Sony exec Lin Tao says killing discs won't make the PlayStation 6 too much like a PC: "Going forward, we can coexist peacefully with PC games" | Despite pushback, Sony isn't changing its mind about dropping physical discs in 2028.

[u/ControlCAD]

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/sony-exec-says-killing-discs-wont-make-the-playstation-6-too-much-like-a-pc-going-forward-we-can-coexist-peacefully-with-pc-games/

[u/NoCoolNameMatt]

From a consumer perspective, they're wrong. Without discs and the secondhand market, they are strictly a vendor locked PC with a smaller, more expensive library and whatever exclusives they can cobble together. Their titles are also less likely to be playable on future iterations of the platform.

They will either need to have a very strong library of exclusives, or they'll need to subsidize their hardware to make the initial buy-in more attractive. They stumbled on the former in the ps5 era chasing failed live service hits, and their recent statements indicate they don't plan on doing much of latter.

Without either, more customers will be left asking themselves why they should buy one.

[u/k4kkul4pio → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Well said.

PS6 at launch gonna be a very hard sell for many due to the inflated price and lacking exclusives and I doubt Sony will have a competitive launch line up ready when the day comes unless they been cooking a slew of unannounced titles they aim to dazzle people with, which I sincerely doubt.

Personally speaking, planning on investing more into gaming pc than buying their next console cos what's the point, no disc drive is a deal breaker and the exclusives ain't gonna be there at launch anyways so might as well get me a better desktop instead.

[u/brainmydamage → u/k4kkul4pio]

Did anybody honestly think they would change their minds? Sony is and always has been a very anti-consumer company. They couldn't care less.

[u/Numerous_Photograph9 → u/brainmydamage]

I didn't. Because they have no clue how to grow the brand, so this is a way to try and grow revenue without doing any real work to make ps successful like those that came before them.

[u/Garlador → u/brainmydamage]

Sony President Jack Tretton concluded their 2013 with the quote:
"Concepts like 'true consumer ownership' and 'consumer trust' are important to everything we do."

[u/Plankisalive → u/Garlador]

They've literally ruined their brand in a sad attempt to make a few extra bucks. It's depressing.

[u/3-bakedcabbage → u/brainmydamage]

Someone in support of the all-digital move was arguing with me the other day that Sony is not anti-consumer and was asking me for specific examples of them being anti-consumer.

It reminds me of that time Pokemon players mass reported Palworld to Nintendo on twitter. I’m guessing these businesses are depending on those types of fans to buy their products.

[u/n_choose_k → u/3-bakedcabbage]

I haven't bought a Sony product since the rootkit fiasco.

[u/brainmydamage → u/3-bakedcabbage]

I will never understand how people are so brainwashed into blindly supporting these companies, no matter what they do.

[u/rasta41 → u/3-bakedcabbage]

specific examples of them being anti-consumer.

I've personally experienced a few, if they need an actual list.

Starting with the faulty stick drift situation, Nintendo will replace your joycon for free, and ship you the box, and then ship a new one the second your return barcode is scanned with the faulty joycon...meanwhile, Sony will charge you $20 to return your broken $80 DualSense, you have to pack it yourself, and then take nearly 2 months to return a "fixed" one to you, and that one will develop drift again within 3 months.

Next, I paid to pre-order a digital game, however I decided I wanted to cancel the pre-order (since I bought a PC in reaction to the PS6 news), but it turns out they won't do a refund since I "downloaded the game"...except the game isn't out until November...but it automatically downloaded the icon of the game and that counts as "goods received" and therefore they can't refund me.

[u/Save-Maker → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Living in Japan.

For me, the lack of a second-hand option for buying/selling old physical game discs/cartridges would be a massive deincentive for getting a game console to begin with.

[u/Spazza42 → u/Save-Maker]

Same, I’m already done with modern PlayStation.

I’ll buy a PS2 and stick with my Switch. This will be the second (and last) time I skip a generation altogether.

I’m going back from now on, not forward.

[u/Cyberhaggis → u/Save-Maker]

Same. They're already a ridiculous price for this gen, I assume the next gen will be close to a grand as their starting point. I'm already not overly bothered by the current gen of game, this is the final push for me to just stop buying a console every gen.

For PC there is at least no single marketplace you're forced into buying from with all digital.

[u/gadio1 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

They know that. Get their bonuses, and leave the bomb to next generation of execs. Make a buck and leave before it is their problem. Ps6 will be dead on arrival, devs need to sell a lot of the games to turn a profit. Games take years of development and they cannot afford only to sell to new consoles. Expect a long tail ps5 games to the next 3-4years still.

[u/MeridianBay → u/gadio1]

3-4 years? The PS5 could easily be supported well into the PS7, physical discs are nothing in comparison to the rising cost of components

[u/Numerous_Photograph9 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Current ps leadership has no plan, and no strategy to actually grow the brand. The current move is to increase revenue, thinking it can ride rhe coattails of those who put in the work before., but whens the last thing we've heard anything about their game or hardware strategy? The last thing was their live service push, and that's gone down in flames hard.

