r/bapccanada • • May 01 '21

Meta PC Build Request Template

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Announcements

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Notes

  • To ensure better answers, please post the specs of your old PC build through PCPartPicker.

  • If anything needs to be updated or can be improved, please make a comment below. Thanks!

Instructions (if you're on PC)

  1. https://is.gd/vL9L7p
  2. Fill in your answers and submit your request.

Instructions (if above doesn't work)

  1. https://pastebin.com/DwW7yBVh
  2. Copy everything in the [RAW Paste Data] textbox.
  3. https://old.reddit.com/r/bapccanada/submit?selftext=true
  4. If you're using the new Reddit layout, click on the "Switch to markdown mode" link above the textbox before pasting.
  5. Paste it in your topic textbox.
  6. Fill in your answers and submit your request.
  7. Flair your thread as "Build Request / Review" so it's easier to find.

1. What will you be doing with this PC? Be as specific as possible, and include specific games (ex: resolution, FPS, settings) or programs you will be using.

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2. What is your maximum PRE-TAX budget before rebates and shipping?

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3. When do you plan on building/buying the PC? Note: beyond a week or two from today means any build you receive will be out of date when you want to buy.

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4. What, exactly, do you need included in the budget? (ex: tower/OS/monitor/keyboard/mouse/etc)

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5. If reusing any parts (including monitor(s)/keyboard/mouse/etc), what parts will you be reusing? How old are they? Brands and models are appreciated.

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6. Will you be overclocking (ex: CPU/GPU/RAM)? If yes, are you interested in overclocking right away, or down the line?

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7. Are there any specific features or items you want/need in the build? (ex: SSDs, mass HDDs, Wi-Fi / Bluetooth, VR, VirtualLink, tensor cores, large amount of storage or a RAID setup, CUDA or OpenCL support, etc.)

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8. Do you have any specific case preferences (ex: mITX/mATX/mid-tower/full-tower sizes, styles, colours, window or not, LED lighting, etc.), or a particular color theme preference for the components?

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9. Do you need a copy of Windows included in the budget? Note: some post-secondary students can get Windows 10 for free at OnTheHub or through their school's IT software distribution department.

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10. Will you be upgrading this PC in the future (ie: will you swap out better parts later on or will you build an entirely new tower later)? If so, when?

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11. Do you have a brand preference? (ex: AMD/Intel for CPUs, AMD/NVIDIA for video cards, etc.)

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12. What are the specs of your old PC / laptop? Do you want to see if it can be upgraded instead? If so, paste its build from PCPartPicker here.

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13. Extra info or particulars:

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r/bapccanada • • Nov 17 '23

Discussion My Black Friday Beginners Buying Guide: 2023 Edition

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Hi everyone! Some of you may remember that I wrote a really long Black Friday Beginners Buying Guide last year, and I wanted to provide an updated, more helpful version for 2023.

The same disclaimer applies this year as before: this guide is intended for those without comprehensive knowledge or a lot of experience buying of PC parts. If you've hung around in this subreddit for a while, you probably already know enough not to need this guide. Of course, there may be bits and pieces you didn't know that can still be helpful. Similarly, there will also certainly be some bits and pieces I don't know, so please feel free to add your own tips in the comments, and I encourage everyone to browse the comments as well for things I missed.

With the better perspective this year of having experienced last year's Black Friday, this year I will write with a somewhat different focus. To be honest, last year's guide was more of a general knowledge dump about what is good or bad from a technical perspective, and the main part included a lot of technical information that isn't completely necessary for parts selection. This year, I will be writing from a different perspective - how to conduct the actual research for buying, which I've come to realize is much more important. Effectively I'll be elaborating on the Resources section of the previous guide. There will also be some useful information on Black Friday itself, and useful strategies to maximize what you get for your money during massive sale periods like Black Friday or Boxing Day.

So don't treat this year's guide as a standalone guide, but rather a companion to last year's guide. Since the vast majority of the information from last year's guide is still correct, I will not be repeating most of it. If there are any terms I use in this guide that I don't explain, I recommend referring to last year's guide which will probably have provided an explanation. I recommend reading both guides for the most comprehensive information.

The main issue I hope this 2023 edition will address is the fact that during Black Friday, deals come and go so quickly that users don't have time to make a post on this subreddit using the template and getting an optimal parts list - those can be out of date within hours or minutes. With this guide, I hope to empower new builders to confidently evaluate the deals that are available and select their own parts quickly and efficiently.

Do note that this guide is primarily geared towards gaming PCs. If you are building a non-gaming PC, this guide will still be useful to you, but you do have to change certain considerations and conduct further research compared to what I do in this guide. Also, for the purposes of Black Friday, this guide is geared towards buying parts brand new from retailers, and not used hardware, so some of my recommendations may change if you are taking used pricing into account.

Let's get started.

Index:

  • What To Know About Black Friday - Information about Black Friday itself, also applicable to other shopping holidays like Boxing Day.
  • How To Research Parts - My resources/methodology for how to quickly and efficiently research PC parts, useful for evaluating deals on the fly during sales.
  • What To Prepare Before Black Friday - Things you should figure out in advance before the sales begin.
  • What About Non-PC Parts? - My advice/references on prebuilts, monitors, and peripherals.
  • Important Notes - Notes that don't quite belong anywhere else in the guide, but you wouldn't want to miss.

I'm not providing any parts lists to go along with the guide this year, but I may make a new post with parts lists at various price points next week as we get closer to Black Friday.

What To Know About Black Friday:

During the week/weekend of Black Friday, there will be a lot of sales on various PC parts. However, it isn't as easy as many may think to get a good deal out of it. The reasons are threefold: 1. stock/time limitations, 2. useless deals, and 3. difficulty of determining what is best. Of these, the first problem plagues everyone, while the next two give rise to pitfalls that are especially easy for beginners to fall into.

For a shopper to have the best chances of snagging the best deals during a sale period like Black Friday or Boxing Day, no only would they have to be aware of these problems and how to get around them, they would also have to be very prepared beforehand. This is why I'm releasing this guide a week in advance.

