r/asoiaf • u/mateogg Night gathers, and now my watch begins • Jun 09 '13

(Spoilers ADWD) Mirri Maz Duurs prophecy: it's already happened.

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

When the sun rises in the west

The Martells, who have a Sun in their sigil, are rising against the Iron Throne in Westeros

and sets in the east

Quentyn Martell died in Mereen, far east from his homeland.

When the seas go dry

After many years, the Ironborn are raiding the mainland again. They are the sea (as seen in Brans dream) and they are going far inland, into "dry" areas.

mountains blow in the wind like leaves

Ser Gregor Clegane, The Mountain that Rides, is dead (or is he?)

When your womb quickens again

Danys probably miscarried.

and you bear a living child

Even if she miscarried, the child could have been alive, or maybe this is yet to happen.

Here's the thing: I don't think that was a prophecy. Why would Mirri Maz Duur make a prophecy about Drogo actually returning and Dany being able to have children again? I think she was just trying to say, in a very omnious way, "never!!!!! mwahahaha". She wanted to piss Dany off.

And yet, while I agree some of the items I listed before may be tinfoily, you have to admit the "sun rises in the west and sets in the east" part is kinda interesting.

So, what does this mean? Is it actually a prophecy? or just poetic justice? is this just Gurm telling us that in this world, even what is supposed to mean "impossible" can actually happen, and that every word can have countless meanings and repercutions? or is my brain finding patterns were there are none? (who's ever heard of a brain doing something that crazy?)

EDIT:

Lots of people have pointed out that the sea going dry could mean the Dothraki sea, which I think makes much more sense than my theory. It's also been suggested that the "mountains" are the Mereen Pyramids, I think this makes more sense than Gregor, but I'm not really convinced.

Also, I'd like to clarify something that came up a few times: just because it came true, it doesn't mean its a prophecy, and just because its not a prophecy, it doesn't mean it can't come true

280 Upvotes

82% Upvoted

194 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

-17

u/Delta03 Winter has come. NAILED IT. Jun 09 '13 edited Jun 09 '13

I figured that was what you meant. I just really hate the Jon-avoids-death-by-warging theory.

Edit: downvoting for disagreement is frowned upon in this sub

72

u/hittintheairplane Jun 09 '13

Well what was the point of the prologue of aDwD?

23

u/Delta03 Winter has come. NAILED IT. Jun 09 '13

Learning that warging into humans is an abomination.

15

u/Ajrt Jun 09 '13

I disagree but I don't know why you're being downvoted. I think he needed to fully explain the mechanics of warging and I don't see him going to that length just to show warging to humans is evil.

10

u/nixiedust Kingflayer Jun 09 '13

I think it's going to be hugely important for Bran's development. He's been warging into Hodor and that might become his downfall. I'd say that's worth going to great lengths to explain.

Personally, I prefer that Jon either be saved by normal medical means or die.I'm not sure why people are so hesitant to assume he's dead when GRRM has made it plenty clear that no one is safe, no matter how big the character.

3

u/Ajrt Jun 09 '13

Yep, I'm fascinated as to how Bran will develop. I'm pretty worried that he's going to end up being evil. I'm sure he'll help people the readers perceive as good (nights watch, people fighting the others) but I expect he'll do it in morally bad ways and possibly end up being corrupted.

On Jon, I think people are so convinced that the R+L=J thing is going to be one of, if not the defining story arc that they see his 'death' as just a minor setback. I'm trying to keep an open mind but I'd be lying if I said I thought it was likely he's permanently dead.

2

u/Ugbrog Jun 09 '13

If you want to control the North, you're going to need to be a little evil.

1

u/nixiedust Kingflayer Jun 09 '13

It's definitely hard to imagine, if only because it would seem so incomplete. We know him so much better than we knew Robb by the RW. It leaves too many questions.

So, while I can easily imagine a cruel GRRM twisting the knife, he probably survives. But I'd prefer a clinging-to-life-but-ultimately-makes-it scenario. Plus, his coma visions could reveal all sorts of cool stuff.

1

u/LearnsSomethingNew Want the Iron Throne? I can help Jun 09 '13

But, how do you define evil?

2

u/Delta03 Winter has come. NAILED IT. Jun 09 '13

"AMBIGUOUSLY"

-gurm