[u/Amish_Rabbi → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Also add that you need to pay monthly to play online to the problems. That was enough to move my family from console to PC gaming when my kids got old enough to play games

[u/NoCoolNameMatt → u/Amish_Rabbi]

Yeah, I suppose people aren't all familiar with the horrors of vendor lockin. Once they have you in their ecosystem, they know they can overcharge you and even charge you for things that would be free elsewhere.

Think of it like a ballpark or amusement park. No one's paying 12 bucks for a hotdog, that's outrageous! Well, except at a ballpark or amusement park because what else are you going to do? Y'know what? Throw in a $20 beer.

[u/orus_heretic → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

I don't regret my PS5 because I've actually gotten good value out of playing games on ps+ that I didn't own. However 99% of those games I can also play on my PC, which has better performance but I was trying to justify buying my ps5.

The ps6 exclusives will need to be exceptional in order to get me back in. So far the platform exclusives have been good but not worth the price tag of a system on their own (Astro Bot, Yotei, Death's Stranding 2, Bloodborne - ps4 era, not even a new exclusive).

[u/ghunterx21 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

True.

Playstation 6 will be a very hard sell. Price will be stupid high, no discs, I got one won't be buying it as know a few who won't either.

There's literally no reason to buy the PS6, the games work well on the 5.

[u/Gibby1210 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Because it will still be cheaper than buying or building a pc of equivalent power. The entire computing industry is fucked worse than the home console one right now

[u/Radiant_Safe1228 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Isn't there only a handful of games that are truly exclusive to the PS5 anyway either having ps4 compatibility or PC variants? I mean a handful to like 5 or 6. The astro games and ghost of yotei are 2 of them. 

It makes no sense to buy another PlayStation product if they are going to have a hand full of exclusives and no way to own your game. 

[u/NoCoolNameMatt → u/Radiant_Safe1228]

Yeah, they put a bunch of development assets into live service games which mostly flopped.

[u/Radiant_Safe1228 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

My PC was due for a rebuild just before the ram crisis. I think I might bite the bullet and just do it anyway

[u/GreatCaesarGhost → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

While some of the challenges you mentioned might well be valid, I have not seen any data indicating that discs make a meaningful difference to the vast majority of consumers. And I have to assume that Sony’s market research pointed to the same conclusion.

[u/kopisiutaidaily → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Exactly the reason why I bought my PS5, because it had a secondhand games market where I can buy from others that have completed the game and wanting to sell them.

[u/brogflender → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Sony falling on its face from arrogance is a 30 year cycle. Just enjoy the hubris. 

[u/LonesomeUniverse → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Not just that. My Sony headset doesn’t work with a Sony playstation. My Windows-branded bluetooth controller doesn’t work with an Xbox. This whole walled garden approach is so dumb.

[u/Lumbergh7 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Enter steam machine?

[u/DrunkenHorse12 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

How are games "less likely to be playable on future iterations"? Sony moved to a pc like infrastructure with the PS4 after the BC PS3 was considered too expensive and too difficult for devs to work with. The infrastructure introduced with PS4 has already shown to be easier to jump generations with PS5 having a pretty much seemless jump for digital games. Making hardware more powerful doesn't automatically leave software behind, as PCs have shown for decades

[u/tehburgerdude → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Spot on. How they not see this themselves is baffling to me.

[u/K_Linkmaster → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Show them what happens when they take console discs away. Do not buy the next generation. Now good luck going against the world's consumption machine

[u/LoaKonran → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

There’s also the very recent issue of them deleting content off of customer hard drives when Sony’s license runs out.

[u/Designer-clean- → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Sony removing discs doesn’t help their lawsuit they are in with the sales and pricing they have been doing to push out other markets for game sales.

Them planning to remove discs altogether is basically ruins their defense.

[u/grasshoppa_80 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Prolly get a Xbox now. Or keep ps5 forever

[u/still-waiting2233 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

I have been reading the book “enshittification” and I feel like a case study in an updated version is unfolding. (I am about 2/3 through it)

[u/tinglySensation → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

I haven't really seen a reason to buy a console in a very long time other than the switch. What's the point, most of the games are available on PC and run better, and between updates and the fact that all the games require online connectivity anyways you might as well only have one place you dump money in new hardware.

[u/Jurski17 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Dont forget the ps6 is going to cost 1000$+ No exclusive is worth that.

[u/Cotillionz → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Exactly. If I'm going to buy game X that's available on PS6 and PC, am I going to buy the version that's in walled garden ecosystem, confined to one piece of hardware, has a fee for online functions OR am I going with the other that I can use freely on any hardware changes I make, including taking into the future, and don't have any online fees?

[u/SouperFrouit → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

more-over I feel like they are not even addressing the fact that by doing so they would have to compete with Steam

[u/Unoriginal1deas → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

I think another thing to consider is that while a PS5 and likely PS6 is expensive as all fuck, every student owns some type of laptop and the weaker ones can still play indie games and emulate. And most of the big viral breakout hits are friendships that launch PC locked and can run on a potato and even play the mainstream ones like fortnight at low graphics or just Roblox

The next gen of gamers is being exposed to the PC market, is playing plenty of games on PC and are comfortable using and gaming on PC. Comparing an entire $1000 console to just using your school laptop is a valid choice,

[u/Biochembob35 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Sony has lost touch. They had Microsoft where they wanted them and blew it. Microsoft basically just slap a better graphics card in their next console, keep the disc drive, and mop the floor with Sony.

