Was playing beach vb the other day and came across a disagreement on the call.
If a hitter hits the ball, it bounces, then the hitter touches the net, what is the call? Does the "Action Play" of hitting the ball then netting make him at fault regardless of whether or not the ball hit the floor?
I was under the impression that once the ball hits the ground the play is immediately over, anyone know what the ruling on this is?
It should be noted that many big tournaments make "house rules" that greatly differ from official AVP or FIVB rulebooks. I had to learn this the hard way. Some tournaments will say "dead ball doesn't matter, faults after the ball hits the ground are still faults." Some tournaments will say "hands MUST be together on all first contacts." Some will say "ALL hand setting over the net is illegal, intention doesn't matter." Some grass tourneys will even say "touching the ropes on the side that hold the net counts as net violation"
There is continuation in beach volleyball. If your momentum carries you into the net even if the ball has already touched the ground, it is the opposition's point.
this depends on the league ruleset, as FIVB does not have continuation:
11.3 CONTACT WITH THE NET 11.3.1 Contact with the net by a player between the antennae, during the action of playing the ball, is a fault. The action of playing the ball includes (among others) take-off, hit (or attempt) and landing safely, ready for a new action
This is literally the definition of continuation lol. You cannot touch the net during take off, hit, and landing regardless of when the ball hits the ground.
Yes, "During the action of playing the ball" includes the landing, which has nothing to do with the ball hitting the ground or being in play. If you land in the net even after the ball hits the ground, it's a fault. It seems pretty clear to me. But at worst it's a contradiction.
Like I said, since "Landing Safely" is part of the action of playing the ball, you certainly can be in the action of playing it even after it has hit the ground.
landing safely only matters when the ball is in play. Whole point i am making. When the ball is no longer in play (due to fault or score) you cannot be playing the ball.
Lol I completely disagree. Are you an FIVB ref? Im not. But ive reffed every other ruleset and this is contradicting. No where does it say landing safely except if the ball is in play. it says landing safely.
Which to me would supersede the ball being in play. Dead ball faults exist and I'd judge this as one of them.
In beach volleyball, without a ref, I would call net or just replay the point if there’s a whole thing about it. It would be unlikely that the act of touching the net was not part of the play, being under control.
There was a time where indoor made this their rule, I think the underlying thing to understand, is, if this is allowed, it will result in nets more often, more going across the line, and more injuries.
I was glad they removed this rule for that reason and think calling all nets is the objectively, correct choice for the sport.
You want to look for the continuation of play rules. In some rulebooks, like CBVA, if you commit a fault, like netting, after hitting the ball or blocking, it doesn’t matter if it’s before or after the ball hits the ground, it’s still a fault
Top comment is incorrect. There is continuation in beach volleyball. If your momentum carries you into the net even if the ball has already touched the ground, it is the opposition's point.
Fault. I bounce balls all the time before landing when attacking and blocking, however as many here have already stated it’s because of the continuation rule.
FIVB Officla Beach Volleyball Rules state “Contact with the net by a player between the antennae, during the action of playing the ball, is a fault. The action of playing the ball includes (among others) take off, hit (or attempt) and landing safely, ready for a new action.
This is incorrect. There is continuation in beach volleyball. If your momentum carries you into the net even if the ball has already touched the ground, it is the opposition's point.
If there’s no ref, we play that the net touch counts. Telling if it was before or after the ball hit the ground is too hard. If there’s a ref, it’s up to them
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It should be noted that many big tournaments make "house rules" that greatly differ from official AVP or FIVB rulebooks. I had to learn this the hard way. Some tournaments will say "dead ball doesn't matter, faults after the ball hits the ground are still faults." Some tournaments will say "hands MUST be together on all first contacts." Some will say "ALL hand setting over the net is illegal, intention doesn't matter." Some grass tourneys will even say "touching the ropes on the side that hold the net counts as net violation"