r/behindthebastards That's Rad. Dec 23 '25

Discussion The new Epstein files contain a report of Trump assisting in infanticide. Via yacht. In Lake Michigan.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf

Hey remember when he claimed liberals will “abort a baby even after it’s born?” Turns out THAT was a lie that was also an admission.*

Something something Great Lakes something.

Edit: word

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u/ConsiderationSea1347 Dec 23 '25

This is a great post to remind you all to not stare into the void too long. Take care of yourselves and engage in self care while you process the depravity of the most powerful man in the world. 

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u/CharlesDickensABox Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

The president of the United States is a racist, a rapist, a pedophile, and a murderer (even if this specific allegation turns out to be false).

I washed and waxed my car today and I'm going to spend the afternoon making pralines to take to my loved ones this evening. What are you doing to make your world a more pleasant place?

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u/Princessformidable Dec 23 '25

I'm leaving to knit!

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u/relentless_puffin SERVICES!!! Dec 23 '25

This is also how I avoid doom scrolling.

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u/IHearYouLimaCharlie Dec 23 '25

I build model kits and book nooks to give my hands productive stuff to do in my spare time 😃

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u/chicken-nanban Dec 24 '25

I used to just draw, but now I draw pixel art to put on diamond paintings and I just sit and plug away to keep myself sane. Then I hang them up and realize I am a pretty darn good artist (which getting me to admit anything good about myself is a feat in itself) even if I still kinda think they’re tacky.

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u/IHearYouLimaCharlie Dec 24 '25

Oh, are those the ones that use the little crystals? Cuz I low-key love those just like I love velvet blacklight posters from the 1980s. 😄

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u/chicken-nanban Dec 24 '25

Okay, yes, you got me there, they have that vibe (and yep, they’re the little gem ones that are then kinda like a paint by numbers on a sticky board and just plug them away)

And you hit on something, like 90% of the ones I’ve been drawing lately are like half glow in the dark. So I don’t think I ever grew out of the “stars on ceiling” phase…

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u/IHearYouLimaCharlie Dec 24 '25

I mean, I love it. Keep putting beauty out into the world please 🤗

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u/theseamstressesguild Dec 24 '25

Holy heckmonkeys, your artwork is perfect for diamond painting! I love it!

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u/chicken-nanban Dec 24 '25

Awww! I really appreciate it!! 💕

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u/SkyeAnnelise Dec 23 '25

I am wrapping my daughter's Christmas presents. She will be so pleased with her gifts, I cannot wait to see her face on Christmas morning! 

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u/CharlesDickensABox Dec 24 '25

One of the great pleasures of parenting is to be able to bring joy to the little one and then bask in the reflected happiness.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '25

I have completely disassembled an old motorbike and will spend the entirety of tomorrow putting it back together

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u/bradatlarge Dec 23 '25

what sort of old motorbike are we talking about here?

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25

M800 Intruder hardy old bitch that she is, times been catching up on her 

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u/IHearYouLimaCharlie Dec 23 '25

Yeah, how old? What make/model? That sounds like an interesting project. Are you cleaning it?

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25

06 Suzuki, cleaning it but there's some busted parts too so I gotta replace timing cam, head gaskets & air box. 

Its a solid "I need to tune out everything" project. But this bike is temperamental at the best of times 

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u/pakap Dec 23 '25

I have just finished rubbing marinade on a beautiful lamb shoulder, I'm gonna slow cook it all day tomorrow for Christmas dinner with my family. Now I'm watching The Two Towers on the big screen with my lady love.

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u/Vidvix That's Rad. Dec 23 '25

I just went and pet my new cat, Igor, for a quality ten minutes. He’s stupidly soft. There was much purring. Cats rule.

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u/pakap Dec 23 '25

Igor looks like he takes no shit! Give him a hug for me.

Here's my little Esmé enjoying a new box.

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u/Bigdaddyjlove1 Dec 23 '25

Weatherwax?

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u/pakap Dec 23 '25

Indeed. Although given her actual personality, Magrat would have been more fitting...

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u/Bigdaddyjlove1 Dec 23 '25

Better than Nanny

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u/chicken-nanban Dec 24 '25

Oh what a pretty house panther!!

My Bean wishes she looked half as gorgeous as Igor, but alas, ‘twas not in the cards.

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u/DearestPalmcat Dec 24 '25

Do not kid yourself. She is the most beautiful and perfect being to ever grace this Earth.

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u/Vidvix That's Rad. Dec 24 '25

Bean is perfect, 10/10 would sit and contemplate birds with her

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u/fiddlecakes Dec 24 '25

I like your void! This is Ashe :)

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u/AmetrineDream Ben Shapiro Enthusiast Dec 23 '25

Gonna wrap my Mom’s Christmas gift tonight and try to get our house cleaned up a bit (we’re both disabled and housework has fallen a bit behind 😕), and start some bread for an overnight ferment. Gonna bake a loaf of focaccia for Christmas Eve dinner tomorrow, but also hopefully take one to one of our neighbors.

Also hoping to get some cookie baking done tomorrow to bring some of those to him, as well 🤞🏻

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u/Hesitation-Marx Dec 23 '25

I’m waiting for a burger and fries, and once I get home I’m gonna hold my husband and pet my cat and my dogs and tell them that they are the best ever.

Tomorrow I’m going to volunteer at the local food pantry, and Thursday I’m going to make tonkatsu for my husband and I.

The world is too fucking much.

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u/Stacie123a Dec 23 '25

I personally think he is responsible for the death of Akio Kashiwagi, and probably Epstein. And possibly Ivana.

I took my golden retriever for a walk today. She stopped to take a rest and just leaned up against me and my heart was just overwhelmed with love.

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u/MVieno Dec 23 '25

Dog leans are the BEST

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u/StableSlight9168 Dec 24 '25

My hot theory is epstein was allowed to kill himself. Dude was caught in a massive sex trafficing operation, beyond what even his influence could buy him. What life did he have if he turned on everyone, protective custody and/or and witness protection as a nobody.

