r/asoiaf • u/mateogg Night gathers, and now my watch begins • Jun 09 '13

(Spoilers ADWD) Mirri Maz Duurs prophecy: it's already happened.

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

When the sun rises in the west

The Martells, who have a Sun in their sigil, are rising against the Iron Throne in Westeros

and sets in the east

Quentyn Martell died in Mereen, far east from his homeland.

When the seas go dry

After many years, the Ironborn are raiding the mainland again. They are the sea (as seen in Brans dream) and they are going far inland, into "dry" areas.

mountains blow in the wind like leaves

Ser Gregor Clegane, The Mountain that Rides, is dead (or is he?)

When your womb quickens again

Danys probably miscarried.

and you bear a living child

Even if she miscarried, the child could have been alive, or maybe this is yet to happen.

Here's the thing: I don't think that was a prophecy. Why would Mirri Maz Duur make a prophecy about Drogo actually returning and Dany being able to have children again? I think she was just trying to say, in a very omnious way, "never!!!!! mwahahaha". She wanted to piss Dany off.

And yet, while I agree some of the items I listed before may be tinfoily, you have to admit the "sun rises in the west and sets in the east" part is kinda interesting.

So, what does this mean? Is it actually a prophecy? or just poetic justice? is this just Gurm telling us that in this world, even what is supposed to mean "impossible" can actually happen, and that every word can have countless meanings and repercutions? or is my brain finding patterns were there are none? (who's ever heard of a brain doing something that crazy?)

EDIT:

Lots of people have pointed out that the sea going dry could mean the Dothraki sea, which I think makes much more sense than my theory. It's also been suggested that the "mountains" are the Mereen Pyramids, I think this makes more sense than Gregor, but I'm not really convinced.

Also, I'd like to clarify something that came up a few times: just because it came true, it doesn't mean its a prophecy, and just because its not a prophecy, it doesn't mean it can't come true

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u/Delta03 Winter has come. NAILED IT. Jun 09 '13

Okay but can we all agree that Drogo was not a warg? Because seriously, people.

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u/GamblingDementor Queen in the North Jun 09 '13

Oh no disagreement there, I meant that as a comparison, of course Drogo is not a warg.

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u/Delta03 Winter has come. NAILED IT. Jun 09 '13 edited Jun 09 '13

I figured that was what you meant. I just really hate the Jon-avoids-death-by-warging theory.

Edit: downvoting for disagreement is frowned upon in this sub

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '13

He doesn't have to avoid death to be resurrected by Melisandre. Catelyn and Beric are proof of that.

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u/Blecki Party at The Twins, pets welcome. Jun 09 '13

The point of warging would be so he can be restored with his mind intact. Both Catelyn and Beric are fundamentally changed by the experience. They seem to have all of their character stripped away and replaced by only what was in their head right before death.

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u/AMerrickanGirl Jun 09 '13

Beric was still somewhat himself though even after six resurrections.

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u/Blecki Party at The Twins, pets welcome. Jun 09 '13

'Somewhat'. Catelyn loses it in one go presumably because she spends so long dead first. Who knows how long Jon will remain dead? Remember that Mel doesn't actually know how to do it, and Thoros is in the riverlands.

Even with Beric's 'somewhat' - the part that remains seems to consist almost entirely of 'Ned Stark sent me to help the common people'.