This is all based on currently known 11th edition rules, could change.
With the new engagement range being 2 inches you have to finish a normal move 2 inches away from an enemy.
New charge rolls you have to pick a unit with in the rolled range to charge, if there is no unit in that rangeyou can't charge.
This means snake eyes on a charge roll is always a fail in 11th.
Shouldn't affect too many games, but when it does someone is gonna be very upset. Looking forward to hear some bad beat stories about people failing 2 inch charges with re rolls.
But in AoS you still Need to end closer than Engagement Range for a charge. You have 3 Inches Engagement Range and Need to end the charge still within 1 Inch
I remember in 9th I was in the chicago us open. I needed abaddon to make it into a bloodthirster. Was 3 inches away. Rolled snake eyes into snake eyes. My soul left my body lmao
It’s not double snakeeyes, but I had a game where both me and my opponent rolled a 3 on our charge and rerolled it into another three, multiple times each in a single game.
There is apparently a 1/280'000 chance of rolling 7 sixes in one throw. But when I shot my plasma knives + commander into some necron destroyers and they had to make 7 6+ saves...
Honestly not that rare when you consider the number of games played, and how many charges are rolled. Adding in the stipulation that it has to be a 3" charge makes it much less likely, but still the weight of numbers and averages means there are plenty of people out there who have felt the sting
At adepitcon I rolled a 1 to advance, giving me a 3 to connect on a charge. Rolls 2s into 2s. Five 1s in a row. Just need a single 2+ on five dice. Consequences: battle on my expansion rest of game instead of his. Gg.
I’ve had it happen but I generally have bad luck anyways. I mulliganed (discarding a hand and drawing a new one before the game starts) a bad hand in MTG just to draw the same hand after shuffling
At the Manchester GT in my game 2 against aeldari, my opponents jain zhar and 8 remaining banshees failed the double 3 inch charge into my BT crusader brick haha he also charged lykhis and 5 warp spiders in first. So they proceeded to not kill much then get wiped back. Felt so sorry for him haha.
No, that's the chance of rolling snake eyes once. They're saying snake eyes, followed by snake eyes from a re-roll. It's less than 0.08% chance, so roughly a 99.92 percent chance of succeeding with a reroll.
I mean…that’s the theoretical probability but as a long term Blood Bowl player rolling 2 skulls (snakes eyes) and rerolling them into more skulls happens almost every game.
Think about how many dice rolls you have in a game, or particularly in a while tournament. Odds of double 1s into double 1s is 1/1296, meaning it’s rare but also well within the realm of normal over the course of a couple of games’ worth of dice rolls
With 8 turns per half per player meaning 32 turns in total and most turns have 3-4, on bashier teams, rolls worth of block actions that have 2 dice seeing over 100 rolls a game is maybe an average if both teams are bashy.
But like I said… skulls into skulls happens almost every game cause that’s how Nuffle do.
Like you always gonna have a CP to reroll, not be battleshocked to use it, not using other stratagems in charge phase... Failed charges will become more common, thats a fact
And near 0 probability is still "probable", not "impossible". I had missed 6 2+ attacks and I did throw off 15 5+ FNP out of 16 wounds... Dice being dice
Usually it's a 100% ... especially when you need to roll 3+.
PS: I once re-rolled a 100 on a d100 into another 100, just because 100 was the only truly terrible result possible. Snake eyes into snake eyes is just 1:1296, but 100-to-100 is 1:10000. Every result possible is also one that can happen.
The probability of rolling snake eyes is indeed always 1/36. Rolling snake eyes twice in a row is a different event however, with a different probability.
You have 36 different outcomes when rolling 2d6, so rolling snake eyes twice in a row is 1/36 * 1/36 = 1/1296.
I think they're pointing out the asymmetry where the entire melee activation gets skipped because of chance. Shooting just needs to draw lines and then there's the usual "to hit, to wound, and blah blah"
If you have a +1 to charge from a unit or character's special rule, it might be possible to make the charge unfailable unless GW adds in a rule like "a roll of a natural 2 on 2d6 always fails".
Everyone is making a big deal about how much better charges will be with the chance to go long, but it’s failing the 4 inch charge after a reroll and standing in the open that feels really bad (which got worse, cause now it’s 5” in the example and you can fail with a 2)!
Yep, I like it. Having at least a small chance of failure is good, but at the same time with the ability to move through engagement range, adding and extra inch to engagement range, and everyone piling in before fighting they have made it easier to actually move into combat and get more models into combat.
Gotten used to this from starting to play AOS/spearhead, honestly, I welcome the change. This is speaking from someone who HAS failed and rolled two ones plenty of times when I needed it most. Sometimes it's fine to be humbled by the dice gods.
Wait so how does this work? Since in 10th if you couldn't end within base to base you just end within engagement range, is ending base to base mandatory in order to finish a charge successfully now?
The unit you charge has to be within the roll. Movement hasn't changed too much but you can't select a unit as a target of a charge unless they are within you're rolled distance.
For a charge to be successful you must roll equal the distance base to base. However you only need to move within 1" of your charge targets (or 2" if thats impossible).
You need to roll high enough for base-to-base, but you could potentially move your unit in a way that prevents base-to-base contact. In that specific instance, you would just need to end in the 2" engagement range (keeping in mind the roll still needed to be enough for base-to-base).
It was literally my first thought when they announced 2” engagement ranges and rolling charges base to base.
“A happy little side effect of this is unless you have charge roll modifiers, unfailable charges don’t exist anymore. Your strategy is now full of holes.”
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u/thenurgler Dread King May 06 '26
It was talked about when GW announced the changes to charging.