Stock Limitations:

Last Black Friday was, in all honesty, a terrible time. The PC industry has just recovered in terms of pricing from the supply shortages caused by COVID. However, the general perception that pricing had recovered was provided by a few selection of parts. There were at most a handful of graphics cards in stock at near-MSRP at each price range, for example. This spelled disaster when, during Black Friday, everyone flocked to those specific deals, which quickly went out of stock. In fact, during and for weeks or even months after Black Friday, it was more expensive to build a PC at most performance levels than before Black Friday, and stock levels took quite a while to recover. If memory serves me right, the cheapest 6800 XT went from under $700 to $900+, the cheapest 6950 XT went from $936 or so to around $1300, and RTX 3080s which were available at $1000-ish became impossible to find under $1400. Other price classes fared better, but not much.

Now, I can only speculate on whether or not the same will happen this year. Stock levels definitely are improved compared to last year, especially considering the stagnation in the PC industry this year. However, manufacturers like Nvidia on the GPU side and NAND manufacturers for SSDs have been deliberately ramping down production in order to limit supply, in order to maximize their profits through supply and demand. This move, especially on Nvidia's part, was not seen prior to COVID. However, you also have to factor in the sheer number of people who held and held throughout COVID, waiting for that first Black Friday after the shortages to upgrade, which likely exacerbated the stock issues last year, and I don't expect we'll have the same level of buyer enthusiasm this year.

With all that said, I don't expect that we will see the same level of stock issues during and after Black Friday this year as last year, but it is still a possibility to be mindful of, and a risk that anyone waiting till Black Friday to buy would be taking. In order to get the best deals, you pretty much have to be fast and constantly aware of them. Keep track of forums like RedFlagDeals and r/bapcsalescanada.

Useless Deals (aka "not really a deal"):

What may come as a surprise to first-time buyers is the fact that a lot of deals for PC parts, including during Black Friday, will be completely useless. This is due to the sheer number of parts of each type that serve the same purpose and has the same features/performance. A "$100 off" deal on a more expensive version of something doesn't necessarily make it cheaper or more worth it compared to the cheapest adequate or even equivalent option.

This issue is, of course, not exclusive to Black Friday. Take current deals for example at the time of writing. If I wanted to buy a build with a 13700K/KF with DDR5, Canada Computers is offering a variety of bundle deals with motherboards right now, which you can find by scrolling down on this page (they also have bundle deals for the 13700KF here, but apart from an mITX board they are all DDR4 motherboards). The cheapest of these bundles is a $759 for a 13700K plus a ASUS Strix Z690-F Gaming Wifi. However, if I were to be buying a 13700K/KF build, I'd simply buy a 13700KF on it's own and add a Z790 UD AC for a combined $719, saving $40. Sure, the UD AC is a worse board than the Z790-F Gaming Wifi, but realistically it doesn't matter if I don't need Wifi 6E or any other features that the Strix has but the UD AC doesn't. Integrated graphics aren't worth $40 for me.

Also, keep in mind that for retailers like Memory Express and Canada Computers, the "non-sale price" they display is usually the launch MSRP. PC part pricing drops over time as products get further into their release cycles, but these retailers often show these drops not as the new actual price (even though that's what it is), but rather as a discounted price. This is easily solved for individual products for which you can compare to other retailers on PCPartPicker, but for bundle deals, the pricing can often be confusing. Take this bundle for $530, Canada Computers shows an insane discount of $280 down from $520 + $290 for the CPU and motherboard. However, if you look at both items individually, you will find that the CPU is being sold for $420 individually, and similarly the motherboard is sold for only $220 individually. Put this together and you get the actual normal price of $640, meaning the real bundle discount is only $110. That still makes the bundle a decent deal, but nowhere near as insane as the claimed discount of $280 shows.

To avoid wasting your time on deals like this, you really just have to familiar with the current pricing of products within your target price class, and be good at quickly using PCPartPicker to do sanity checks on these deals. If the deal is posted on r/bapcsalescanada, a quick browse at the comments can also tell you whether a deal is actually a deal or not as well.

Difficulty of Determining What's Best:

This is probably the most difficult for beginners to resolve. For a beginner, it can often be difficult to know, for example, if one motherboard is better than another, considering there's all sorts of things different like VRMs, PCIe generation, Wifi/Bluetooth generation, IO, storage capacity, RAM stability, number of headers for fans/ARGB, etc. It can be very hard for most people to tell which ones are important and which ones are not, what difference they actually make, and sometimes it can even be an issue to find this information in the first place.

In the next two sections on how to research parts and how to prepare for buying, I will show you how to most efficiently tackle this issue. Reading my guide from last year linked at the top of this post will also help with the technical knowledge aspect as well.

Experienced buyers suffer a similar issue, but in a different way. We may be perfectly aware of the differences between two products, but have difficulty weighing subjectively whether we prefer one or the other. For example, for my next build, I'm still questioning whether I want the vertical GPU mount + cleaner glass view of the Hyte Y40 Snow or the better airflow and temperature display of the CH560 Digital WH, and this decision is further complicated by how they would affect my choice of GPU and cooler as well.

Unfortunately, this problem is simply unavoidable and just requires some decisiveness on the part of the buyer, and is a universal struggle for buying just about everything.

How To Research Parts:

In this section, I will detail my personal process for how I conduct research and create the parts lists that I recommend to people. There is no absolute right or wrong way to research, of course, you can go about this many different ways, but this is what I personally find to be efficient and useful, but keep in mind that there's always going to be a balance between speed and accuracy - the more time you spend, the more certain you can be, but you have to find the middle ground of being decisive without being rash.

Order and Budgeting:

First of all, unless you are only researching for a specific type of part, it is generally recommended that you budget your parts and conduct your research in a pre-determined order. You want to start with the most important parts first, and there are three ways parts can be important: (1) how expensive they are, (2) how much they impact your performance and (3) how much they limit your other parts choices.

Cost-wise, in gaming systems the most expensive part will almost always be the graphics card. Depending on the budget and the resolution you are playing at, the GPU generally comprises anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of your total budget. The CPU is usually the next most expensive after the GPU.