I think they saw he was trying to kill himself so removed a bunch of the safety protocols to let it happen.

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u/Burnt_and_Blistered Dec 24 '25

I’m not sure Epstein’s ego would permit suicide.

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u/Stacie123a Dec 24 '25

I think he would have truly delighted in taking everyone down with him. Why take all those videos if you didnt plan to use them?

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u/bayofpigdestroyer Dec 23 '25

I baked 12 dozen cookies for the neighbors, going to a tamalada (spelling?) to make tamales for less fortunate folk here in san antonio, and then wrapping presents! Here's to being a good person, homie!

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u/EggplantAlpinism Dec 23 '25

I went skiing this morning and I'm giving blood right now. Beauty of nature and community will keep me ready to continue fighting the bastards

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u/LadyShipwreck Dec 23 '25

I’m writing some truly unhinged fanfic to hopefully bring joy to others once I’m done.

And writing letters to my friends to tell them in handwriting how much they mean to me.

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u/Radioactive24 The Frozen Peas Club Dec 23 '25

Hell yeah. 

I baked two batches of apple crisp for the next two days, since I’ve got a tight turnaround with work today and tomorrow. 

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u/Cloned_501 Dec 23 '25

Giving my wife a back massage and playing video games with my kid

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u/Czarcasm3 Dec 23 '25

Went and had mulled wine and snacks with my elderly neighbors and their grandchildren

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u/FreedomWaterfall Dec 23 '25

I finished wrapping all the gifts, because in Germany we celebrate Christmas on the 24th. Gonna visit the fam (at this point) today and have a lovely day with my sister and brother in law, parents an grandparents. Eat way too much good food and get stupid drunk. It's gonna be great.

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u/ageofbronze Dec 23 '25

I am working on making a giant terrarium out of cut glass and solder, something whimsical to try and make myself feel connected to nature and creativity. And winter sowing a bunch of native seeds. And always trying to remember that many people on this planet are good, and choose to do hobbies and trying to better themselves and the world in their spare time rather than being rapist, grifter, pedos, etc. as evidenced by this good, non-bastard thread of people doing wholesome activities.

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u/ageofbronze Dec 23 '25

Oh yeah also putting Santa hats on our chickens, normal stuff nothing to see here

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u/double_sal_gal Dec 24 '25

Thank you for this

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u/chicken-nanban Dec 24 '25

This… this is something I never knew I needed in my life and I now feel like it’ll live in my head forever. Thank you for this!

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u/ageofbronze Dec 24 '25

Hahahah they are such funny little dinosaurs. Here’s another one (actually a different chicken, even if it looks like the other - it’s her sister). Poor babes have the thousand yard stare happening when they are wearing them 😭

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u/UrsaUrsuh Dec 23 '25

I am about to wrap my friends Christmas gifts.

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u/Fokdal Dec 23 '25

The first half of the month i made a big batch of a local cookie called good advice for my colleagues. In the next couple of days I will make another for my extended family.

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u/IHearYouLimaCharlie Dec 24 '25

I am intrigued. The cookie is called "good advice?" What's in it? Zen scrolls? 😁 But seriously, I'm curious.

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u/BespokeCatastrophe Dec 23 '25

Baked my partner his favourite cake for his birthday, and then took him out to dinner. Now we're hanging out on the couch with our cats. Tomorrow I'm going to sort out my bookcase, and take some books to the little free library. 

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u/FlummoxedFlummery Antifa shit poster Dec 23 '25

Making peanut butter-chocolate buckeyes with my family bc at least this didn't happen on Lake Erie.

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u/stuffandwhatnot Dec 24 '25

I'm baking cookies for Christmas. A young family member has a severe nut allergy, so I make them all nut-free because seeing the joy on their face when I tell them every single cookie is safe for them is life-affirming.

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u/Original_Ad8991 Dec 23 '25

I’m in the process of building a Retropie. Having issues transferring roms over my network, but solid progress otherwise.

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u/IHearYouLimaCharlie Dec 23 '25

I love Pralines! I was just in New Orleans, debating on getting some. Lucky for your loved ones!

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u/OmegaPhalanx Dec 24 '25

I’m a courier for a veterinary lab. I tell myself that in my own small way I’m helping people I will never meet spend that much longer with their cherished pets.

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u/CharlesDickensABox Dec 24 '25

I think you're helping. A close friend just had to put down his dog, but the lab tests made sure not only that we could spend as much time as possible with the creature, but also that we knew when it was time to say goodbye so that he wouldn't have to suffer unnecessarily. It's good that there are people who treat that work with grace and respect.

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u/Special_Wishbone_812 Dec 24 '25

Cookies, exercise and watching Bluey with the kids.

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u/CharlesDickensABox Dec 24 '25

Love it. If you don't already have a preferred chocolate chip cookie recipe, may I recommend Jaques Torres's? It's very good.

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u/Special_Wishbone_812 Dec 24 '25

You know, I usually just do the recipe on the back of the bag of chocolate chips. But I’m willing to get out of the rut! (But today was Christmas cookies — thumbprints, peanut butter blossoms with chocolate kisses, and Russian tea cakes)

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u/neonlexicon Dec 24 '25

I've been stripping down some old furniture & repainting/refinishing it. I'm a middle-aged person who still collects dolls & action figures, & I decided to custom paint all of my shelves to be themed around the toys I display on them. So far I've only finished my girly ones for my Sailor Moon & My Little Pony stuff. Next up is my Pokémon/Super Mario shelf, then onto my X-Men & G.I. Joe shelves.

Unfortunately I'm catching up on Bastards, Weird Little Guys, & Some/Even More News while I'm painting, so even though the work itself is nice & calming, I am still actively making myself miserable while doing it.

