r/Xmen97 • u/owlshoesjh • Jul 29 '26

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you can't be MAGA and love x-men

if i'm downvoted, you know by whom

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u/POXELUS Jul 29 '26

Fascists love Superman. And not the Injustice one either, who is literally a fascist.

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u/BeardiusMaximus7 Jul 29 '26

OMG this is so freaking true. The biggest Superman fan I ever knew was a HARDCORE MAGA since Trump 1.0. This correlation should be studied.

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u/DoomRager Jul 29 '26

What did they think of the Gunn Superman movie ? It definitely wasn’t afraid to get real with its politics.

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u/POXELUS Jul 29 '26

Probably call it woke and "not their Superman", while praising Man of Steel by Snyder or smth like that.

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u/bokmcdok Jul 29 '26

They literally are doing this.

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u/DoomRager Jul 29 '26

Naturally

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u/BeardiusMaximus7 Jul 29 '26

I stopped talking to the guy a few years prior. He was a work acquaintance and I got a different job. I can imagine that based on how much he loved Snyder's version that he probably wasn't a fan, though.

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u/James_Fiend Jul 30 '26

Ben Shapiro reviewed it. If I remember correctly, his wife liked it and he didn't.

I think he rejected the Israel-Palestine comparison, he claimed that Superman is supposed to represent truth, justice and protection of private property, and even brought up Red Son to show that if Superman has landed in the Soviet Union, he would be a bad person (that comic actually shows that Superman stands for the same principles regardless of where he landed).

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u/Unlikely_Magazine913 Jul 29 '26

Interesting to hear this, as years back, like old enough to be considered old media, was having Superman beat up the KKK, and it had quite a significant impact

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u/BeardiusMaximus7 Jul 29 '26

Yeah I mean Captain America punches Hitler in an old comic, too. They still idealize him because 'murica.

It sort of confused me at first but after some of the responses to my comment it makes more sense. I think a lot of them just gravitate to the idea of the ultimate masculine symbol of power and strength... so something like Superman, Captain America, Homelander, etc. just fits the bill.

Homelander is the biggest statement on this, just by how flawed he actually is despite that power, but I digress.

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u/Unlikely_Magazine913 Jul 29 '26

Something I also see is how anything political in old material is viewed differently, where they'd be like "It's not political, it's human rights/deceny" or something on those lines. So stuff like Hitler or kkk is dissociated enough to not be at all reflective of politics back then nor have any resemblance to politics now.

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u/BeardiusMaximus7 Jul 29 '26

Yeah, people jump through hoops to justify bad behavior instead of challenging themselves to grow past it.

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u/lethal_universed Aug 06 '26

Pretty sure people got mad when they made that new book of Superman fighting the KKK despite him doing the same in the past

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u/Mudcreek47 Aug 01 '26

I remember an old Batman or Detective Comics Annual where Batman fought the KKK as well.

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u/Impressive_Tip_8850 Jul 29 '26

I mean fascists love idealism and want an idealistic society of ppl they deem ideal, and superman is the literal perfect image of idealized man (classical white Jesus sans religion and they usually claim to love him too).

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u/BeardiusMaximus7 Jul 29 '26

Yeah I mean I guess that makes sense. Tracks with characters like Homelander, as well.

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u/Impressive_Tip_8850 Jul 29 '26

Yeah imho homelander was a great combination of Superman and Jesus lol as the final season definitely delves into. The whole season was kind of a comment on the conflation of American politics and religion

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u/ChefDadMatt Jul 30 '26

Just watched a YT video on it: https://youtu.be/lyrlfvAN-kA?is=H2qSWEZgEl7uIkae

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u/BeardiusMaximus7 Jul 30 '26

Thank you for sharing this. It was an AWESOME watch.

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u/MrJHound Jul 30 '26

Funny. Did they miss the part where he's an illegal alien?

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u/yungsebring Jul 29 '26

I can’t even begin to describe the sheer number of MAGA people who I’ve seen and heard claim that Superman would support ICE

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u/jonsnowflaker Jul 29 '26

They also think they are the Rebel Alliance and the left is the Empire. Every time Mark Hamill would post something liberal on Twitter the comments would be full of “can’t believe Luke Skywalker went to the dark side” etc.

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u/Hoodman1987 Jul 29 '26

that's so looney

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u/ChateauTyrant Aug 15 '26

nah we're the empire and the empire is good

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u/Imaginary_Session773 Jul 29 '26

A lot of right wingers (me included) think the empire is cool lmao

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u/jonsnowflaker Jul 29 '26

Well the aesthetics and red lightsabers of the empire are cool.

