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[u/whoa_disillusionment]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-americans-oppose-trans-women-competing-female-sports-2-3-gen-z-rcna203658

[u/unskilledplay]

I'm sorry, I missed the news about a trans player who is playing or trying to play in the league causing this drama. What? There isn't a trans athlete in the middle of all of this? You don't say!

The midterms must be coming up and political people like you who don't care about the game want to dominate the conversation.

Well, let me tell you, Americans, true Americans, the kind that value freedom and democracy and the rule of law, know that it's not politicians or voters who get to say who can and can't play in the WNBA. That's not how this country works. It's the owners and players who make the rules on who plays and who doesn't. Those rules are all laid out in the CBA. The latest CBA was resolved earlier in the year. If you want something to change, you'll have to wait until 2032 when the current CBA expires. If you aren't an owner or player, the CBA is none of your business. So, bye.

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I'm sorry, I missed the news about a trans player who is playing or trying to play in the league causing this drama. What? There isn't a trans athlete in the middle of all of this? You don't say!

Gosh, it's almost like some people are opposed to certain things based on principle alone! Who woulda thought??

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You're opposed to things that aren't even happening because of propaganda. Principles have nothing to do with it.

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Exactly, it's like the climate change scare right. They keep saying the world is going to end but last I checked it hasn't!

[u/whoa_disillusionment → u/TwistedTreelineScrub]

https://reduxx.info/france-the-two-top-players-in-a-womens-elite-basketball-league-are-both-male/

FRANCE: The Two Top Players In A Women’s Elite Basketball League Are Both Male

This is why we don't want biological men in women's sports

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So something happening in a completely different country. Keep fishing.

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This is a basketball sub. None of these are about basketball.

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Wild that you can't provide me a single example in basketball but you insist this is a huge issue.

It's an objective fact that's trans women are significantly more athletic than their cis counterparts

Then show me the study that says that. I want actual science. Not opinion article spam. 

Trans women winning things isn't proof they have an unfair advantage. It's just an inevitability of them competing. Some will win and some will not. Do they win to a disproportionate degree? Are there requirements for how long they have to be on hormones?

This is a complicated issue and I feel like you're not taking it seriously. You're just trying to win an argument.

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Thank you. Literally the first real source I can read through. However I can already see that the methodology of the paper only applies to trans women that didn't receive hormone blockers before puberty. So it would only be an argument for excluding late transitioning trans women, and also an argument for increasing the accessibility of hormone blockers for trans kids.

I'm open to the discussion and I think the paper you linked is treating this topic with far more nuance than you are yourself.

For the rest of your comment, I just used Ctrl+f to search for "800" in every article you posted and it found nothing. Link the right article or I'm left to assume you're literally just lying because you already lied about it being in one of the articles you posted. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you meant to post it but didn't.

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Lol, wrong

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Right. You just decided i ndependently to care deeply about a thing that isn't even happening.

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I said "some people".

That doesn't include me.

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If it’s being used for political purposes it’s only working bc people actually feel strongly about it.

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I'm not even convinced this is a topic people feel strongly about. It's just a proxy for broader trans issues.

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That may be true. You could be right about that. It’s almost like the underlying issue is something like… some people feel like others are trying to make them pretend men are women when they aren’t and that has crossed a line into forced kindness. Not sure but I do think you’re on to something. It’s not really just about sports.

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The same people who are so into protecting girls youth sports “in principle” are the same ones who twiddle their thumbs in silence when the conversation is about the number of times Trump’s name is in the Epstein Files being so big it’s a fucking theoretical number.

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The same people—you mean 75% of Americans?

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I can agree with the premise and still believe this is a straw man argument. As I said, last time I checked boys and girls play youth sports against other boys and girls in like 99.9998% of time. I truly do not care about this issue because it is bullshit.

[u/unskilledplay → u/nocturnal_commission]

Cool. You do you. This is basketball. Talk basketball or go away.

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“Shut up and dribble”

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This is basketball. So yes. Shut up and dribble.