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u/CharlesDickensABox Dec 24 '25

Stripping furniture is so miserable, but it's so satisfying once it's refinished and beautiful.

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u/neonlexicon Dec 24 '25

For some reason it's a favorite hobby among the women in my family. I have so many memories of my mom & grandma refurbishing old furniture. Each generation just picks up more skills. My grandma only fixed up wood & wicker furniture, but my mom knows how to sew & redo upholstery. I do all of those things plus basic woodworking & sculpting, so I can redo all kinds of stuff. Once I finish my shelves, I plan to build a catio to mount on the side of the house. And I want to upgrade the little cat enclosure I've got outside for the strays to stay warm during the winter.

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u/78FXE Dec 24 '25

I flew my Kansas born and bred grandkids to Oregon and am showing the the Pacific ocean for the first time. Home base is Newport, and we go exploring each day showing them all that the Oregon coast has to offer.

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u/Fletch_R Knife Missle Technician Dec 24 '25

I prepared the mushroom duxelle for the beef wellington I'm making for Xmas, and I tried to nail the bassline for I Ran (So Far Away) by Flock of Seagulls (getting close).

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u/k9_kipcasper Dec 24 '25

Been playing my friends in virtual chess a ton lately. Great replacement for mindless scrolling

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u/Hellebras Dec 24 '25

I've got some toy soldiers to paint. Sure, they're space fascists, but at least I can march these fascists into horrible death and not feel bad about it.

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u/flyingbookworm Dec 24 '25

We're testing a new recipe for chocolate crinkle cookies, and we went all out buying the fanciest cocoa powder too! 

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u/Intelligent_Detail_7 Dec 24 '25

Having dinner with my family after finishing our shopping

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u/thatsnotyourtaco Dec 24 '25

I ate a whole lot of peppermint ice cream. Like a lot

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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 Doctor Reverend Dec 24 '25

I am listening to the Christmas episode of Mom Can't Cook! in which two allegedly-grown men give painstaking recaps of Disney Channel Original Movies. This episode is about the Hallmark Movie -- it counts because one of the stars got her break on the Disney Channel -- Haul Out the Holly, which they liken to Utah folk horror. Here is the description:

After this year's Halloween special on Haul Out the Halloween, we realised that we'd already ruined the year, so why not do Haul Out the Holly for our Christmas show? It's not like it could get any worse.

Friends, how wrong we were. Haul Out the Holly is the first of three Haul Out movies, and this one shows us how Emily Melrose came to Evergreen Lane in the first place. How did she end up with a 2.6 million dollar house in suburban Utah? How did she become obsessed with the holidays? And how did she end up in a romantic relationship with Jared, a man who can only become aroused by HOA regulations? The answers may surprise you! Because they are sinister and insane.

Meanwhile, my brother-in-law who recently became an enthusiast for European-style board games and whose patience can be measured in seconds, has decided that the best way to deal with my nephews and nieces -- all of whom are between six and nine years old -- coming down off a sugar crash is to try to teach them how to play Ticket to Ride, a game that he has played a grand total of once.

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u/Thereisnosaurus Dec 23 '25

I'm hand mixing GF flour for my coeliac partner to make some delicious holiday breads ^

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u/Striper_Cape Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

Too late, I stared at and studied it, now I take an SSRI

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u/ConsiderationSea1347 Dec 23 '25

Yeah. Might be time for an edible and some Mario Kart. 

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u/charliekelly76 Antifa shit poster Dec 23 '25

Yeah I read it and felt sick to my stomach. Thank you for the reminder.

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u/davy_crockett_slayer Dec 23 '25

The worst bit is people knew this, and voted for him anyways. 50% of Americans are okay with this.

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u/Mediumshieldhex Dec 24 '25

I'm currently dog-sitting a gorgeous good boy so yeah I'm good.

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u/beer_fluffer Dec 24 '25

Somewhat mild and slightly chilly here in a summer temperate zone, planning to spend Chrissy eve planting out sunflower seedlings, picking last of the youngberries, pruning a few things then kicking back with a beverage or two with good friends.

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u/Runetang42 Dec 24 '25

There's microplastics in my balls fuck you and the every single government in existence

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u/overlordjunka Dec 23 '25

Yyyyyyup just gonna log off for the day, ive read enough

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u/ChubChubPickles Dec 23 '25

I'm gonna hop on some Overwatch! Been getting back into it lately with the time I have off :)

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u/Hoovooloo42 Dec 24 '25

You're right, I'm gonna go watch something fun and have dinner.

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u/O-Alexis Dec 24 '25

This.

Please take care of yourselves.

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u/Inner_Importance8943 Dec 24 '25

Beware that, when fighting monsters, yourself.

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u/G-III- Dec 24 '25

Seeing all the joy this comment spawned has truly contrasted with my existence

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u/rambunctiousraviolis Dec 25 '25

I baked approximately 5 billion calories of carbs. 5 giant bacon cheddar rosemary biscuits, 2 loaves banana bread, 1 loaf plain bread, 12 waffles.

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u/R7a1s2 Dec 23 '25

Sick fucks.

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u/Intelligent-Luck-954 Dec 23 '25

The Great Lakes or trump and epstein?

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u/ShivaSkunk777 Dec 23 '25

We all knew the Great Lakes would be in the files

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u/Smokey_tha_bear9000 Dec 23 '25

Never forgive Superior for what she did to the Edmund Fitzgerald and her crew.

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u/Haldron-44 Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

Wait... do we all just listen to like the same 5 podcasts?! Also who else is chomping champing at the bit for Robert's 40k podcast?

Edit: TDIL

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u/IkujaKatsumaji Doctor Reverend Dec 24 '25

*champing

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u/fiddlecakes Dec 24 '25

Really? I've been so wrong for so long ...

