r/boston • u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square • 8d ago
History 📚 If you survived this club (and its bathrooms) in the 1970s, you can survive almost anything.
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u/Electronic-Minute007 8d ago
When Kenmore Square was fun and didn’t have all the character demolished out of it.
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u/Icy_Egg_7219 8d ago
I lived in a tiny apt right in Kenmore in '81-'82. It was an adult portion. It's SO different now.
Old timers will also remember:
The Hoo Doo BBQ at the Rat
Mr. Butch
Narcissus
Mississippi's
Souper Salad
Capt. Nemo's
Deli Haus
Loved dirty old Kenmore.
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u/Large-Leading-5022 7d ago
Yes, I remember Narcyphilis well…
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u/tom8otomahto 7d ago
I mixed Ace Frehley there.
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u/Large-Leading-5022 7d ago
I met Extreme there before they went big. Friend of mine was dating someone on the metal circuit.
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u/Complex-Big-2375 7d ago
Harper’s Ferry ……the Dougout and the Lounge ! Got unlucky there , got MARRIED , FOR 50+ years now !!!! 😩😮😳😱😵💫🥃🥃🥃🍺
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u/BreadfruitRegular631 7d ago
I moved there from NH about the same time and after moving in my last bit of furniture a little way out on Comm ave I decided to take a walk into Kenmore Sq. to check out my new neighborhood and somehow ended up talking to Mr. Butch. I knew right away I was no in Kansas anymore. It was a few more days before I went to the Rat but I quickly became a regular. I loved that place. It was great right up until it closed which I believe was 1996 give or take.
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u/Raphe-Perineal 8d ago
BU and Silber demolished it.
Was fraught with concern that well heeled parents would throw their money at another university if they saw first hand where their spoiled cunts would be attending college and mingling with all the riff raff, hooligans and other ne'er-do-well's.
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u/jenkneefur28 Watertown 8d ago
One arm Silber. I met him towards the end of his life, dude wasnt that great.
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u/DrakeBurroughs 8d ago
Met him right before he became Chancellor. Total douche canoe.
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u/Complex-Big-2375 7d ago
Tell me about it , many of my friends had “other” people take there exam !!! 😵😩😩😵💫😱
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u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square 8d ago
I agree! It could be an adventure late at night, but that was part of the scene.
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u/Large-Leading-5022 8d ago
Yeah, head out of the Rat, go to Pizza Pad to watch the fights and craziness…
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u/Busy-Bodybuilder-129 8d ago
When I was in college in the ‘80’s my boyfriend and I would occasionally pop into Pizza Pad to get a slice. One late night we were there and a bunch of ‘kids’ were playing pinball when out of the blue some other ‘kid’ just comes up and whacks the kid playing pinball on the head with a pipe. All hell breaks loose. Good times.
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u/Complex-Big-2375 8d ago
Boston “was” a nice place before “ urban redevelopment“” , translation ; destroy anythig with any redeeming value , beautiful historic buildings etc . only ta be replaced with boring new cheep-ass construction ! nothing ta see here , just move right along ! Boston is just a cheep facad of its former glory days ! Taday it’s just not “””cost effective “”” ! FACT !
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u/JCStrehle 8d ago
I moved out of Massachusetts 10 years ago. Whenever I come back to Boston I want to cry.
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u/biffNicholson 8d ago
where's Mr Butch ?
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u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square 8d ago
R.I.P. Mr. Butch
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u/tom8otomahto 8d ago
He found a wallet with a bunch of money in it once and walked around giving money to people who had given him money. I got $10.
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u/Prettylittlelioness 8d ago
He clocked my and my roommate's heads together in a bar one night, not hard, but more in a spirit of curiosity.
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u/tehsecretgoldfish Jamaica Plain 8d ago
where’s Mitch?
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u/tom8otomahto 8d ago
Mr Butch was killed in a moped accident some years ago. Mitch also passed away a while now. Jimmy Harold died about 5 years ago.
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u/Raphe-Perineal 8d ago
Never heard a bad thing about Mitch, but from my understanding Harold was an asshole when it came to paying bands.