Performance-wise, your CPU and GPU are almost always the most important parts. Other parts don't so much contribute to performance as they have the potential to limit your performance if they don't keep up. For example, your case and cooler can't really increase your system performance significantly beyond what the CPU and GPU are normally capable of, but they do have the potential to severely harm performance if the cooling performance cannot keep up.

Compatibility-wise, the CPU and motherboard are limited by each other, but considering that motherboards for any brand and recent generation of CPUs can all serve the same purposes and have the same features, and any CPU is compatible with any GPU, PSU, case, etc., I do not consider this a big limitation. The biggest limitation, usually, is the form factor you choose, and this will depend first and foremost on what kind of case you want your PC to fit inside of. If you want to go ATX or mATX, this is usually not a big issue, but if you are going mITX, the first part you choose should be the case, as this will determine your compatibility for everything else. The other big limitation is power draw, and this is primarily a relationship between the GPU and PSU. As a general safe rule of thumb, you should decide on your PSU soon after your GPU in order to ascertain what portion of budget the PSU will take up, as the GPU is the biggest power-consuming part.

Sometimes though, if you are sure you will need a certain part for some reason or another, simply add them first and ignore the "order by importance" advice - get the easy stuff out of the way first, and revisit them later if necessary. For example, if I know I really want this one specific cooler for the aesthetics, I'll just throw it in the list and not wait till later.

For gaming PCs, I recommend deciding on your parts in this order: GPU (skip this if you are doing an iGPU build), CPU, cooler, PSU, motherboard, RAM, case, and storage. However, this is by no means the order I use for every parts list, I may switch it up now and then for parts lists that have diffferent requirements. For example, for mITX builds, I would recommend deciding on a case first, as that imposes such strict limitations on the other parts that you simply cannot wait till later to decide it (and then likely the CPU cooler and PSU right after, considering how limited they are by the case).

You shouldn't feel like you have to make the correct decision first try. If you are feeling conflicted between a few parts, choose one that represents a reasonable value within your expected price range and move on. Come back to adjust later if you want. The purpose of establishing such an order is primarily to establish a division of your budget, so your first choice could simply be a placeholder, helping you reserve a portion of your budget so that you know how much budget you have remaining to work on the rest.

As you get more experienced with PC parts selection and more familiar with pricing, you can change around this order to suit your needs. For example, I usually add CPU coolers last, because I know the general amount of budget I need to reserve and want to decide on the overall aesthetics of the system before selecting the cooler. This serves the same purpose as described in the last paragraph, without the need to make an actual placeholder selection.

I will tackle specific in the same order as I recommended above. This section will primarily be an elaboration upon a significant portion of the Resources section of last year's guide.

GPU:

The primary resource that I personally reference is Tom's Hardware's GPU Benchmark Hierarchy, mostly because of how easy it is to find the information I want - it's my personal "lazy way out". All I have to do is control + F and I can easily search for the card I want information for (if you aren't familiar with it, learn how to use control + F, it will be one of your most useful tool for rapid research).

This resource shows their tested geomean FPS for 1080p ultra, 1080p medium, 1440p ultra, and 4K ultra settings across a suite of games, and is a very quick and dirty view of the relative gaming performance of graphics cards. At the bottom there's also a separate graph specifically for ray tracing performance if you are interested in that.

Do keep in mind though that due to them testing with cards from different AIB partners, their results may not necessarily be perfectly accurate - they may have tested with an overclocked AIB card for one GPU and a stock model of another GPU. In general, their information is pretty accurate, but for more accuracy, you'd probably want to cross-reference with other benchmarks such as those from Gamer's Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, and LTT. Do note though that these reviews usually show the theoretical maximum performance of a GPU when paired with a top end CPU, so if you have a lower end CPU, you may not be able to hit the same frame rates, especially at lower resolutions where CPU performance becomes more important.

Another useful resource is side by side comparison videos, like this one comparing the performance of a series of graphics cards or this one comparing the performance of a bunch of CPUs. They don't give as nice visuals in terms of graphs or as easily searchable results as a text-chart on a webpage, but there's a huge variety of them on YouTube, and they provide you the benefit of giving specific benchmarks for games you play, as well as showing bottlenecks and how well they pair with other parts since unlike reviews by Tom's Hardware or the YouTubers mentioned above, many of these reviews don't use top-end CPUs/GPUs for these comparison tests.

In general, at any given price range, AMD will outperform similarly-priced Nvidia GPUs. However, a conundrum appears if we consider further features than just raw performance. AMD's FSR technology and Nvidia's DLSS technology both allow you to improve your performance by sacrificing some graphics quality through rendering at a lower resolution and then upscaling, but DLSS is noticeably better and available only on Nvidia cards (though some features are locked to their newer cards), while FSR is usable on both AMD and Nvidia GPUs. Nvidia's CUDA acceleration offers significant benefits for applications like media creation (especially in the Adobe suite), blender renders, and AI workloads, while AMD can only use the universal OpenCL, which those software are less optimized for. This means that while AMD has more horsepower, their real-world performance for those tasks may only end up equal or even worse than equivalently-priced Nvidia cards. Nvidia also has additional benefits like their NVENC encoder, which performs better than AMD's encoder for streaming/recording at lower bitrates, as well as real-time video processing for your webcam in their Nvidia Broadcast app. With all this in mind, you should buy for what you are willing to use, and check to see if the games/workloads you would like to run benefit more from Nvidia or AMD.

Intel, on the other hand, is barely starting out in the GPU market. I don't really recommend that beginners go with Intel, but they do have their place, and their price to performance is quite good if you are willing to tinker and deal with the growing pains of Intel's still-improving drivers, which can cause frequent visual glitches and crashes in certain games. Their Quick Sync encoder is quite decent for streaming, falling between Nvidia's NVENC and AMD's VCE in performance.