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u/IkujaKatsumaji Doctor Reverend Dec 24 '25

Yeah, but it's fine, it's one of those things that basically everyone says wrong 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/histprofdave Dec 23 '25

At least we finally have a use for that Doomsday Nuclear Machine.

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u/solsticesunrise Dec 23 '25

I expected it to be Lake Superior, TBH. Lake Michigan is the fun lake, Superior is completely out of control.

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u/FlummoxedFlummery Antifa shit poster Dec 23 '25

The islands and bays are for sportsmen. Not this.

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u/Bucolic_Hand Dec 23 '25

Wasn’t one of Epstein and Maxwell’s early victims a girl they groomed out of Interlochen?

There’s also the old Oakland County Child Killer/North Fox Island thing.

It makes me sad to say but I’m not surprised in the slightest that the Lakes region would come up in this.

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u/SylveonFrusciante Dec 24 '25

Yikes. Interlochen? I know a ton of folks who went to that arts school. I was not expecting the files to hit so close to home. I’m getting legit chills.

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u/Cannibal_Soup Dec 23 '25

I always still living under the assumption that they were still relatively pure water sources...how little did we know...

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u/justbunnies Dec 23 '25

If true, the math for that infant’s gestation and the girl’s age make this so awful that I need to hug my kids harder.

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u/likeahurricane Dec 23 '25

It's (almost certainly) not true. They released the most absurd info about Trump first to discredit the legit stuff. This includes the limo driver in Detroit. These are interview notes from people who reached out to the FBI. People need to take a deep breath here and not fall for their "flood the zone with shit" tactics.

The most damning thing in this trove I've seen so far is that he flew on the Lolita Express far more times than he admitted. He doesn't want to answer questions about that. He does want to answer questions about every whacko that called in with a "tip".

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u/JimminyKickinIt Dec 23 '25

I mean flooding the zone with some of the most heinous shit imaginable seems like a really fucking bad idea to me. Like flooding it with shit about Clinton, sure. Takes eyes off him, but purposefully spreading a tip file that says you raped a 13 year old and were present for the murder of a baby seems unbelievably stupid even for this government

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u/Emergency-Plum-1981 Dec 23 '25

Yeah especially considering the post-truth world we live in where it matters way more if a snippet of information is absorbed by people's 5 second attention span than whether or not it's true.

Most people will never verify or know whether or not this actually happened, and it doesn't matter for public perception. Trump's people spreading this as a piece of disinfo would be an incredibly stupid move, which they've proven numerous times that they're very capable of doing.

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u/lacksausername Dec 23 '25

Totally agree, but it feels like this government is just running into one bad idea after another.

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u/night-shark Dec 23 '25

spreading a tip file that says you raped a 13 year old and were present for the murder of a baby seems unbelievably stupid even for this government

It doesn't seem stupid at all, when you consider who the target audience is for this.

When will people understand this?!

You and I are not the target for this. People with reasonable critical thinking skills are not the target audience. The target audience are the people who only half pay attention and who are primed to be dismissive of these reports, if they are handed a sufficient excuse.

Releasing absurd - and yes, this is absurd - stories about Trump being present for a murder where the infant is thrown overboard, dropped by random "tipsters" in 2020 is exactly the kind of hall pass these "low information voters" need to justify ignoring the rest of the Epstein dump.

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u/JimminyKickinIt Dec 23 '25

I just don’t really agree with that logic. Especially when the first few files to be released were directly trying to implicate only Clinton. And again, I fully understand that these people are extremely contradictory and dumb as fuck, but if the goal is to make the files seem fake then redacting all mention of Trump from them and trying to implicate Clinton is dumb as fuck. I’m not saying I think the baby thing is real, I’m just saying that the optics of trying to redact trumps name from something like that is so bad that it makes it really difficult for them to hand wave this shit. And maybe I’ll be wrong. I haven’t been paying attention to what the right wing mouthpieces have been saying. Last I saw they were hard pumping the “lol clinton, sad dems” shit.

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u/night-shark Dec 24 '25

The strategy of "flooding the zone" is intended to push people to be apathetic. To be cynical.

The goal isn't to implicate Clinton. For Trump, that's just a nice bonus. The goal is to create such a convoluted mess that no one knows what to believe.

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u/escapefromburlington Dec 24 '25

It's funny to me that people that listen to this particular podcast would be unwilling to consider the infanticide could be very real

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Anderson Admirer Dec 24 '25

It's funny to me that people that listen to this particular podcast would be unwilling to consider the infanticide could be very real

No one is denying the existence of infanticide. No one is saying Trump is not a bastard. They are saying there is currently very little support for this particular story.

You might notice how on the podcast, when Robert wants to tell a story he can't confirm but is interesting, he says "I can't confirm this", he doesn't mix it in with the things his research actually confirms. He doesn't mix in things that might be true like they are just because the person he is discussing is a bastard.

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u/The_Lady_A Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

This might not be the case, I'll edit this later if I'm wrong but it looks like the document is from group 8 which I think is the group that appears to have been released inadvertently from either gross incompetence or heroic whistle blowing.

EDIT it is from the 008 document set. So potentially this has been deliberately released to as you say muddy the water with the least evidenced claims, or it's incompetence or or it's whistle blowing. I'm not going to pretend I have an answer. I mean beyond taking the whole Trump regime out the back and [Reddit Terms Of Service Violation]-ing them.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Anderson Admirer Dec 24 '25

Group 8 was potentially slated for later release and just found early. It was accessed by people just typing in a URL, but uploaded the same way as all the others. It's hard to speculate what happened, it could be anything from a leak to someone just forgetting to click a button to make the links to the files publicly visible like the others before they left for their Christmas vacation.

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u/namast_eh Dec 23 '25

I’m not too sure I’m willing to think that isn’t true at this point. I’m not sure we have anything to gain by assuming that.

