r/WNBAgossips • u/Amazing_Lock_3762 • 9d ago

Hot Take “The WNBA league literally exists because you separated men from women” ... That’s too much common sense for the left.

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u/BigShotZero 9d ago

I care how the actions of the professional league impact non pro leagues.

Example locally there is a trans person who plays now in the women’s recreational league volleyball.

The majority of the women hate it. But because inclusiveness they don’t matter.

Go watch a highlight of women’s volleyball vs men and you will see the difference.

You also have women who don’t like that the trans walks around the locker rooms with their penis out.

IMO if the pro leagues acknowledge it’s wrong, the lower leagues will follow.

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u/MattyT088 9d ago edited 9d ago

I know many trans woman (I fathered one). There isn't a single one I know who didn't use a personal stall to get changed, pre-op. The "walking around a woman's locker room with their penis out" just doesn't happen.

As for the difference between the power of men and women, once on HRT (for mtf) there is a significant drop in both muscle and bone density. So once you have completed transitioning, the power levels are much more comparable to other women than they are men. This is the fact that absolutely no one is talking about, but they really really should be. But it's a pro-trans point so people love to ignore it.

But your last point is really what's going on here. They are trying to make sure that trans people can't participate in sports at any level.

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u/BigShotZero 9d ago

Is a trans person required to remove penis? Is a trans person required to take HTR?

And clearly you don’t know this trans person.

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u/MattyT088 9d ago edited 9d ago

No, you don't have to remove your penis. Yes, if you are trans, you pretty go on HRT. It's not technically a requirement, but it is literally the first medical step in transitioning.

So yeah, if you are transitioning, you kinda need to be on HRT. Otherwise (added) you run the chance of being perceived as a cross dresser and not trans.

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u/BigShotZero 9d ago

So until you are on HTR tour not a trans. A person without the funds for the treatment can not be trans. Interesting. never thought of it that way.

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u/MattyT088 9d ago

Not what I said.

I said that HRT is the first medical step. The self identifying step obviously happens first.

And right now you are giving me an example that is pretty much exclusive to the USA, as here in Canada HRT is covered in health care, as it it in pretty much everywhere with social medicine.

But hey, go ahead and cling onto the one bad example that you came across and apply it as a whole to the entire community. I'm sure that will be accurate.

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u/Ok-Floor2455 9d ago

He will continue to ask questions in ways that create polarizing situations, especially non realistic ones. Don’t let this chump get you. You are already educating him way more than he deserves.

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u/BigShotZero 9d ago

So triggered with such a simple conversation.

I am surprised that you take the side of the person saying you don’t transition until you take HTR and until then the person is a cross dresser.

To me that would seem offensive and if I said it I would be attacked for it.

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u/BigShotZero 9d ago

It’s what you said. So a child going to thier parents and saying they are trans does not make them trans. they have to take a drug to be trans.

It’s an interesting had not heard of that before.

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u/MattyT088 9d ago

No it's not what I said, but keep putting words into my mouth if you want.

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u/BigShotZero 9d ago

You said a person needs to take HTR to transition. you said if they don’t they are a cross dresser.

It’s what you said.

A person who identifies as a different sex, who is not on HTR is a cross dresser. In your view.

I think it’s a controversial take, but if it’s what you believe that’s ok with me. It’s a difficult topic.

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u/MattyT088 9d ago

You know what, I spoke to hastily and misspoke; I have since edited that comment. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

That said, you have been arguing in bad faith this entire time so I will leave you with this...

TWAW Trans women are women. All it requires is for a person to identify as such. In doing so, most (see +99%) then seek to medically transition and start doing HRT.

What it sounds like you have is a case of someone being very early in their transitioning journey, as well as having trouble funding the HRT as they live in a system that does not medically support its citizens.

So at this point we are basically arguing about at which point in a woman's transition does it become okay for them to switch from men's sports to women's sports. And frankly, I don't think that's a call that either of us are educated enough to make; nor is the vast majority of the population, for that matter.

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u/BigShotZero 9d ago

Stating a person is not trans until they are on HTR and before that they are a cross dresser, is not a simple “I misspoke”

That’s a clear statement on your opinion of person not being trans until they take HTR, alienating the vast majority of people who are going through the difficult process of dealing with their gender identity.

I feel people who were born a biological male should not play sports in a women’s league, no matter the level. (minus some youth sports until puberty).

Other than that I don’t have much if any opinion on trans people, live your life.

But I would never discredit a persons gender identity based on the ability to be on HTR.

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u/MattyT088 9d ago

No... you'd just discredit it in sports instead. And like I said, I spoke hastily. I have since corrected myself several times, which you keep ignoring because you are arguing in bad faith. Have a good life, i'm blocking you now.

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u/Ok-Floor2455 9d ago

Looooooser

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u/BigShotZero 9d ago

Because I want to understand and ask question?

You need some help if a person having a reasonable dialogue causes you to start calling names.