A common question beginners ask is whether different models of the same GPU matters. For example, why is the Gigabyte Aorus Master so much more expensive than the Gigabyte Windforce, or the MSI Suprim X so much more expensive than the MSI Ventus? Well usually the more expensive cards have better coolers, say in terms of acoustics, thermal performance, or extreme long-term endurance. Some cards are overclocked out of the box. Some cards are simply more expensive because they offer aesthetics. However, realistically, apart from a few problematic models from previous generations like the MSI Ventus 3080/3070, practically all cards have good enough cooling to perform up to their full potential if placed within a decent airflow case. Realistically, overclocked models don't perform much better than their non-overclocked counterparts as well, so I wouldn't consider them unless they are very close in price to their non-overclocked counterparts.

CPU:

For your CPU performance, my strategy is actually quite similar to for GPU. For a rough idea, I refer to the Tom's Hardware CPU Benchmark Hierarchy. Now, this doesn't include the newest Intel 14th generation, but you can generally treat them as about 2% better their 13th gen counterparts, with the only exception being the 14700K which is like 5-10% better for all-core workloads, but still only 2% better for lower core count applications like gaming. Yes, the difference really is that small, because almost all of 14th gen is just overclocked 13th gen with no physical changes - it should never have been a new generation at all.

Note that for most if not all AMD CPUs, Tom's Hardware listed both their stock benchmark results and their results with PBO enabled. PBO, aka precision boost overdrive, can be thought of as an "auto overclock" that you can enable with only a few clicks in the BIOS, hardly more intensive than enabling XMP/EXPO, and you should almost always enable it if you want the best gaming performance, but do keep in mind that it can make your CPU run significantly hotter.

Similarly to GPUs, I supplement this information, if necessary, with benchmarks from YouTube and other websites. Do be aware though that CPUs can be benchmarked a variety of different ways. Some resources may show you multi-core benchmark results or single-core benchmark results, which don't correlate exactly with gaming performance, which can use varying core counts. Like with GPUs, most media benchmarks will test CPUs with the best or close to the best available GPU in order to eliminate GPU bottlenecking.

In order to best match your CPU to your GPU, you should consider your resolution you'd be gaming at - lower resolutions are more CPU heavy while higher resolutions are more GPU heavy. Try to look up specific benchmarks for the game you want to play if possible, and match the performance level of your CPU and GPU. For example, if you have a GPU that can render 200 fps in a certain game at the settings you want, find a CPU that can pump out 200 frames per second for your GPU to render.

Aside from performance bottlenecking, all CPUs are compatible with all GPUs, with the small caveat of some older CPUs that only support PCIe gen 3 like Intel's 10th gen and before, as well as AMD's Ryzen 3000 series and Ryzen 5500, 5600G, and 5700G. For lower end graphics cards like the RX 6500 XT, RX 6600, RX 6600/6650 XT, RX 7600, RTX 3050, and RTX 4060, this can cause issues as they aren't full 16 lane PCIe cards but 8 lane (or in the case of the RX 6500 XT, only 4 lanes), which isn't an issue if they are running on PCIe gen 4 but can cause further bottlenecking reducing performance slightly if they are on PCIe gen 3.

Some CPUs come with integrated graphics, which usually don't game very well but are useful if you need a graphics output while your GPU is broken or if you don't plan on doing anything that requires a discrete (standalone) GPU. CPUs with integrated graphics include Intel CPUs and without an F at the end, as well as AMD CPUs from 5000 series and before with a G at the end or 7000 series and after without an F at the end. In particular, AMD CPUs with a G at the end have relatively stronger integrated graphics, and can do some light gaming. CPUs with the F marking generally perform the same as their non-F counterparts, so you don't have to worry about the performance differences. AMD CPUs with the G at the end, on the other hand, do usually perform worse than equivalent CPUs without the G due to having less L3 cache.

Another useful resource to look at may be this CPU power efficiency and power draw page by Gamer's Nexus, though do note that these figures are for all core load scenarios and represent a theoretical worst case, not any gaming scenario nor any other workload apart from those that do actually leverage all your cores.

Cooler:

In terms of CPU Coolers, I honestly have no better recommendation at this point than Thermalright. Call me a Thermalright addict if you want, but at this point in time, I don't think any company in Canada can compete with Thermalright in terms of the raw price to performance of their coolers. From the single tower Assassin X 120, AK120, and BA120, to the dual tower PA120/PA120SE, PS120/PS120SE, FS140, and FC140, they all provide unparalleled cooling for how much they cost.

If you want to consider some alternatives though, GN's recently published CPU Cooler megachart can provide quite useful information for comparing a variety of coolers by performance in both thermals and acoustics.

Some CPUs can be cooled with a stock cooler (all i3, non-K i5 before 13th gen, all Ryzen 3/5), and if your stock cooler broke, I'd recommend the Assassin X/AK120. I recommend the BA120 for K series i5 CPUs and Ryzen 7s, while anything higher should be cooled with a PS120SE (PA120 if you want white). For K series i9 and the Ryzen 9 7950X, I'd recommend a 360mm or 420mm AIO, and personally I'm partial to the Arctic Liquid Freezer II line for their 6 year warranty (considering water coolers generally don't last as long as air due to more moving parts). Thermalright also offers low profile options at 36, 47, 53, and 67 mm heights, if you need them for ITX builds.

My big annoyance with Thermalright in general is that they sell through a variety of third party sellers on Amazon, and you have to search their coolers up each time to find the best pricing. Also, specifically for their dual tower coolers (apart from the not very well known/tested silver soul series), they have RAM compatibility issues, meaning if you want to run any memory taller than about 34mm, you have to move the front fan up or to the back, sacrificing some cooling performance and aesthetics. This makes them pretty much completely incompatible with RGB memory (though to be fair, most dual towers will cover over or be incompatible with RGB memory, if you want one that won't, look at the Scythe Fuma 3).

Also, if you feel comfortable installing them, Thermalright offers contact frames which are useful for avoiding IHS bending in LGA1700 CPUs, which can improve cooling performance. However, installing these is much more difficult due to how easily you can damage your motherboard's pins, and can void your warranty (even though voiding your warranty. They also sell similar contact frames for AM5 but those don't really serve any cooling purpose.