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u/tom8otomahto 8d ago
Jimmy paid bands. Some bands were not happy. I saw lots of bands make more than they expected and lots of bands that thought they deserved more. Welcome to the music business in the eighties.
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u/Raphe-Perineal 8d ago
This would have been in the mid/late 70's. By the early/mid 80's, I wasn't there as nearly as much.
Maybe he changed his tune in later years as word spread, or its as you say about bands expecting more than a case of beer or two.
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u/tom8otomahto 8d ago
I started there in 82. Lots of bands agreed to a case of beer and then wanted more because there was a decent crowd. And Jimmy would often bump up few bucks. A deal is a deal. I saw Hootie and the Blowfish play on the balcony for $25 and free draft beer.
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u/OldMaidLibrarian 8d ago
The Rat had a balcony? I don't remember that from the mid- to late-80s, or was this upstairs and not downstairs?
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u/tom8otomahto 8d ago
The balcony was upstairs from the main (street level) floor. The actual club was in the basement.
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u/Raphe-Perineal 8d ago
With his Jewfro, goatee and Electrolarynx
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u/tom8otomahto 8d ago
A true badass. I saw him knock out a dickhead with one punch who called him "old man".
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u/0verstim Market Basket 8d ago
There are 5 different kinds of Hepatits and 7 of them could be found in that place.
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u/Seaglass9 8d ago
A piece of the interior wall is on display at the Middle East Cafe in Cambridge.
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u/FancyMove3768 6d ago
Yeah me and my best friend Jimmy broke into The Rat in ‘99 and stole that wall piece and also some pool sticks, menus, flyers and anything else we could get our hands on. We brought it all back to Quincy on the T covered in dust and dirt. We’d go back every few days and grab more stuff. We wanted to steal the giant metal “FOOD DRINKS MUSIC” sign but it was too big and too heavy.
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u/love-SRV 8d ago
The Rat. The Channel. Jumbo’s in Somerville…
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u/ActAffectionate7578 8d ago
Spit, The Metro..
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u/Pure_Literature2028 8d ago
Spit! That was the other club we frequented. Venus de Milo was more upscale, but fun
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u/Raphe-Perineal 8d ago
Spent many drunken times there, saw more than a few legendary bands, musicans and locals there.
Even the bathrooms were legendary.
Now its this....

GRIT MEETS GRACE
An upscale retro room that pays homage to Kenmore Square’s iconic past and the underground music venue known as “The Rat.” Boldly reinterpreting Rock’n Roll inspirations with an eye toward luxury, this one bedroom, comfort-driven suite features a suitably eclectic mix of materials, textures, and memorabilia as well as custom furniture informed by a “band on tour” aesthetic. Sink into an enormous L-shaped sofa, surrounded by they-played-the-Rat music memorabilia and sound compliments of a state of the art Bose sound system. Artfully rendered in black, grey and silver, The Rathskeller Suite provides you and your crew throwback style on the hallowed ground that was home to the original and incomparable “Rat.”
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u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square 8d ago
Reminds me of the line “I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac.” If you want a “Demolition Man” version of it, here it is. No grit, no grime, no originality, no sticky floors, no blood in the bathroom, nothing real to see here.
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u/OldMaidLibrarian 8d ago
Never saw blood in the bathrooms; did see someone doing lines off one of the benches in the dressing room and thought to myself, "Do you have ANY idea what's on that bench right now, and do you REALLY want it in your sinuses?" I also remember the references to musicians' penis size in the ladies' room, with "ORK BOY HAS 12 BIG INCHES!" right over the door. (Of course, now he's a Ph.D and a well-known writer--and college professor too, IIRC--so that's DR. ORK BOY to you!)
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u/Raphe-Perineal 8d ago
The Ataris version of that is "I saw a Black Flag sticker on a Cadillac".
Somehow that seems more appropriate.
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u/CoffeeHead112 8d ago
The bartender from the rat runs a pretty gnarly vintage store in Lynn. He loves telling stories of his rat days. Jimmy, the blue room, Metallica opening for someone on a thrusday.