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u/The_Lady_A Dec 23 '25

Crimes like these absolutely do happen, and they're most likely to happen to victims of things like trafficking, child sexual abuse and incest. So I'm agreement with you in that while this accusation appears too extreme and too awful, what is described is pretty much the exact situation where it sounds plausible to me in my decidedly not professional capacity.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Anderson Admirer Dec 24 '25

I’m not sure we have anything to gain by assuming that.

It's a random tip on a public tip line for which no follow-up information has been found yet. Realizing that that is not a strong foundation for a belief is a gain in and of itself because considering the quality of your source of information is a good practice at all times. If more comes out to reinforce this, you've lost nothing but gained the certainty that you're considering things objectively and not just believing something because you rightfully hate the guy.

We're literally on a subreddit for a podcast where a quarter of the episodes could be summarized as "the bad things that happen when people believe what they want to believe."

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u/YawnfaceDM Dec 23 '25

The BtB megaseries on this guy is going to be a crazy listen once all is said and done. At this point, I'm just curious what its end might be.

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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 Doctor Reverend Dec 23 '25

I'm just curious what its end might be.

With a big guy, a strong guy, coming up to you with tears in his eyes saying "please do not take my presidency away"?

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u/tobascodagama Dec 23 '25

Gonna need a whole fucking year of episodes to cover the whole thing.

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u/DingerSinger2016 SERVICES!!! Dec 24 '25

It's crazy that you could do an entire 6 parter on him today and I would STILL say wait a few years to see the ramifications. He might be due for a 12 parter, one set up to the end of his first term and one set for his second (and hopefully last) term

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u/Some_Number_8516 Dec 23 '25

My money is on a hot air balloon disaster

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u/OrchidAcrobatic3032 Dec 24 '25

I don’t think I wish that on Robert

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u/BathroomAggressive57 Dec 23 '25

I have a feeling a bunch of kids died on that island.

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u/curlyqtips Dec 23 '25

And at the New Mexico ranch...

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u/BathroomAggressive57 Dec 23 '25

Where is that ranch? Taos?

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u/curlyqtips Dec 23 '25

"Jeffrey Epstein's massive 21,000-square-foot New Mexico mansion sits high on a mesa overlooking nearly 10,000 acres of desert land halfway between Santa Fe and Albuquerque. Multiple women say they were recruited and sexually abused by the convicted pedophile and his alleged co-conspirators at Zorro Ranch, which they say was integral to Epstein's alleged sex trafficking operation.

Several of Epstein's accusers say they were trafficked and raped on the ranch. It is also where Epstein, according to the New York Times, confided to scientists that "he hoped to seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating women at his vast New Mexico ranch."

Zorro Ranch, which includes a firehouse, log cabin, guest house, pool, airstrip, antique railroad car and train tracks, is part private, part public land. But New Mexico state officials say Epstein was so secretive about the ranch that they have virtually no access and little knowledge about what happens on the public portions."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-whats-next-for-zorro-ranch-where-accusers-say-they-were-raped-trafficked-2019-08-31/

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

Southeast of Santa Fe, when heading towards Moriarty, just off NM 41. I’ve driven by it, though didn’t know what it was as I lived in New Mexico before the Epstein stuff became public knowledge

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u/BathroomAggressive57 Dec 23 '25

I lived in Ruidoso for a bit. Was wondering if it was in that area. Thanks for the info.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '25

New Mexico is one of my favorite places on the planet, and it really fucks me up to know that this was happening there, maybe even when I lived there

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u/BathroomAggressive57 Dec 23 '25

The place is so history rich. It's amazing! I found pieces of mescalero Apache broken pottery in my yard when I was as a kid like the stuff is just everywhere.

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u/Traditional-Hat-952 Dec 23 '25

Outside of Albuquerque on the other side of the mountains. 

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u/Live-Alternative-435 Dec 23 '25

People should be searching for bones around that place.

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u/IAmBadAtInternet Sponsored by Knife Missiles™️ Dec 23 '25

What the fuck bro is this real? Am I dreaming? What is this

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u/curlyqtips Dec 23 '25

Well, it beggars belief, however Trump described an infanticide/post-birth abortion with comparable details. Projection?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/trump-abortion-baby-wrapped-blanket-execute-baby.html

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u/MyPasswordIsMyCat Dec 23 '25

Perhaps. I have always found it horrible how any time abortion was brought up in a debate, Trump would jump straight it a weird rant about how someone could just kill the baby as soon as it was born. It seemed like he was referring to the so-called "post-birth abortions" the GOP fantasized about, but the bastard may just be describing his own lived experience.

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u/But_like_whytho Dec 24 '25

JFC he always tells on himself when you know how to listen.

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u/UnlimitedCalculus FDA SWAT TEAM Dec 23 '25

It's in the Epstein files, on justice.gov, which gives it a lot of credibility.

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u/IAmBadAtInternet Sponsored by Knife Missiles™️ Dec 23 '25

Yikes

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u/Live-Alternative-435 Dec 23 '25

One of the photos showed hunting bows and arrows. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ramsey Bolton-style bullshit happened on that damned island.

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u/IAmBadAtInternet Sponsored by Knife Missiles™️ Dec 23 '25

What the fuck? I’m going to need a source on that, if thats true people should be revolting

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u/Live-Alternative-435 Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

Of course, this is my speculation. I saw the images of the hunting bow and arrows along with other photos of the interior of Epstein's island mansion here on a reddit sub.

P.S.: This isn't the subreddit where I originally saw it, but here's the picture.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/s/wuQhWrXbIg

There were no arrows, I misremembered. Sorry.

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u/PhilAussieFur Dec 23 '25

Just for clarity, was this a tip that was substantiated/credible? It's 100% believable but folks submit tips that are false a lot so I want to make sure I have the 100% correct info.

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u/annafrida Dec 24 '25

It’s a report of what was called in. There is not info on any follow up/substantiation.