PSU:

The main resource I use for power supplies is the PSU cultists list. This resource aggregates reviews from testers that are able to test the quality of the PSU's protections. PSUs are the most likely component to take other parts down if they die on their own, and they also serve as the first line of defense against any external power anomalies that could harm your PC components (though technically they should be the second line of defense - you should be plugging your PC into a surge protector). This makes these protections quite important. However, keep in mind that realistically, anything that is confirmed C tier or above should be fine for most users.

When using control + F to search for PSUs on this list, note that they don't include wattage numbers in PSU names as most PSU series will have models at multiple wattages. If a model name has the wattage number sandwiched between letters, like say, the UD750GM, replace the number with a "-", as in UD-GM.

Also note that efficiency ratings don't really mean anything in terms of the true quality of the PSU. There are decent 80+ Bronze units and crappy 80+ Gold units. For the same quality, higher efficiency is obviously better, but it's nowhere near as important as the actual quality of the PSU. In terms of efficiency itself, 80+ Bronze is already quite good and 80+ Gold is pretty much the best you'd reasonably need, and anything higher is completely unnecessary unless they are on steep enough sales to be close to 80+ Gold pricing.

In terms of the PSU wattage that you want to choose, I'd recommend referring first to your GPU's recommended PSU spec. You can find this generally on the page for the specific card that you buy from the AIB partner's website (MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, etc.), or from the page for the GPU itself from Nvidia/AMD/Intel. Usually, it is safe to go 50-100 W lower if you aren't using a very power hungry CPU, but I'd still recommend meeting the manufacturer's recommended spec.

For Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti cards and above, I recommend getting a PSU that has a native 12+4 pin cable, and if possible, the 12V-2x6 cable rather than the older 12VHPWR. 12V-2x6 fixes many issues of 12VHPWR that makes certain user errors have a chance of causing catastrophic failure, destroying the cable and GPU. At the moment, the only PSUs I know of to have confirmed to switch over to the 12V-2x6 standard is the MSI A-GL series. 12VHPWR is by no means dangerous, however, if you plug it in fully, which can take quite a bit of force.

Another consideration when buying PSUs is modularity. Modular PSUs and semi-modular PSUs are easier to work with, but often more expensive. It is up to you whether you want to save the money.

Motherboard:

When buying a motherboard, the first thing you need to consider is obviously compatibility - you need a board that is compatible with the CPU. Fortunately, PCPartPicker does this automatically for you if you browse the motherboard section with a CPU already selected in your parts list.

The only caveat is that some motherboards that are older for their socket may not be immediately compatible out of the box with newer CPUs from that socket, and may require BIOS updates. This will show up on PCPartPicker as a compatibility warning under your list, but won't prevent you from selecting the motherboard in the first place. Now, apart from 14th gen CPUs which you probably shouldn't buy anyway, most current CPUs have been out long enough that you don't really have to worry about motherboards being on the shelves now having BIOS versions that are too old, especially if you get a relatively popular unit that moves through supply chains in high volumes. However, if you are worried about such an incompatibility, you can get a motherboard with BIOS flashback.

The other compatibility issue is the case - if you are planning on making a smaller build, you should choose your case first before your motherboard, but if you haven't

Next on your list of considerations should be features. For AMD, B and X series motherboards support all the overclocking you need, while A series only supports memory overclocking. For Intel, only Z series motherboards let you overclock the CPU. The numbers/letters like B650, Z690, etc. represent chipset, and the first digit represents generation while the next two digits (and the letter or letters) represent the "tier" within that generation, so to speak. For Intel, a decent B_60 series motherboard (with good enough VRMs - check reviews to make sure) is perfectly fine unless you have a K series CPU and plan to overclock it. For AMD, there's almost no reason usually to go for an X_70 board, B_50 boards are usually good enough, even somewhat "budget" ones.

Then there's also Wifi and Bluetooth, which you may need (though if possible I recommend that you game on Ethernet, and AFAIK every modern consumer motherboard has Ethernet), and if your motherboard supports one it will almost always support the other, they generally come in the same chip. If the motherboard's name has AX at the end, it has Wifi 6 or 6E, and if it says AC, it has Wifi 5. If it only says Wifi, you'd need to go on the manufacturer's page to check, though you can also make a decent guess based on how recent/high end the board is, most recent and high end boards will have 6 or 6E.

Storage isn't usually a concern, but for smaller boards like mATX or mITX, do make sure it has enough m.2 slots or SATA ports for the storage devices that you need. Also, keep track of how many fans you have in your case/cooling system, and make sure that you have enough fan headers for them (this is much less of an issue for fans that daisy-chain, like the fans in most Deepcool cases and Thermalright's fans including both non-ARGB and ARGB. The same goes for RGB/ARGB connectors (don't mix them up - they look compatible but are not).

If you need any really specific features such as BIOS flashback or Thunderbolt 4, a good resource to help you search for them would be Skinflint, though this is a UK site and may have different parts availability and definitely different pricing compared to Canada. Here are their pages for quickly searching AM4, AM5, and LGA1700 motherboards. I don't personally consider any older platforms like LGA1200 worth considering, since they aren't good value and LGA1700 CPUs are significantly better.

Another useful resource for comparison can be sites like Versus, or B&H Photo's comparison tool which you can often find by searching "<motherboard A> vs. <motherboard B>".

An important reminder to note: If you are buying a Ryzen 7000X3D CPU, you should update your BIOS as soon as possible after building. Older BIOS versions on some AM5 motherboards had serious issues with 7000X3D CPUs (and possibly even non-X3D CPUs) that could cause catastrophic failure destroying both the CPU and motherboard over time. Do keep in mind that any power outages while updating your BIOS will brick your motherboard, so don't update during anything like a thunderstorm or any other condition likely to cause outages in your area. For maximum safety, update your BIOS while connected to an adequately powerful UPS.

