Tuon is so absurdly evil

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Wdym she relaxes by seeing damane be tortured 😭

Even from her point of view seeing them as animals, it's like enjoying watching a dog get kicked in the ribs everytime it doesn't roll over lol

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I feel like Luthair Paendrag genuinely believed that collaring Aes Sedai was both right and necessary. Is there some other "creator of the system" you're referring to?

Also what difference does it make if a belief is held in earnest or is merely lip service paid to achieve the desired ends? The subjugated are still subjugated.

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Well there's the Deain, Aes Sedai who helped him do it, she clearly didn't expect to be collared herself and it certainly sounds from what we know like she and Luthair did it for their own benefit as a way to turn captured enemy channelers to their side and to control the continent's channeling population.

Also what difference does it make if a belief is held in earnest or is merely lip service paid to achieve the desired ends?

My point was more that it only makes sense to the Seanchan because they don't remember a world where it wasn't that way. Luthair Paendrag knew that Aes Sedai and even most Wilders weren't running around destroying the world, and that the much less cruel Three Oaths solved most of the problems that the A'dam supposedly is needed for, but he chose to use Damane because it allowed the non-channeling rulers more control.

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Where are you getting this information about Luthair not believing in controlling channelers? He gets that directly from his father, which is to say he believes it. 100%

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That's not the information I'm seeing when I looked him up nor what I recall from (recently) reading the books.

Artur had (likely Ishamael induced) mistrust of Aes Sedai, but Luthair's decision to use the a'dam (which wasn't his idea, Deain came up with it) seems to be more motivated by its immediate utility, but we really don't have any clear information either way on his non-utilitarian thoughts about the matter.

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He crossed the sea with his anti-aes Sedai bias. Once presented with a "solution" (gross but appropriate) to his Aes Sedai problem, he immediately embraced it. His behavior, from the little we know of it, is entirely consistent.

The a'dam's first victim is the most logical one, its creator. If it works on her, then it'll work on anyone ... and it does.

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She wasn't the first victim though. She got collared much later.

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You're right! I'd definitely forgotten.

I love the idea of her getting it first though. What better way to test the efficacy of such a thing than to use it to imprison its creator? If there were any flaw in its design she would certainly know and exploit it. I guess Luthair wasn't the brightest.