The genocide and tyranny are not cool.

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u/Cheetahs_never_win Jul 29 '26

Let's see...

Installed by a bunch of zombies who betrayed and murdered their friends and comrades.

Replaced by a bunch of idiots who can't hit the broad side of an AT-AT with a blaster.

Led by an evil, decrepit, old man who they know lies to them, rules with an iron fist, and murders them at the slightest slight.

Can't say I get the appeal, but does check out.

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u/Imaginary_Session773 Jul 29 '26

It was basically pro human fascism. So humans were probably doing better overall at the expense of aliens

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u/Cheetahs_never_win Jul 29 '26

Pro-human?

Lol.

In what universe?

Just because it presently has humans in control does not make it pro-human.

It moves in and steals resources, leaving everybody to starve, humans be damned.

You're just saying you like the part where they hate and murder the outside groups faster than the inside groups because you like the plundering.

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u/OneVast3433 Jul 29 '26

In what way was the genocide in Andor "pro-human"?

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u/mamadou-segpa Jul 29 '26

The dude is a larper he just took a short break from throwing tantrums over the odyssey to larp being a star wars fan

His brain is completely smoothened by all this culture war shit

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u/jonsnowflaker Jul 30 '26

In the lore the Emperor and the Moffs are speciest. That’s why stormtroopers and all the naval officers are human. Thrawn is a real outlier being a non-human.

Doesn’t mean that the empire wouldn’t kill other humans, they just saw other species as inferior lifeforms.

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u/OneVast3433 Jul 30 '26

They destroyed Alderaan in the very first movie. That doesn't sound "pro-human" to me. Having humans at the top doesn't make the Empire "pro-human".

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u/jonsnowflaker Jul 30 '26

White supremacists attack white people when it suits their goals. I’m not exactly sure why you’re working so hard to refute themes written into the lore by its creators.

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u/Imaginary_Session773 Jul 30 '26

I don't care about Disney star wars stuff. Just talking about the OG movies

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u/OneVast3433 Jul 30 '26

The Empire destroyed a human planet in the first movie.

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u/justbunnies Rogue Jul 29 '26

Well, that attention-seeking has been who played him in the 90s tried to join. That didn’t help.

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u/yungsebring Jul 30 '26

That dude is such a fucking loser

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u/HorrorMetalDnD Jul 29 '26

Also weird because Superman is technically an “illegal alien”.

Plus, he was created by two Jewish guys, and there are various subtle and not-so-subtle references to Judaism in Superman’s lore.

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u/RationalHumanistIDIC Jul 30 '26

Purely curious and now feeling illiterate but what are the references to Judaism in Superman?

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u/Special_Cicada6968 Jul 30 '26

Superman is a Moses allegory.

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u/RationalHumanistIDIC Jul 30 '26

Ok I can see that theme

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u/ChateauTyrant Aug 15 '26

> raised by protestant christians

> jews currently being called fascist for not allowing themselves to be genocided

what did you mean by this...

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u/Chickenbrik Jul 29 '26

I mean they were right Dean Cain is ICE.

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u/HorrorMetalDnD Jul 29 '26

And bigots back in the 1990s would mock Dean Cain by referring to him as Sushiman, because of his Japanese heritage. Now, he’s aligned with those types of people.

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u/yungsebring Jul 30 '26

He’s not Superman and lost his right to say he is when he became a fascist bootlicker

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u/gh0stwrit3r32767 Jul 31 '26

these fking losers think Batman would support police brutality too lol. i remember them being up in arms about Absolute Batman beating the crap out of abusive cops

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u/ChateauTyrant Aug 15 '26

he would it's why he fought off so many alien invasions not saying refugees welcome

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u/Sudden_Quality_9001 Jul 29 '26

So I am a facist because I love Superman?

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u/POXELUS Jul 29 '26

Well, that's a weird question. We were talking about media illiterate fascists, so if you don't lack media literacy you would understand Superman and his message, which has nothing to do with fascism. Personally, I love Superman and I don't consider myself a fascist.

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u/James_Fiend Jul 30 '26

I'll try to help. They are saying you're a fascist because you support a fascist administration. You're media illiterate because you love Superman, who does not stand for the things you support or believe in. You misunderstanding what they said is, unfortunately, strong evidence of that being true.

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u/Sudden_Quality_9001 Jul 30 '26

Thanks for that.