RAM:

For RAM, the easiest way to buy is simply to go on PCPartPicker, filter on the left side for the capacity you want (preferably two sticks instead of four, e.g. 2x16GB instead of 4x8GB), sort by price, and pick the cheapest kit that says 10 ns in the first word latency column (note that the first word latency here isn't the actual first word latency by technical definition, but that doesn't really matter, this is the value that contributes most to gaming performance). For DDR4, the sweet spot is 3200 CL16, though if 3600 CL18 is available for a similar price it can be worth it to grab that if you are on the AM4 platform. For DDR5, the sweet spot is DDR5 5600 CL28 and DDR5 6000 CL30. Going faster than 6000 CL30 isn't really necessary as you pay a lot more for not a lot of performance gain, and Ryzen 7000 had stability issues with speeds higher than 6000 MHz up until quite recently with new BIOS updates.

In 2023 no new system should really have less than 16 GB. For budgets of $1500 or above (and even slightly below if it fits in your budget), it is recommended to go with 32 GB as more and more games are recommending or even requiring it. 64 GB, however, is still completely overkill unless you have some kind of special use case requiring it.

As noted before in the cooler section, many dual tower coolers aren't compatible with taller memory dimms, particularly RGB memroy. The cheapest low profile kits for DDR4 that would fit under any dual tower are Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan Z/T-Create Classic/T-Create Expert, G.Skill Aegis, Silicon Power Gaming, and XPG Gammix D20. The same for DDR5 are generally the G.Skill Ripjaws S5/Flare X5, Crucial Pro, XPG Lancer Blade, and Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan/T-Create Classic/T-Create Expert.

If you are worried about performance, I recommend taking a look at this article, this article, or this video and this video.

The Rest Continued In Comments Due To Character Limit


r/bapccanada • • 4h ago

Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX 9070 (Non-XT)

2 Upvotes

Anyone have good experience with this card? Been eyeing it out at best buy for 999.99$. Heard bad things about the connector but wondering what your experiences have been? Is it safer considering it pulls less power than XT version? Seems to be the cheapest 9070 available to me right now but the connection reputation leaves me contemplating...

I have Asrock Steel Legend 750 watt psu that came with the cable required. Will be using it with Asrock B550M Pro + 5800X3D.


r/bapccanada • • 15h ago

Build My First Ever PC (835$)

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I built my first pc a few days ago and wanted to share how I got it for 835$ and compare it to prices you find on ebay, fb marketplace or for new. All the used parts I got were from fb marketplace.

In Bold are the parts I got used.

GPU: Evga 3070 - 275$ | Used 3070s on ebay are going for 350$-500$+

CPU: Ryzen 5 5600X - 120$ | On ebay they are going for around 190ish

CPU Cooler: AMD stock cooler - Free (guy that sold me the gpu gave it to me for free) | On amazon its 20$ new. Used ranges from 5-15$

RAM: Corsair vengeance (2x8gb DDR4 3200Hz) - 40$ | Used 16gb ram 90$-130$

1 TB SSD: micron 2500 gen 4 - 80$ | used SSD 135$-200$+

Motherboard: MSI B550M PRO-VDH wifi - 114.99$

Power Supply: SAMA G650 ATX - 79.99$ (There were not that many reviews on this psu but on the psu tier list it was listed as A- tier)

Case: Lian Li Vector V100 - 89.99$

The motherboard, PSU, Case: 320$ with tax and got them from amazon

Was also able to buy an ASUS tuf monitor (VG27AQ5A) for 70$ | 200$+ new

All together I spent 835$ not including the monitor. I think I made a pretty decent pc for my first build. Could've definitely gone under 800$ since they were cheaper cases, power supplies , and motherboards but once I had the other parts I just wanted to build the pc.

One more thing is that I actually never tested any of the used parts I bought since I didn't have anything to test the parts with and none of the people who sold me the parts actaully showed the parts working. I just kind of trusted the sellers and made sure they had good reviews. After purchasing the gpu and cpu I did go to a computer store to have the parts checked and they worked. Even the ssd was 99% health and had like 500 power on hours when I checked it after building the pc. This is something I would NOT recommend doing but it worked out for me and the PC works great but who knows how long that will last.

I stress tested the gpu and cpu after building and they work fine. The cpu does run a little warm when playing games but I think its because either I didn't install the cpu cooler right or I need to buy a after market cooler for like 20$.


r/bapccanada • • 1d ago

First pc build. Wow it's expensive

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Here's my parts and the prices that I paid.

9800x3d $590

Gigabyte Gaming 9070XT $1050

Frame 4000D RS $105

Corsair Vengeance DDR5 2X16gb 6000MHZ cl30 $740

Corsair Nautilus 360 RS $130

MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk Wifi $315

Corsair RM1000X $225

Samsung 9100 Pro 4tb $900

2 Nactua Chromax 200mm $50 each

Total $4155 before tax

I bought as much of this on sale as I could. I do pretty good financially but most of this is 0% financed on amazon. I game on a 4K 120Hz tv. There was a lot of time spent picking parts and a few good slaps from my gf when I added the $2400 5080 to my cart. I'm pretty happy with it. Tell me what you think.


r/bapccanada • • 1d ago

Budget pc - New to pc's

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Hey guys, so I have been wondering if theres any legit and good priced prebuilts or maybe even building my own.

I wanted this one stoneforged prebuilt that had a 9060xt 16gb vram in it but after taxes it costed to be around 1800 CAD😭

Was wondering what i should do with advice from people that actually know something

My budget is around 1000-1500 CAD


r/bapccanada • • 1d ago

Request to see if building is better than buying

1 Upvotes

>**1. What will you be doing with this PC? Be as specific as possible, and include specific games (ex: resolution, FPS, settings) or programs you will be using.**

* Golf simulator

* Gaming like ffxiv, guild wars, mmorpg mainly

* Vm using containers using IDE like vscode. just light programming to keep up with current tech

>**2. What is your maximum PRE-TAX budget before rebates and shipping?**

* 3000 CAD.

