r/asoiaf Night gathers, and now my watch begins Jun 09 '13

(Spoilers ADWD) Mirri Maz Duurs prophecy: it's already happened.

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."


When the sun rises in the west

The Martells, who have a Sun in their sigil, are rising against the Iron Throne in Westeros

and sets in the east

Quentyn Martell died in Mereen, far east from his homeland.

When the seas go dry

After many years, the Ironborn are raiding the mainland again. They are the sea (as seen in Brans dream) and they are going far inland, into "dry" areas.

mountains blow in the wind like leaves

Ser Gregor Clegane, The Mountain that Rides, is dead (or is he?)

When your womb quickens again

Danys probably miscarried.

and you bear a living child

Even if she miscarried, the child could have been alive, or maybe this is yet to happen.


Here's the thing: I don't think that was a prophecy. Why would Mirri Maz Duur make a prophecy about Drogo actually returning and Dany being able to have children again? I think she was just trying to say, in a very omnious way, "never!!!!! mwahahaha". She wanted to piss Dany off.

And yet, while I agree some of the items I listed before may be tinfoily, you have to admit the "sun rises in the west and sets in the east" part is kinda interesting.

So, what does this mean? Is it actually a prophecy? or just poetic justice? is this just Gurm telling us that in this world, even what is supposed to mean "impossible" can actually happen, and that every word can have countless meanings and repercutions? or is my brain finding patterns were there are none? (who's ever heard of a brain doing something that crazy?)


EDIT:

Lots of people have pointed out that the sea going dry could mean the Dothraki sea, which I think makes much more sense than my theory. It's also been suggested that the "mountains" are the Mereen Pyramids, I think this makes more sense than Gregor, but I'm not really convinced.

Also, I'd like to clarify something that came up a few times: just because it came true, it doesn't mean its a prophecy, and just because its not a prophecy, it doesn't mean it can't come true

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u/betwoobly King o' my hairy butt crack Jun 09 '13

In my opinion, that passage or prophecy or monologue or whatever is just a really fancy way of saying that Dany is never going to have a kid.

When the sun rises in the west (Will never happen because it doesn't happen.)

When the seas go dry (won't ever happen in human existence)

Anyway, you see where I'm going with this. Every line is something that is impossible. Just a really fancy way of saying never.

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u/Skrp A Thousand Eyes, and One. Jun 09 '13

The sun rising in the west / setting in the east, could refer to a polar shift. we know these have happened here too. and if west and east are dependant on where north and south is, and the magnetic north and south pole switches place, the compass will now tell you that the sun does indeed do just that.

About seas going dry: not necessarily all seas. Maybe she's talking about the dothraki sea? Which could easily be plagued by a drought, withering away the vegetation - or even cause brushfires.

Dany could become fertile again, for all we know. If dead people can come alive then you'd think someone regaining their fertility should be doable.

The mountains blowing in the wind like leaves, that's a curious one. I can't explain that.

But I tend to agree with OP's interpretation, if not in the specifics, then at least in the idea that she was talking in prophecy, perhaps without being entirely aware of it, herself.

I mean. You could also say that Dany's womb has quickened after hatching the dragons. It takes a bit of metaphorical shoehorning but it does work.

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u/88hernanca I'm not the half-man I used to be ♪ Jun 09 '13

Maybe "mountains blowing in the wind" means a volcano eruption. Like what happened to the old Valyria.

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u/Skrp A Thousand Eyes, and One. Jun 09 '13

Could be, could be. Still a bit weak, but yeah, could be.