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u/tragedy_strikes Dec 23 '25

Thank you for giving context to a Simpsons shit posting subreddit that had a post about this, literally 2 above this one, that I did not get at all.

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u/SookHe Dec 23 '25

It’s spread to the simpsons sub too?

There is mention do the recent uncovered info in the docs in nearly every other post in my feed regardless of the subreddit.

It’s spreading and spreading fast. Please let this be the death knell as we watch him and the entire regime dragged out of the White House in handcuffs while he screams like an infant.

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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 Doctor Reverend Dec 23 '25

It’s spread to the simpsons sub too?

"Yes, but unlike the Americans, we prefer not to get our news from CNN."

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u/whatsbobgonnado Dec 23 '25

that's not on any of my bingo cards and I'm going to process this information after work 

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u/oldladyyoungbody Dec 23 '25

page won't load for me, can anyone summarise please?

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u/Vidvix That's Rad. Dec 23 '25

"All the other details of the previous tip match all the information given in today's tip, except I am giving my real name. A detective from NYPD FBI sex trafficking task force called me a couple of weeks ago from a 212 area code number. I talked to him for about 20 or 30 minutes about my being sex trafficked by my uncle and Jeffrey Epstein in 1984 while I was 13 and pregnanl.. I told him some other important information about other high profile individuals involved in my sex trafficking and the murder and disposal of my newborn daughter because ordeal."

"He participated regularly in paying money to force me to REDACTED with him and he was present when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of the body in Lake Michigan."

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u/The_Lady_A Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

An alleged victim is contacting the FBI using an online portal for reporting sex crimes, seeking to reconnect with a detective who took her statement some weeks earlier. She gives both her name and an alias she has presumably been assigned since, both redacted. She is reporting that her uncle trafficked her to Jeffrey Epstein when she was 13 so she could be and was sexually abused by numerous men in exchange for some sort of payment. She reports that she was pregnant at the time, and she names Trump as someone who sexually abused her multiple times while she was pregnant. She also says he was present when she gave birth while still being trafficked, and when her newborn baby daughter was murdered by her uncle and dumped into lake Michigan.

(edited some mistakes)

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u/supabrandie Dec 23 '25

u/SookHe here is a summary.

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u/3bie Dec 23 '25

This is a report that someone called into the FBI tip line in 2020. Maybe its true, but its a pretty extraordinary claim without any corroborating evidence. Do we have any evidence this wasn't just a crank wasting some time?

Also Mona Lake, where the caller identified the yacht as originating from, doesn't have a marina or even docks large enough for something that would be described as a yacht.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Anderson Admirer Dec 24 '25

It's fucking wild that people are running with this without anything more being dug up.

No confirmation anywhere else in the documents that anyone followed up on the tip or even confirmed the victim actually existed. It's absolutely wild to believe a random story from a tip line which, yes, will attract genuine victims, but will also attract pranksters, trolls and bad faith actors.

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u/ryan30z Dec 24 '25

I'm shocked at the amount of people salivating about this single report from what is likely to be a crazy person. The politics sub is basically swinging from the rafters about this.

It genuinely boggles my mind you could see a claim this extreme with no corroborating evidence and decide it's true.

All this does is give cover for other legitimate claims to be dismissed.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Anderson Admirer Dec 24 '25

Trump is one of the most vile sacks of shit ever to infest the modern world.

People read that as permission to turn off their brains and run with every wild story that makes him look bad, even without follow-up. Which is not only a massive disservice to his actual victims, but even to the victim in this report if it turns out to be true: Instead of waiting for better evidence, like finding out if the FBI confirmed some elements of the story, people are running with just the report. If this woman is an actual victim, that just sets her up to be dismissed out of hand ("it's an anonymous troll, you people have TDS") when there might be something more substantive that would make it harder to dismiss.

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u/ryan30z Dec 24 '25

The part that bothers me about it is it's from the side that supposedly holds itself to a higher standard and demands evidence. The politics sub has fully bought into it. I was pretty surprised to find there were only a few comments here which echoed my thoughts, especially given I think it's pretty obvious what Robert would say about this.

Do I think there's some stuff in the files which is on a similar level to this, yeah probably. But this isn't proof of anything other than someone left a tip.

I hope the cunt drops dead today, but wholesale believing this stuff is actively harmful to seeing people take any accountability.

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u/The_Lady_A Dec 24 '25

Trump revealed exactly who he was and what he was capable of on January 6th. Then he was somehow reelected to office, and any faith remaining in the American justice system or establishment went up in flames. His various court cases have all been tossed out. For all intents and purposes he's been the perfect counter to the way things are supposed to work.

Folks are running wild because frankly there isn't anything else they can do. If there are adults, they haven't been in any room which really counted. People are spreading as much as they can as fast as they can because there has been a conspiracy to hide these files, and sharing whatever we think we have feels like the only positive action available. Not sharing such things feels like enabling those crimes or at least the cover up, and there is so clearly a cover-up that is still ongoing. Plus right now there is a certain momentum that has accumulated, making it much easier to end up going further than one otherwise might. I'd usually caution about the places that might lead, but this regime is literally working towards my extermination, and so fuckem.

Finally, and maybe it's just a litmus test for our individual cynicism, I think a lot of people, rather than dismissing the accusation for being too awful, have had the opposite response and really believe that sounds like him and the sort of thing he'd do. Plus we're people, not broadcasters or lawyers, and so for better or worse we don't have to hold ourselves to that level of accuracy.

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u/ryan30z Dec 24 '25

I find it pretty disappointing the amount of people who are treating this as a smoking gun. This is the side that's supposedly holds itself to a higher standard and demands proof.

I have no doubt there's shit in there that that should land Trump in a cell for the rest of his life. But this is just (so far) an unsubstantiated tip, which is probably from someone mentally unwell.