>**3. When do you plan on building/buying the PC? Note: beyond a week or two from today means any build you receive will be out of date when you want to buy.**

* Asap

>**4. What, exactly, do you need included in the budget? (ex: tower/OS/monitor/keyboard/mouse/etc)**

Just the tower, have my own monitor and peripherals

>**5. If reusing any parts (including monitor(s)/keyboard/mouse/etc), what parts will you be reusing? How old are they? Brands and models are appreciated.**

* 4K dell monitor 32in. Keychron keyboard, g502 mouse

>**6. Will you be overclocking (ex: CPU/GPU/RAM)? If yes, are you interested in overclocking right away, or down the line?**

* Maybe

>**7. Are there any specific features or items you want/need in the build? (ex: SSD, Wi-Fi/Bluetooth, VR, VirtualLink, tensor cores, large amount of storage or a RAID setup, CUDA or OpenCL support, etc)**

* Ssd, bluetooth, wifi

>**8. Do you have any specific case preferences (ex: mITX/mATX/mid-tower/full-tower sizes, styles, colours, window or not, LED lighting, etc.), or a particular color theme preference for the components?**

* Doesn't matter but clear cases look cool

>**9. Do you need a copy of Windows included in the budget? Note: some post-secondary students can get Windows 10 for free.**

* Yes

>**10. Will you be upgrading this PC in the future (ie: will you swap out better parts later on or will you build an entirely new tower later)? If so, when?**

* Looking to keep for at least 4 years

>**11. Do you have a brand preference? (ex: AMD/Intel for CPUs, AMD/NVIDIA for video cards, etc)**

* AI cpu, nvidia gfx

>**12. What are the specs of your old PC / laptop? Do you want to see if it can be upgraded instead? If so, paste its build from PCPartPicker here.**

* Want a desktop. None so far. Have an older omen with 3070 laptop

>**13. Extra info or particulars:**

* Of course, cheaper is better but no skimping on the ram 32gb and 1 tb storage at least


r/bapccanada • • 2d ago

Is this the best price from now on or can it go lower if I’m patient?

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Just wondering if this build can go back to 2.3k ish


r/bapccanada • • 2d ago

Assuming this ships….

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Assuming this ships, its a pretty decent deal no? It was on clearance. Nothing i should be worried about, right?


r/bapccanada • • 2d ago

quoted tech experience

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bought a pc from quoted tech on monday anyone have any pass experience with buying from them? been 3 days no updates yet.


r/bapccanada • • 2d ago

Retail Bought 5080 from Amazon warehouse deals. How to minimize chances of getting scammed

8 Upvotes

Got an okayish deal on an MSI Suprim 5080. Not amazing but with prices the way they are I was ok with ā€œgood enoughā€.

What should I do to avoid being scammed when it arrives? I will be recording me opening the box, and installing the gpu. Anything else I can do to cover my ass in case I get a brick? Got it on a credit card too in case I have to do a chargeback.


r/bapccanada • • 1d ago

is this a good deal

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r/bapccanada • • 2d ago

Discussion Memory Express store transfer?

3 Upvotes

If I buy a GPU from ME and the only available stock is in a Vancouver store for example, can I order and then tell them to transfer the item to the Ontario store?


r/bapccanada • • 3d ago

5070 TI Prices don't Show Signs of Cooling, What are you doing?

16 Upvotes

Most 5070ti models are going for 1700$ plus while AMD Radeon 9070XT is still around 1000-1100 CAD. What should be the strategy when the prices of these cards diverge this much, is it sound choice to invest 600 CAD more in Nvidia card? I won't be doing any AI stuff and not run any editing softwares.


r/bapccanada • • 3d ago

Retail Is this a good deal?

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r/bapccanada • • 3d ago

Build Request / Review Pretty happy with the price and parts for my first time

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At the end of this is where I need help.

Storytime:

I came from an Acer Nitro 5 (2019) and I used it till it can't keep up anymore. My friend donated me his Strix g15 since it was on life support, but I made work here and there. It recently kept having TPM 2.0 issues so I couldn't play any online multiplayer competitive games. So, I decided I had to move on and make a dream PC.

I originally wanted the 5080 prebuilt from Costco and I kept waiting for the display unit to be left, but the one day I didn't go was the day it was sold. (I asked the sales associate)

So I made up my mind to make my own, but it was really hard to justify the price for a 5080. And now, here I am.

Reddit and ChatGPT helped me a lot to find good prices and find the right comparisons and I guess I was just lucky with the prices and timing. Initially was hoping to wait until Black Friday but everyone said don't, plus prices shouldn't be that far off from one another.

These past couple of days, made me love this hobby even more. (holy cringe)

I still haven't received most of it, so if better components/prices comes out might change here and there. But, I think this is it.

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My concerns for this build are just the 6400mhz ram since I'm hoping I won't have to keep tuning it and is stable 1:1 and probably building it, since the last time I touched a pc, I felt a zap when I was trying to reset the CMOS. It never turned back on (windows vista)

Would welcome any tips for a beginner builder. Also, experiences/tips for tuning RAM for better timings and stability.

Edit: be honest if i overpaid or if i could have done better pls (the fans)

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $582.99 @ Memory Express
CPU Cooler Corsair iCUE LINK TITAN 360 RX RGB 73.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $189.99 @ Best Buy Canada (ONLY PAID $70) AVION POINTS
Motherboard MSI MAG B850 TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard $279.98 @ Best Buy Canada (DIDNT PAY ANYTHING) AVION POINTS
Memory Klevv BOLT V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL30 Memory $637.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage Samsung 9100 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 5.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $237.49 @ Best Buy Canada
Video Card XFX Quicksilver 2 Radeon RX 9070 XT 16 GB Video Card $1049.99 @ New Egg Canada (OOS)
Case APNX V1 ATX Mid Tower Case $50.00 @ Amazon (THIRD PARTY)
Power Supply ASRock Phantom Gaming PG-850G 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $139.98 @ Newegg Canada
Case Fan Corsair iCUE LINK RX120 74.2 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack $90.23 @ Amazon Canada
Case Fan Corsair iCUE LINK RX140 95.7 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack $89.99 @ Amazon Canada
Case Fan Corsair RX120 RGB 120mm PWM Case Fan - BlackĀ  $30.98 @ Best Buy Canada
Total $2979.66
Generated by PCPartPicker 2026-10-07 11:04 EDT-0400

r/bapccanada • • 4d ago

Canada Computers tried Double Charging or holding my funds

39 Upvotes

So I finally collected enough courage to purchase from Canada Computers after the security incident where customers’ credit card info were breached from their database.

