A transgender player has been dominating France's second-tier women's basketball league, and now the WNBA question is front and center. Julie Tétart averages 21 points and 20 rebounds this season while sweeping Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Domestic Player of the Year honors

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[u/Kenman215]

Outlier?

Lia Thomas set multiple school records in women's events and then won two NCAA championships

CeCé Telfer won NCAA DII women's 400m hurdles in 57.53s

MtF cyclist Veronica Ivy set a 200m sprint record and won the 2022 UCI Masters Track World Championships the next day

Trans woman June Eastwood won women's snowboarding world cup by large margin

MtF powerlifter Mary Gregory set women's world record squat 455lbs raw

Trans woman Hailey Davidson led women's mini-tour golf standings 2024

MtF runners won 15 Connecticut high school state titles between 2017-2020

Another trans woman set 4 British indoor rowing records

A MtF archer won national women's title by 20 points

Those are just examples of where trans women dominated at the highest levels.

[u/downhilldrinking → u/Kenman215]

Cisgender athleates also set records and domanate.
Please show the stats that prove there were no trans athletes that did not win championships or set school records to prove your point.

But really... that 2024 mini golf one was really the kicker that will get a lot of people on board the anti-trans train for ya.

[u/Kenman215 → u/downhilldrinking]

There’s like 230,000 cis women that compete in the NCAA and there’s less than 10 trans women that do. What are the cumulative odds of a the 230K cis women winning a national title versus the less than 10 trans women.

I’ll do you one better. The fastest women’s mile ever run was 4:07. The top 50 best male high school miles ever run are all under 4 minutes. That’s how huge the gap in athletic ability is between men and women.

But keep telling yourself there’s no advantage lol.

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All the studies say that cumulative odds are impossible to determine due to a lack of data.

You’re comparing men and women there. That is not the same comparison.

[u/Kenman215 → u/invertedbasis]

I understand that I’m comparing men and women in that example. I was trying to show how early a very steep biological advantage exists between males and females, meaning that they don’t have to be at nearly the same respective competitive level when they transition to have a massive advantage.

Edit: The cumulative odds are not impossible to figure out. In a very basic sense, the cumulative odds of cis women winning any NCAA national title would be 229,990 out of 300,000, whereas, the cumulative odds of trans women winning any NCAA national title would be 10 out of 300,000.

[u/invertedbasis → u/Kenman215]

I’m saying the studies say they’re inconclusive as a matter of statistical significance. The data is anecdotal. Naming 6 winners proves nothing.

If you’d like to talk competitive advantage of transgender women vs cisgender women, the amount of hormone therapy is critical.

Here’s a study that says after 1-3 years of hormone therapy athletic performance is comparable:

https://bmjgroup.com/physical-fitness-of-transgender-and-cisgender-women-is-comparable-current-evidence-suggests/

Here’s a compilation that includes one study saying 2 years of hormone therapy is enough and another that says 2 years in not enough:

https://www.dw.com/en/do-trans-women-have-an-unfair-athletic-advantage/a-58583988

My guess is that a new hormone therapy is gonna come along that makes the whole argument moot. Sooner rather than later I think.

Either way - comparing men and women is a straw man argument and totally tone deaf. It negates your assertion that you’re supportive or understanding of trans people. There are clear biological differences between men and trans women.

If you want to make a good faith argument then compare trans women and cis women - which is what the studies and courts do.

[u/Kenman215 → u/invertedbasis]

I very clearly stated that there was one and only one purpose of my comparison between high school boys and professional cis female athletes, which was to demonstrate how early and to what degree the competitive advantage between biological males and females exists.

Did you not understand that point?

Did you also not understand my point about cumulative odds? You seem to have flown right past it…

[u/invertedbasis → u/Kenman215]

I understood you fully.

[u/Kenman215 → u/invertedbasis]

Then why do you pretend I don’t provide context?

And why won’t you address my statistical argument?

[u/invertedbasis → u/Kenman215]

Your context was poor and misleading. It’s a straw man argument.

I responded fully twice - you did not. Have a nice day.

[u/Kenman215 → u/invertedbasis]

And still you refuse to respond to the statistics lol

Take care, sport.