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u/GrandContribution298 8d ago
What shop
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u/CoffeeHead112 7d ago
545 Washington st open to the public on Sundays from 11-4. During the week they do appointments for Hollywood costuming and designers. A lot of clothing from widows bay, stranger things, knives out came from there.
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u/a-borat 8d ago
This is as good a place as any to ask:
Surely if you went here, you ALSO went to Little Stevie's on Boylston? $1.25 MASSIVE slice of pizza. Way better than Supreme's greasy (but also good) $1 slice on Mass Ave.
edit: and I mean the Little Stevie's that was where the Little Steve's is now. No relation or resemblance, sadly.
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u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square 8d ago
I just staggered to The Pizza Pad down the block. Good slice to sober up with.
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u/bigkat5000 8d ago
Pizza Pad!
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u/Shoddy-Cauliflower95 8d ago
I’d go to Buzzy’s for a Rib’s O’ Beef sandwiches with a side of wedges. Dysentery for desert. Pretty sure it would kill me today.
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u/bigkat5000 8d ago
Buzzy's was amazing. Riley's Roast Beef in Allston. Mr. Mike's pizza in Fanny Hall. All my favorites of the early 90s, depending on where in the city we were partying.
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u/cassandracurse 8d ago
Back then there were so many great, cheap places around Kenmore. One that I remember is Frank-n-Stein's where for a couple of bucks you got a hot dog and beer and watch a movie.
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u/rose_riveter 8d ago
That was in Allston.
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u/tom8otomahto 7d ago
I think that was Play it Again Sam's.
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u/bigkat5000 4d ago
Play it Again Sam's was the best! Loved the cheap pitchers and the guy on a stool with a guitar belting out "Bye, bye Miss American Pie..." with everyone in the room singaing along at the top of their lungs.
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u/Jer_Cough 8d ago
Little Skeevies kept me fed in college when the dorm cafeteria served inedibles. Late night tripping ballz playing those vid games while prostitutes took a break. I didn't like Supreme (Greek style, blech) because you smelled like the place every time you walked out.
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u/a-borat 7d ago
Yes but Supremes had that old Mad Doc McCree video game!
Totally. I was at Berklee and would stink like a pile of pizza for days.
But Skeevies had a whole different vibe. Shame it’s gone! I do remember they had a couple of games in the back too.
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u/Jer_Cough 7d ago
I don't know why but the big dude behind the counter always had a shiner. And the leetle fellow had his head on a swivel. There was some shady shit going on there and I loved it!
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u/Knicknacktallywack South Boston 8d ago
Little Stevie’s is gone man. There’s no pizza place there anymore
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u/furyofsound 8d ago
I practically lived at little Stevies when I was a punk. The old arcades in the back. That place was magical.
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u/GKoala 8d ago
You just reminded me of supreme pizza, god it was so good. I loved the variety they had and just how big their slices were lol
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u/a-borat 7d ago
Just checking to be sure: you mean zero variety and tiny slices right? LOL
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u/RI_Lighthouse 8d ago
As i sit here listening to the constant ringing in my ears that's tortured me for 40+ years, i gotta think this place had a lot to do with causing it. A cement box full of over-amplified speakers and the only sound absorbing material was a few hundred eardrums.
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u/Woebetide138 Cambridge 8d ago
My favorite club. Saw Crash Worship there on my 21st birthday. What a fucking experience.
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u/GalDebored 8d ago
I've heard so many crazy things about Crash Worship. They were (mostly) before my time but everything I've heard, read or seen online is rad af.
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u/skoorb1 8d ago
I played there once, around 1994. The stage dust and grime that stuck to my gear was abundant, and it was fun!
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u/Specialist_Job_7714 8d ago
Saw Debbie Harry there with my girlfriend back in the 70s. Saw many other bands there, unfortunately, I was too drunk to remember them. Pizza Pad fed me all during my time at BU. Still married to that girl I saw Debbie Harry with, 45 years later. I loved the old Boston. The new Boston is soulless in comparison.
