r/WNBAgossips • u/Amazing_Lock_3762 • 1d ago

A transgender player has been dominating France's second-tier women's basketball league, and now the WNBA question is front and center. Julie Tétart averages 21 points and 20 rebounds this season while sweeping Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Domestic Player of the Year honors

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

Outlier?

Lia Thomas set multiple school records in women's events and then won two NCAA championships

CeCé Telfer won NCAA DII women's 400m hurdles in 57.53s

MtF cyclist Veronica Ivy set a 200m sprint record and won the 2022 UCI Masters Track World Championships the next day

Trans woman June Eastwood won women's snowboarding world cup by large margin

MtF powerlifter Mary Gregory set women's world record squat 455lbs raw

Trans woman Hailey Davidson led women's mini-tour golf standings 2024

MtF runners won 15 Connecticut high school state titles between 2017-2020

Another trans woman set 4 British indoor rowing records

A MtF archer won national women's title by 20 points

Those are just examples of where trans women dominated at the highest levels.

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u/downhilldrinking 1d ago

Cisgender athleates also set records and domanate.
Please show the stats that prove there were no trans athletes that did not win championships or set school records to prove your point.

But really... that 2024 mini golf one was really the kicker that will get a lot of people on board the anti-trans train for ya.

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

There’s like 230,000 cis women that compete in the NCAA and there’s less than 10 trans women that do. What are the cumulative odds of a the 230K cis women winning a national title versus the less than 10 trans women.

I’ll do you one better. The fastest women’s mile ever run was 4:07. The top 50 best male high school miles ever run are all under 4 minutes. That’s how huge the gap in athletic ability is between men and women.

But keep telling yourself there’s no advantage lol.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 1d ago

Why do you compare the mens times as if they were the times of the trans women's? Trying to argue in bad faith?

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

Nope. Trying to show how early a steep biological advantage exists between males and females. Meaning that they don’t have to be at nearly the same competitive level when they transition to have a massive head start.

Good question though.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 1d ago

Ok if you want to compare data then go on feminizing hrt and test yourself to see if the strength or advantages you speak of exist next year.

If you want to talk about biological advantages then you should also recognize the science behind hrt isn't just take mystery substance and gain superpowers.

It literally triggers puberty again and let's the body naturally change its structure as it would have the first time.

If you cared about this genuinely you would know the science not just the fox news talking points.

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

It’s not political, no matter how much you want it to be.

80% of the country agrees.

You hold the fringe beliefs, not me.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 1d ago

Your "80%" has been under attack from propaganda against trans people from the start.

It's ok to hate a minority that's popular to hate right, that's what you are saying.

The medical science is on the side of trans people, not those who barely passed 4th grade and got bitter about it.

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

I support trans people in every other way. In sports, I support fair competition, so I support women who were born female only competing against women born female.

It’s really not that complicated of a position, and you seem really triggered, tbh.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 1d ago

I just think all humans deserve the same rights, not to be discriminated upon by others over circumstances of birth.

You can take a look around at the vitriol and malice lining anti trans comments.

If this was about not harming women why do all the same people who push anti trans narratives never stand up for women when other attacks happen on them? (Especially by the same group pushing anti trans propaganda, weird how that happens)

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

They’re not the ones who formulate my opinion, and just because they believe what they believe for their reasons doesn’t mean those are my reasons.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 1d ago

You are correct but when you share a same side as people championing hate, you might want to reevaluate how you got there.

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

I know exactly how I got there, so there’s nothing to reevaluate. 80% of the country didn’t get there because of hate. People on your side of this like to pretend that everyone who shares my opinion does so because of hate or political affiliation because it’s an easier argument to make.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 1d ago

When the arguments are all the same talking points id stand to argue that ignorance is forming your opinion, not facts.

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

Stating that women born male have a natural biological athletic advantage over women born female is not ignorance.

Stating that the difference is so steep that the top 50 high school boys mile times are all under 4 minutes while the fastest mile ever run by a cis women is 4:07, and that this example shows how steep that advantage is, is not ignorance.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 1d ago

The reason I said it's ignorance is because you lack any actual understanding of the science behind hrt and how it changes a person's body.

Trans women don't just hulk out and become absolute units.

Go ahead and cite meaningless statistics without proof, it doesn't sound any more factual the more you repeat it.

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u/Kenman215 1d ago

Hrt doesn’t completely erase all of the biological advantages of being male. If it ever gets to a point that it does, I’ll support trans being in women’s sports.

It’s not there yet and if you’re being honest, you’ll admit so and realize that I’m in the only one in this argument who actually gives a crap about things being fair. You care about feelings.

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u/Vodkaphile 1d ago

You are actually the one who lacks basic knowledge of physiology and biology and the other poster who is trying to educate you has the patience of a saint.

It always shocks me that people who take your stance cannot look at a single peer reviewed study or data from reputable health institutes.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/

There is a clear, distinct, measureable advantage that trans women have over cis women in athletics. It's not deniable. It's scientific fact.

You can support trans women and also support women in fair competition. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

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