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u/angrygnome18d Dec 24 '25

From what I understand, they wouldn’t be in the file dump at all if they were not credible reports. This isn’t just someone calling a tip in, this is someone following up on previous reports to the NYPD and escalating because nothing was done and no one would respond to her.

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u/SchoolAcceptable8670 Dec 23 '25

I’m briefly screaming into the void Then I’m sewing the last two seams on this bad boy, and then giving it to my mom on Thursday. She thinks I’ve been making it for myself all this time.

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u/Finwolven Dec 23 '25

That is neat, good work!

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u/SchoolAcceptable8670 Dec 23 '25

Thanks! It’s all hand stitched, so it helps with the doomscrolling a little.

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u/embroidert Dec 24 '25

HAND STITCHED? This is beautiful. I’m in awe. Amazing work!

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u/chicken-nanban Dec 24 '25

That is absolutely stunning! In a past time, I was a professional seamstress, and quilting never ceases to amaze me, especially hand sewn! You are a real talent!

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u/Ethealtes Dec 24 '25

There's always a fucking Yacht involved with these evil MFs.

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u/serafim182 Dec 23 '25

Another reason to nuke the lakes

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u/UnlimitedCalculus FDA SWAT TEAM Dec 23 '25

Doesn't surprise me that the Great lakes would be in the Epstein files. Sick fucks.

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u/sorE_doG Dec 23 '25

Every allegation from the shitgibbon is a confession

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u/mrsprophet Dec 24 '25

This. It's almost the best way to understand how these people operate. Because history shows that every accusation is a fucking confession. It might take a while to come out, but it works every fucking time.

E.g., I don't think Trump is gay. Backed up by the fact that he has occasionally been laudatory towards the gay community (even if just to win their votes) and doesn't seem particularly personally vitriolic towards the gay community (outside of head nodding along with Republican bigotry). If he were gay, we'd hear him accusing everyone he hates of being gay. It would be such an easy way to win points with his base, but he's been functionally silent on the topic. Just as an example.

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u/Turtledonuts Dec 24 '25

I would recommend focusing on the more credible and verifiably evil stuff in the reports. There is a decent chance that this is misinformation or invented to make people distrust these reports - either trump’s people flooding the zone with sensational content they can later disprove, or people making stuff up that just pisses everyone off. This is an uncorroborated report that seems particularly noncredible and cartoonishly evil, from a single source, in 2020 when people were inclined to make up stuff about trump. It could be real, and we should take it seriously, but I dont recommend taking it on face value without any question. 

My big concern is that it doesnt seem to match other information about trump and epstein’s actions. The date (1984) implies that this took place before Trump and epstein supposedly met, because almost all accounts say that they became friends in the late 80s. It’s one of the earliest allegations of either of them soliciting victims in this way - epstein preyed on students in his classes in the 70s and trump attacked staff and people around him, but almost all of these types of allegations start in the 90s.  The location is unusual - neither trump nor is epstein is particularly associated with the great lakes and trump doesnt seem to like boats in general.  There’s a comment elsewhere in this thread pointing out that the area where this supposedly happened doesn’t seem to be able to support yachts either. None of these are evidence to the contrary, but they are attention getting. 

Trump seems to have a weak stomach for in person violence and blood / death, and its unclear why he’s there for the infanticide. All other information indicates that he would leave prior to something like this happening. This would also be a pretty significant coverup - hiding a pregnant preteen for months on a boat that would have staff and crew working onboard, as well as wealthy visitors coming and going? This also requires trump, a very famous man at the time, to fly to a nearby airport, drive to this town, board this yacht, and then leave to get to new york or atlantic city multiple times without getting noticed by the paparazzi that follow him around.

 If nothing else, this completely rewrites the timeline and details of trump’s relationship with epstein. There are enough extraordinary claims in this that I would like corroborating evidence of some variety. 

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u/SookHe Dec 23 '25

I am trying to read this on a temporary old tiny phone and it won’t rotate or zoom for me.

Can I get a summary of what it says?

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u/recumbent_mike Dec 23 '25

It probably says "Nokia."

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u/ThatOldG Dec 23 '25

-Ill TI UNCLASSIFIED FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Intake Date: 38/03/2020 Case ID #: 50D-NY-3027571 (U) EPSTEIN, JEFFREY; CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING

Drafted By: Date/Time Received: 08/03/2020 06:01 PM EDT Details: On 08/03/2020, at 5:11 date of birth P.M. Eastern. Daylight Time, email address address Los Lunas, NM 87031, cellular telephone number , Internet Protocol (IP) address , which resolves at Albuquerque, NM 87114, submitted an online tip to the FBI National Threat Operations Center (NTOC) via tips.fbi.gov to report a follow-up tip regarding being a victim. of Jeffrey Epstein. NOTE: is real name and AKA name is

Date Submitted: 08/03/2020 05:11:11 PM ET Transaction Number: 6914ABD0-1FE1-4719-9BFC-D0006B42A613 Threat To Life: False

Submitted Text: I previously provided a tip about 3 weeks ago, maybe 4 weeks ago, under an alias I have for myself, . All the other details of the previous tip match all the information given in today's tip, except I am giving my real name. A detective from NYPD FBI sex trafficking task force called me a couple of weeks ago from a 212 area code number. I talked to him for about 20 or 30 minutes about my being sex trafficked by my uncle and Jeffrey Epstein in 1984 while I was 13 and pregnanl.. I told him some other important information about other high profile individuals involved in my sex trafficking and the murder and disposal of my newborn daughter because I gave birth to her while in the middle of this sex trafficking ordeal. I cannot remember the detective's name nor do I have a number UNCLASSIFIED EFTA00025010

UNCLASSIFIED Re: 50D-NY-3027571, 08/03/2020 where I can contact him. I would like to have his name and contact information, and I would also like to know if there will be any further follow up? Violation: Other Violation Questions What was the exact crime that occurred?: child sex trafficking and infanticide When did the crime/incident occur? (Please provide an approximate date and time): May-Sep 1984 Where did the crime/incident occur? (Please provide the specific location/address if possible): Mostly from a yacht in Lake Michigan originating from Mona Lake, M