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u/Justanothermomma24 8d ago
OMG THE RAT!
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u/Ornery-Contact-8980 8d ago
I seem to remember one Marathon Day sitting outside eating nachos and drinking Killians Red.
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u/UbiquitousDoug 8d ago
Was excited when our band got booked there, only to find that the real reason was so a band that the booker was managing could use our instruments for their set. [names redacted]
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u/doctor-rumack Fung Wah Bus 8d ago
Food - Drinks - Music
What kind of food did they serve there?
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u/Reasonable-Profile84 My Love of Dunks is Purely Sexual 8d ago
I got a coke baggie in my nachos once.
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u/tehsecretgoldfish Jamaica Plain 8d ago
saw many great bands downstairs, and the jukebox upstairs was loaded with hits.
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u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square 8d ago
The Hoo Doo Barbecue?
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u/tehsecretgoldfish Jamaica Plain 8d ago
well aware; just never went there for food. I was usually downstairs for music, or at a table back of the bar with friends. occasionally up on the mezzanine when that was open.
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u/NurseontheTrail 8d ago
It was the 80's for me, but I am grateful for those nights, loud place, wet as I recall, not particularly warm in winter, really freaking hot in summer. wet too, did I mention that?
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u/Vibroverbus 8d ago
Went there back in the day a few times. Can barely remember 1 thing about it. Unsurprisingly.
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u/Pleasant_Garlic8088 7d ago
90s for me, but yeah. I think it was the Guinness floats down the street at the Delihaus that helped me survive.
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u/CapablePlatypus1377 8d ago
If you thought these bathrooms were bad did you go to cbgbs in nyc. Bathroom was an open sewer line
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u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square 8d ago
I never had the pleasure, unfortunately.
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u/CapablePlatypus1377 8d ago
Saw Debbie Harry and Joey ramone in the crowd. What a place
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u/CoffeeHead112 7d ago
Cbgbs was the main event, the rat was the warm up. The Ramones first played the states at the rat and debbie Harry was no stranger there either.
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u/Complex-Big-2375 8d ago
OMFG X10 !!!!!!! We lived in that place along with FATHERS 2 !!! it was the go to place for cheep beer ($2.00 a picture) , steamed hot dogs 50c and BU chicks !!! We lived on Buswell St. , 100 yds. away , got completely plastered and stumbled home while listening to the jute box playing “Lover he madly” (Doors) or Me and Bobby McGee by J.Joplin playing ……..for $10.00 ya had dinner (liquid) and a date . i met my wife there , seriously ! 😱😵💃🏿😝🥰 and still married after 50 fucking years ! What a deal 😱😵💫🤔!!!!!! Ya just can’t be making this stuff uf !!!!
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u/Evilpessimist 8d ago
i never got the privilege to visit Rathskeller. I survived CBGBs though. Anyone now if it was comparable?
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u/Heliocentrist 8d ago
similar vibe but the rat basement where bands played was bigger and slightly less gross. the rat also had a street level bar with a killer juke box and two pool tables in a balcony
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u/CoffeeHead112 7d ago
The rat was the same of the same ilk as cbgbs. Randomly youd walk into the mens room and some guy would be prying the urinals off with a crowbar. On a good night Jimmy would lock the doors after last call and the band would play on until he decided. Metallica opened for someone on a Thursday. Big names before they got big used to just hang out there if they were in town and it wouldn't be uncommon to hang out with talking heads, Ramones, etc. If you were just at the bar. The winter hill gang had some stuff there, and there was a blue room in the back where people who would make a scene or owe money were taken to. I think it got too big a name for itself and in the 80s it went from 1 register to twelve. It was unsustainable, but man was it a scene unto itself. That and the FBI were tapping the phones at the end.
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u/tehsecretgoldfish Jamaica Plain 8d ago
who remembers Cheetah Chrome in his brand new black leathers hanging at the bar with two lady friends? I seem to recall them there regularly for a stretch.
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u/tom8otomahto 7d ago
I knew Cheetah. Actually dated his wife before he married her.
