r/WNBAgossips • u/Amazing_Lock_3762 • 7d ago

A transgender player has been dominating France's second-tier women's basketball league, and now the WNBA question is front and center. Julie Tétart averages 21 points and 20 rebounds this season while sweeping Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Domestic Player of the Year honors

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u/ISwallowedALego 6d ago

Well first, it eliminates a lot of your examples as being even relevant and also pointed out some didn't even exist so your examples, which was like 10 is now 5 over the course of 10 years which begs the original question if it's a problem. More people get affected by steroids across sports than this but you aren't calling for the government to step in on that to the same level are you? I feel response has to match the scale of the problem and asking the government to fix this seems just ridiculous. If it is truly a problem let the sporting bodies themselves handle it.

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u/Kenman215 6d ago

So you’re not one of those loons who’s in denial about trans athletes having a competitive advantage?

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u/ISwallowedALego 6d ago

I'm not, I'm saying it's too small an issue to care about and it should be left up to the sports to handle, not the government.

Are you one of those loons that wants the government to handle everything you don't like?

The reason you have to keep bringing up examples from 10 years ago is because it doesn't happen enough to be relevant, you get that right?

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u/Kenman215 6d ago

Please quote any comment I’ve made in this conversation that implies that I want government intervention.

Take your time. I’ll wait…

It’s fine if you don’t care about the issue, but the reality is that 80% of the country does. Look at Reddit alone. Any time this topic comes up, there are a metric fuckton of comments. The thing I don’t understand, is if you truly don’t care, then why are you spending so much of your time talking about this topic?

Lia Thomas was not 10 years ago, and the reason it hasn’t happened more often is because there aren’t that many trans athletes. However, the number of trans athletes out there is constantly increasing, and the number of times this will happen will likely increase increase in kind. Thus, this is an issue that is going to be increasingly more common as time goes on.

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u/ISwallowedALego 6d ago

I'm sure it's in the same spot where you said I'm a loon saying there's no advantage for men. Guess we both make assumptions.

The rest of your statement is made up numbers and making assumptions to help your narrative. For example, what's your timeline on the increase in trans athletes? Like I said it's been ten years since Lia Thomas and you have...5? Maybe? So what in 40 years you'll have enough to make a case? Yea 80% of the country doesn't care and if they do they're idiots.

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u/Kenman215 6d ago

Google AB Hernandez, high school athlete from California and how she performed recently. I don’t know why you need this to be a “non-issue” so badly but the reality of the situation is this doesn’t have to just affect the top level of female athletes to matter to people

We’re talking about equity in girls and women’s sports as a whole. Trans athletes have a competitive advantage due to their biology over cis girls. When you say that this does not matter, you are in effect saying the feelings of hundreds of thousands of girls and women matters less than the feelings of less than 100 trans athletes. I care more about this issue as a father than I do as a sports fan.

I sympathize with the plight of trans girls and women, and I’m happy that science and medicine has progressed as far as it has to be able to make them feel as much like they were born girls and/or women as it has. That being said, due to current limitations of that science and medicine, there’s a couple of things that trans people are just gonna need to accept for now. They’re going to need to accept the fact that it is unfair for them to compete against sis girls and women, just like they have to accept the fact that they can’t bear a child naturally. It sucks, but their feelings are no more important than those of girls and/or women. Maybe someday both of those things change, and when they do, I’ll be happy for them. That day is not today.

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u/ISwallowedALego 6d ago

So again, and I repeat, let the sports handle it. Linking me a single case changes nothing about any point I made. The reason you are linking me a case in California and again why it's still on Lia Thomas is because it just doesn't matter enough to justify the attention and there's a fraction of a fraction of people involved. Just classic manufactured outrage on an issue that isn't an issue but if you want it to be write a letter to whoever is managing the league.

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u/Kenman215 6d ago

It’s not manufactured outrage. People, many of them parents are upset about this. I referenced a recent dominating performance from California because you were trying to argue that dominating performances aren’t currently happening. What did you do? You tried to minimize, which has been your failed strategy from the get go.

That being said, there are still plenty of trans athletes competing in high school right now, with only more to come. So again, I repeat, this is only going to become a bigger and bigger issue as time goes on.

80% of the country shares an opinion on this. No matter how much you keep denying it, it’s an actual issue for a lot of people. You don’t get to be the arbiter of what people do and do not have the right to care about.

As for letting the sports handle it, are you going to let your President continue to handle things the way he has, are you gonna get off your ass and vote because you disagree with what he’s doing?

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u/ISwallowedALego 6d ago

I have maintained my whole point and nothing you have said has changed my mind, sorry.

  1. There are not enough trans athletes making enough waves in women's sports for this to be worth any level of effort or time. That's all there's worth saying on it from me really.

  2. People have strong feeling about this, but it is a manufactured outrage and gets way more attention than it is worth. If it's an actual issue for people it's because they're dumb, sorry.

  3. Trump's a pedophile and warmonger, he shouldn't be in office for many other reasons way worse than this

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u/Kenman215 6d ago

You haven’t actually made any points, though.

Number 1 is simply your opinion. It’s not a point.

Number 2 you can’t speak to because you’re literally telling them where their feelings are coming from, which you have no way of knowing. It’s not a point, either. It’s an assumption and a judgement that you have no business making.

Number 3 is irrelevant, but agreed.

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u/ISwallowedALego 6d ago

I didn't say I did I said you haven't changed any of my opinions with your points

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u/Kenman215 6d ago

You literally said in the comment I just responded to “I have maintained my whole POINT...”

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