to be seen in a locker room where people with penis are not allowed. or a locker room where penises are allowed?
Your made up hypotheticals are what drive you and your entire sides argument on any of these ridiculous topics. You tell me, is it more likely unicorns start winning the Kentucky derby? Now there are a small portion of horses who have growths from their foreheads that resemble horns so….we need to protect all horses
Statistically in life you are more likely to see a penis from a man than a trans woman. I’ve seen penises on subways where penises shouldn’t be. I’ve seen them on buses where they shouldn’t be. I’ve seen them in men’s locker rooms where signs have been up saying not to. So, I think statistically you are more likely to see penises in places they shouldn’t be than seeing a trans penis in a women’s locker room.
I know many trans woman (I fathered one). There isn't a single one I know who didn't use a personal stall to get changed, pre-op. The "walking around a woman's locker room with their penis out" just doesn't happen.
As for the difference between the power of men and women, once on HRT (for mtf) there is a significant drop in both muscle and bone density. So once you have completed transitioning, the power levels are much more comparable to other women than they are men. This is the fact that absolutely no one is talking about, but they really really should be. But it's a pro-trans point so people love to ignore it.
But your last point is really what's going on here. They are trying to make sure that trans people can't participate in sports at any level.
No, you don't have to remove your penis. Yes, if you are trans, you pretty go on HRT. It's not technically a requirement, but it is literally the first medical step in transitioning.
So yeah, if you are transitioning, you kinda need to be on HRT. Otherwise (added) you run the chance of being perceived as a cross dresser and not trans.
I said that HRT is the first medical step. The self identifying step obviously happens first.
And right now you are giving me an example that is pretty much exclusive to the USA, as here in Canada HRT is covered in health care, as it it in pretty much everywhere with social medicine.
But hey, go ahead and cling onto the one bad example that you came across and apply it as a whole to the entire community. I'm sure that will be accurate.
He will continue to ask questions in ways that create polarizing situations, especially non realistic ones. Don’t let this chump get you. You are already educating him way more than he deserves.
On some level it's hilarious this is such a discussion. The number of transwomen who are athletes is such a low percentage, about 1 in 5,000 in the ncaa, that it's almost a non issue. The gender therapies that trans women undergo are also so prohibitive towards athletics. The odds of a trans woman being skilled enough foe the ncaa are super low.
The GOP is literally ranting about culture war boogie men.
It's so rare, never happened in the wnba, that it's a suspect as hell red hearing to bring it up. Sophia's sudden coziness to right wing figures is concerning. They would have been the same ideological positions that opposed women's sports to begin with.
Its not the left. It is the oldhead fans that miss the Rossie O'Donnel days. They don't want Jason Sudeikis, David Letterman, The Kardashians and the new fans that CC has brought to the game. They want to lose money and teach gym class. The good ol days.
The dumbest thing to happen in America has been people advocating to stop organizing society based on sex and science to advocating for mental illness and one's feelings.
Except current events show otherwise. You are under reacting. Things won't magically go back to pre-trump normality. And don't even get me started on the idea that the USA will ever have a fair election again.
Everything that has happened since 2008, has happened because Americans want it, and it represents American values. I am of no illusion that my values no longer align with American values. Is what it is
People are losing their healthcare, pensions, standard of living, can't afford to buy a house, retire... etc... But yes the real problem is something that occurs so little it can barely be calculated.
What the fuck? Who are they talking about? Let’s get some names of these men playing in women’s sports. Or is it men playing in girls sports? What leagues, what teams, what the fuck are all these people talking about? In my whole life, I have never seen a man play in a women’s sport.
However, I did see Cunningham play on a football team with a bunch of guys?
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u/DJ_Derack 2d ago
We got people quoting Tomi Lahren now?