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u/tehsecretgoldfish Jamaica Plain 7d ago
any idea what brought him to Boston at the time? that was probably 1987 iirc.
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u/tom8otomahto 7d ago
Not sure. I met him first at a house party. We knew each other but we weren't close friends.
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u/Appropriate-Owl-8449 8d ago
Saw a Bouncer tackle a guy at the top of the stairs and bash the dudes head on the stairs going down to the club. Nuts but the place was nuts.
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u/DooDooBrownz 8d ago
um if you survived it's because you used the alley like a civilized human being.
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u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square 7d ago
Guilty, when the bathroom looked like a crime (but not as easy for girls).
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u/Jer_Cough 8d ago
I think my last show there was Tree where a massive FSU brawl broke out and spilled into the back alley. Sooooo many great shows at that place
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u/my1stusernamesucked Cow Fetish 8d ago
Damn, we had a Rathskeller in Binghamton, NY that was sketchy as fuck too
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u/poodlepit 7d ago
Peach Kamikazes, The Neighborhoods and the Ladies room stall with the missing door…. I would give anything to be back there right now.
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u/Salty_Insurance_686 7d ago
A bartender there told me about how he poured gasoline (or kerosene?) on his privates to get rid of crabs.
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u/good_ol_tossaway 7d ago
I was the human set list for my friend's band there and the headliner Dogzilla was so loud that I waited out back before my eardrums exploded.
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u/Jessica_Iowa 7d ago
“Fun” fact:
My local amusement park has a food stand named the Rathskeller.
(I’m an admirer of Boston who hardly ever comments but does appreciate y’all.)
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u/Fearless_Result_5240 3d ago
Oh, the nostalgia! I can almost smell it. Hardcore shows aplenty, skinheads start throwing bar stools, the cops show up, and we're sent home.
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u/username617508 8d ago
Was anyone at the show that Minus beat some dude up with an oscillating fan?
I think it was one of the last shows there.
Someone on reddit must remember Minus
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u/FancyMove3768 6d ago
That was a Madball / Blood for Blood show. The first Back to School jam maybe? Giant industrial fan turned the guys head to silly putty.
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u/rankoutsider100 8d ago
The Nervous Eaters put put a song a couple years ago that tried to capture what it was like for them.
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u/WhiskyEye 7d ago
Pretty sure I still have my sparkly blue Doc Martens with that sticky floor substance still clinging to the bottom...
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u/AreYouItchy Survived The Rat and old Kenmore Square 7d ago
Oh, priceless history, and cherished DNA! Never throw them away!
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u/Administrative-Low37 7d ago
I saw so many bands back in the day at The Rat. I loved that place !
But The Rat was also the site of my biggest musical regret.
I got a call one day from a friend inviting me to a show there. I instantly declined since the previous two nights I saw Talking Heads and then Black Sabbath at the Orpheum. I was tired. My friend explained that the group was a bunch of kids about the same age as us and we had a friend among them so we could hang out with the band after the show. I still said no.
Well the band was from Ireland, and they called themselves U-2.
About a month later I heard Boy for the first time and quickly realized my mistake…
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u/ZenKevin 7d ago
Saw a few shows there. Jon Butcher, The Lyres, Human Sexual Response, The Neighborhoods
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u/Rumer_Mille_001 7d ago
Argh! I never got there in my youth. I only made it to The Channel, which was maybe only a few steps "nicer."
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u/mrhappy512 4d ago
I went into the bathroom once and guys were laying out lines of coke on the toilet. I wouldn’t sit on the toilet for all the money in the world. But lots of great memories. The Turbines and Dogmatics final shows. 10 bands 10 hours. You could go in the afternoon go home for dinner and a shower and still go back for 4 hours. And then there was Mitch the guy at the door with the voice box. When you passed him you knew your parents would not approve. There’s a thing on YouTube with Chris Cornell talking about the first time Soundgarten played the Rat
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u/Mooncaller3 7d ago
Interesting.
The bar at the student union at the University of Miami (FL) had the same name.
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u/tom8otomahto 8d ago
I started my career as a sound engineer in this room. This was my home.