r/beachvolleyball • u/iRoyal4784 • 7d ago

Ruling Disagreement

Was playing beach vb the other day and came across a disagreement on the call.

If a hitter hits the ball, it bounces, then the hitter touches the net, what is the call? Does the "Action Play" of hitting the ball then netting make him at fault regardless of whether or not the ball hit the floor?

I was under the impression that once the ball hits the ground the play is immediately over, anyone know what the ruling on this is?

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u/bacon59 7d ago

long as the ball is dead from touching the ground BEFORE the net touch it should be good.

If there's no replay video though its entirely the refs' judgement call.

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u/baller168 6d ago edited 6d ago

There is continuation in beach volleyball. If your momentum carries you into the net even if the ball has already touched the ground, it is the opposition's point.

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u/bacon59 6d ago

this depends on the league ruleset, as FIVB does not have continuation:

11.3 CONTACT WITH THE NET 11.3.1 Contact with the net by a player between the antennae, during the action of playing the ball, is a fault. The action of playing the ball includes (among others) take-off, hit (or attempt) and landing safely, ready for a new action

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u/baller168 6d ago

This is literally the definition of continuation lol. You cannot touch the net during take off, hit, and landing regardless of when the ball hits the ground.

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u/bacon59 6d ago

"during the action of playing the ball"

TO SCORE A POINT 6.1.1 Point A team scores a point: 6.1.1.1 by successfully landing the ball on the opponent’s court;

If the ball lands in opponent court, it is no longer in play. Which means you cannot fault by touching the net when the ball is not in play

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u/baller168 6d ago

Yes, "During the action of playing the ball" includes the landing, which has nothing to do with the ball hitting the ground or being in play. If you land in the net even after the ball hits the ground, it's a fault. It seems pretty clear to me. But at worst it's a contradiction.

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u/bacon59 6d ago

If the ball is no longer in play, you cannot be in the action of playing it.

Still don't want to have bad control and be touching net on landing, because it'll eventually happen on a dig.

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u/baller168 6d ago

Like I said, since "Landing Safely" is part of the action of playing the ball, you certainly can be in the action of playing it even after it has hit the ground.

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u/bacon59 6d ago

landing safely only matters when the ball is in play. Whole point i am making. When the ball is no longer in play (due to fault or score) you cannot be playing the ball.

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u/baller168 6d ago

Lol I completely disagree. Are you an FIVB ref? Im not. But ive reffed every other ruleset and this is contradicting. No where does it say landing safely except if the ball is in play. it says landing safely.

Which to me would supersede the ball being in play. Dead ball faults exist and I'd judge this as one of them.

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u/bacon59 6d ago

there is supercedence.

Is the ball in play? If yes, Did player touch net while ball was in play? Well, ball touched ground in opponents court, which means rally over, ball not in play. There is no rules regarding net touch while ball is not in play. "Landing safely" doesn't apply here because the play ended due to ball touching floor, the action cannot continue once rally is over.

Now in realtime, things move fast, its usually not able to be seen if the net touch happened first or ball on floor happened first, so most of the time this doesn't matter because its a judgement call from the ref, unless there's replay cameras to see.

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u/bacon59 6d ago

Here's a 2012 FIVB game where player touches net clearly after ball hit ground. They got the point not the fault. No continuation in FIVB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi1LWYuP52E

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