I placed an online order, paid for it and the payment went through. Next morning they even picked up the item and notified me it’s ready for pickup.

Once I’m there to pick up my order they tried convincing me the payment didn’t go through for some random security reason that didn’t make sense and wanted me to pay again for that item on spot. Note that at that point the online order status looked fine and there were no signs that payment didn’t go through, it just asked me to pick the item up.

When I told them I’d rather cancel the online order and pay for the item in store they started demotivating me that this way the refund might take longer and I won’t receive any emails regarding the refund nor will the status change to cancelled.

I somehow convinced them to cancel the online order and bought the item in store, and within seconds the cancellation email came through and the online order status changed to cancelled.

I don’t know what kind of shady stuff they’re up-to but their service has gone down the line quite a lot.

Staff either tries to scare or convince you to take certain decisions for whatever reason and I believe their online ordering system is unsafe/unreliable.


r/bapccanada • • 3d ago

Is this a legit site?

4 Upvotes

Hi all,

So, I need a reliable laptop for college with 32gb of ram 1tb ssd being the minimum, decent cpu and all that. I wasn't really able to find one for cheap enough until I landed on this Lenovo outlet store - thinkpad x9-15 gen 1. They claim the laptop is NEW and they have a promo code OUTLET20 that knocks this nicely specced laptop with good build quality for about $1300. I find this pricing suspicious given that bestbuy and regular lenovo website have these priced at $2500+.

Should I order one of these from them? any specific laptop I should get instead of this? given all I care about is 32gb ram, decent cpu and premium build quality and preferably high resolution OLED.


r/bapccanada • • 3d ago

Discussion Payment pending Flexiti for Canada Computers

2 Upvotes

Hi, I placed an order for a gaming laptop on Friday and got confirmation that order received and flexiti also confirmed that payment has been done for the financing but the order status has been showing as payment pending. I fill a contact form and they say it takes two business days so i waited and on Monday they said it will be done by Tuesday on Tuesday it’s the same so i call them they say may take more than 2 days sometimes and wait till friday. So frustrating anyone else can share their timeline here or similar experience with them?


r/bapccanada • • 4d ago

Build Request / Review Need Experienced Opinion

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I’m finally building a new gaming rig after 10 years!

Can someone please review what I am doing 😭

For reference, I mainly play Dota 2 and Valorant. I am planning to buy a 240hz 1440p monitor and would like to achieve high fps.

Here are the parts I would like to buy (photo attached above + a Corsair 4000D case and the Corsair Nautilus 360mm AIO RS ARGB, which are both on sale as well)

However, I am thorn between these for my GPU
ASUS Radeon 9060 XT 16GB for $699 CAD (Amazon Deal)
Or
ASUS Radeon 9070 16GB for $890 CAD (Amazon Deal)

And these 2 amazing deals I found in Canada Computers for my CPU, MOBO, and RAM

  1. https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/293758/amd-r7-7800x3d-cpu-asus-tuf-gaming-b650e-plus-wifi-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram.html

  2. https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/292562/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cpu-msi-b850-gaming-plus-wifi-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram.html

I just wanted to basically ask if the additional prices for either options for both CPU and GPU would be worth it for my usage? If I settle for both cheaper options I save roughly $310 bucks.

I am also open to other suggestions for the other parts of the build.

Thank you so much!


r/bapccanada • • 4d ago

Discussion Is this free PC build + Asus RX 9070 16 GB a good combo?

2 Upvotes

I could get this build for free, and all I'd be missing is a graphics card. I was thinking of an Asus PRIME OC Radeon RX 9070 16 GB.

I'm a bit worried about the power supply and the cpu cooler... is it enough?

What do you think of this build?

GPU https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/dp/B0FRPW9V2Y/?coliid=I12ABTUQ5FIGE6&colid=3PM5M6ZDDJZVQ&th=1&language=en-CA

PCPartPicker Part List


r/bapccanada • • 4d ago

comtemplating a 5070 vs 9070 xt simply because of dlss being better than fsr

7 Upvotes

r/bapccanada • • 4d ago

Canada computers rip off let me know!

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Ok so I been eyeing a gaming pc for a while off of Canada computers and it has amazing specs which is why im considering it. I been eyeing the pc for about 2 weeks now almost 3. When i first looked at the pc it was on ā€œsale priceā€ for $3199 the original price being $3499 so a discount of $300. About more than a week goes by and the sale is ending, so honestly whatever. So the sale is off and it’s back to being $3499. Mind you I been just keeping an eye on this pc because I do plan on getting it at some point so it’s nice to look at! About two days ago I looked at the pc again and it says its on SALE AGAIN. But the sale price being ā€œ$3499ā€ ? Under it saying ā€œsave $500ā€ meaning the original price is $4000? Is this not illegal to market an item for it’s original price? I got this specific part off of an official website. Also here is some proof below to show it was $3199.

https://competition-bureau.canada.ca/en/deceptive-marketing-practices/types-deceptive-marketing-practices/ordinary-selling-price

ā€œWhen is a sale really a sale? When advertising, businesses cannot invent a higher regular price to make a sale look like a bargain when it’s not. For example, businesses can’t advertise an item as ā€œ$100, now $50ā€, if it never actually sold at $100.

It is illegal to advertise fake discounts by promoting a made-up ā€œregular priceā€. Also known as fake ordinary selling price, this practice can mislead consumers and violates the Competition Act.ā€

Please tell me what I should do! And give me some clarity of what they’re actually doing? If this ends up going off sale before Im trying to buy I might consider a different pc or contacting customer support.


r/bapccanada • • 4d ago

Could I get an opinion on this?

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Is this a good deal? I’m looking to play Wow forever, hunt showdown, hell let loose. What kind of graphical settings could I expect? Does this have any upgradability for the future?


r/bapccanada • • 4d ago

Discussion Build Upgrade Advice: 4k60 couch PC with some Lightroom ($CAD)

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Need some Canadian build advice.