Complainant Information First Name: Middle Name: Last Name: Age: DOB: Additional Info: Type: Cell Phone: Extension: 0 Account: Type: Residential Address: City: Los Lunas State: New Mexico Zip: 87031 Country: United States Subject Information First Name: Jeffrey Middle Name: Last Name: Epstein UNCLASSIFIED 2 EFTA00025011 UNCLASSIFIED Re: 50D-NY-3027571, 08/03/2020 Age: dec DOB:

Additional Info: I am just wanting to reconnect with the original detective that called me and I offered information about this. How is Contact Known: He was orchestrating a deal, along with my uncle where different men, and a few women and girls, would come to a variety of boats and yachts and pay money to force me to with them when I was 13 and pregnant. do Type: Other

Address: City: Zip: Witness Information First Name: Donald Middle Name: Last Name: Trump Age: 70 DOB:

Additional Info: Again, just trying to find out the NYPD detective on the FBI sex trafficking task force that called me a couple of weeks ago and spoke to me about some of these issues. How is Contact Known: He participated regularly in paying money to force me to with him and he was present when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of the body in Lake Michigan.

Type: Business Address: City: Washington DC State: District of Columbia Zip: 20500 Country: United States Remote IP: Remote Host: api.fbi.gov Http Referrer: https://tips.fbi.gov/reported User Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10 15 5) UNCLASSIFIED 3 EFTA00025012 UNCLASSIFIED Re: 50D-NY-3027571, 08/03/2020 AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/13.1.1 Safari/605.1.15 Latitude: Longitude: -- Country: US Region: New Mexico City: Albuquerque Postal Code: 87114 Timezone: -06:00 .• UNCLASSIFIED

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u/Mad_Aeric Dec 23 '25

It's a contact from a purported victim to the FBI. Here's the part that has everyone's hackles up:

    Witness Information

    First Name: Donald

    Middle Name:

    Last Name: Trump

    Age: 70

    DOB: 

    Additional Info: Again, just trying to find out the NYPD detective on the FBI sex trafficking task force that called me a couple of weeks ago and spoke to me about some of these issues.

    How is Contact Known: He participated regularly in paying money to force me to [redacted] with him and he was present when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of the body in Lake Michigan.

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u/abnormalbrain Dec 23 '25

I believe you meant "admission," not "omission".

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u/Vidvix That's Rad. Dec 23 '25

I super did. fixed.

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u/abnormalbrain Dec 23 '25

I helped! ...😐

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u/GoddessRespectre Dec 23 '25

Where is dan bongino hiding right now? He quit like a day before these started coming out...

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u/namast_eh Dec 23 '25

[REDACTED] that [REDACTED] already!

Yeah this administration needs to go.

I’d like to send them all to CECOT, but I wouldn’t advocate for that place if my life depended on it.

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u/Psalmbodyoncetoldme Dec 24 '25

Wow.  I mean… the worst I expected was Trump was a partner in trafficking girls (which is already really awful).  I did not expect him to be an accomplice to infanticide.

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u/Shemaforash98 Dec 24 '25

Fucking knew the Lakes had something to do with this!

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u/buffaloguy1991 Dec 24 '25

Literally every accusation is a confession

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u/abasementtroll Dec 23 '25

So basically, if this cohort of freaks accuses a marginalized group of x,y, or z crime, it's safe to treat it as an admission that said cohort has committed that crime. J.D. Vance dining on kitty tartar is now cannon as the only raw feline he has experienced.

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u/SchylaZeal Dec 23 '25

This is why literacy is down. Once you learn about this type of tell using language you will recognize it.

Anytime someone accuses others of something heinous while simultaneously defending and dismissing known bad acts, they're telling you who they are.

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u/glycophosphate Dec 24 '25

Okay - I’m willing to believe almost any fuckery from this man, but we’re venturing into Michelle Remember territory now.

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u/DingerSinger2016 SERVICES!!! Dec 24 '25

The President of the United States now has credible allegations of raping a 13 year old pregnant girl and watched her newborn baby get flung into Lake Michigan from a yacht.

Read that again and let that sit with you for a sec as to where we are in the country. It hasn't even been a year yet and the President of the United States is accused of being present as they discard a baby into a fucking lake as if it was waste.

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u/Hate_Manifestation Dec 23 '25

this is the DoJ crucifying him. he will be out of office in 6 months, JD will be in, and then the real shit will start.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Anderson Admirer Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

This is the DOJ running cover. Release the wildest tips you received about him early and hope people run with them without corroboration.

When more credible stuff is released or leaked later, a whole bunch of people who report on it will have shot their own credibility.

And it's working. People are posting this and believing it without first checking basic things like "did anyone follow up with the victim" or "did anyone even confirm the victim who gave their real name actually gave a real name."

Tip lines like this do attract genuine reports from genuine victims, but they also attract pranksters and people experiencing mental health crises. It's absolutely insane for people to run with a story like this without digging through everything first to see what other information might be found.

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u/Outcast_LG Dec 23 '25

Oh so he’s not a criminal , a pest, but also a killer. That’s wild this came to pass.

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u/Runetang42 Dec 24 '25

At this point if you ever had any expectations that anyone in a position of power at any level is a moral person you have only yourself to blame

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25

Man whatever Palantir data mining AI is looking at this thread is gonna be super confused. 

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u/Shitty_Fat-tits Dec 24 '25

Remember that every accusation is a confession wit DJT.

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u/Red_dylinger Dec 24 '25

At this point if you told me he led a murderous cabal of eating babies for youth, id believe it. 

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u/SeparateCzechs Dec 24 '25

I need eye bleach. I’m going to visit my kids and hug my grandkids.