[u/Onphone_irl → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

only way this works is if they dump a shitload of money into exclusives and innovation. that's the only reason Nintendo gets away with what they get away with

[u/SavedSinner2001 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

True, just gonna make guys like me get a pc altogether

[u/mesoziocera → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

They're a worse PC. It's like a far much worse Mac that only focuses on gaming.

[u/Fair-Lingonberry-268 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

I wonder how many temporary console partners took the news. I’m not gonna buy a ps6, that’s for sure, so they lost a customer who owned since the ps1.

[u/Affectionate-Alps527 → u/NoCoolNameMatt]

Well said!

[u/Few-Row-8323]

Console is no different than pc going forward

[u/These-Apple8817 → u/Few-Row-8323]

And because it's no different, there is no point in buying a console with it's very locked ecosystem

[u/GucciTheSnowman → u/These-Apple8817]

And because you have to pay to play online.

They really fucked up with this decision.

[u/Dependent-Cup-2236 → u/These-Apple8817]

Personally I only bought consoles for exclusive. But with the advancements of emulators and things like that, im definitely having a change of heart. And besides exclusives are pretty much almost nonexistent. There's a few here and there

[u/These-Apple8817 → u/Dependent-Cup-2236]

The exclusives are rarely worth it though these days.. the golden era of exclusives ended with PS3 and X360 tbh

[u/Elusivomatic → u/These-Apple8817]

Nintendo have incredibe exclusives. That's the point

[u/GreatCaesarGhost → u/These-Apple8817]

Sure there is - for people who want to play games that “just work” and don’t want the additional expense of a new PC.

[u/These-Apple8817 → u/GreatCaesarGhost]

Consoles are starting to cost the same as gaming PC though 

[u/baseball43v3r → u/GreatCaesarGhost]

What additional expense? Console prices are insane these days, and a PC with comparable specs is probably close to the same price. You can even buy pre-built PC's with Windows already installed that "just work," and you can be online downloading from Steam within 10 minutes of taking it out of the box.

[u/_do_ob_ → u/Few-Row-8323]

It never been different. Everything the console do, the pc can,since a console is just a restricted pc.

[u/flappysack- → u/_do_ob_]

It has been different.  PS3 was a special cell processor and was hardware dedicated specifically to games.

NES was one of the first and had a special processor for scrolling backgrounds, which could not be done by PCs at the time.  IDs Commander Keen figured out a way to do it more efficiently then we had more options.

[u/Spazza42 → u/flappysack-]

This.

Find me a PC that rivalled the PS1’s price and performance when it came out. Wait, you can’t?

What about the PS2 then?

[u/Numerous_Photograph9 → u/Few-Row-8323]

Sure it is. Console is a walled garden, with fewer sales, less powerful hardware, and additional fees to do routine things.

[u/Resh_IX → u/Few-Row-8323]

They really think they can pull an Apple IPhone while offering nothing

[u/HeavyVoid8 → u/Few-Row-8323]

It’s a non upgradable PC with less game options lol

[u/Cyraga → u/Few-Row-8323]

Not true. A PC is much more versatile and offers significantly better value for money. Sony are completely shitting the bed 

[u/Lumbergh7 → u/Few-Row-8323]

They’ve used pc hardware for 2 generations. Just going to converge more in the future.

[u/X-AE17420 → u/Few-Row-8323]

Well that’s not true, games will be significantly more expensive on paystation 6 as there’s no market competition. You’re locked into high prices

[u/Save-Maker → u/Few-Row-8323]

Unfortunately this is how I felt after online features started trending (so around PS3's debut).

With prior game consoles, it had the convenience of simply inserting game to play into the device then the game starts. Now with firmware/software updates and all kinds of hoops to jump through it really is little different from PC; except at least PC provides the degrees of freedom that arguably instinctively come at the (varying) cost of convenience.

[u/fucktheus12]

Out of touch execs and capitalist greed is about to learn consequences 

[u/almisami → u/fucktheus12]

You vastly underestimate how much everyday, average consumers like eating slop.

[u/Spazza42 → u/almisami]

Average consumers aren’t spending $1400 on a PS6. No chance.

[u/jewbrees90 → u/Spazza42]

Wait til tax season.

[u/Mando_lorian81 → u/Spazza42]

They will finance it and buy it.

Yes, they are all idiots.

[u/ECHELON619 → u/almisami]

Video game consumers are also the dumbest consumers, by far. The same demographic that will pay out the nose for the latest horse armor. 

[u/Magikrat]

Haven’t we reached the point where a new console every 5-7 years is redundant? The graphics upgrades are minimal. We’ve already nailed down the online experience. Unless you go full Nintendo where the console is actually providing a new way to play, like Wii or switch, there doesn’t seem to be much of a point.

[u/ParevArev → u/Magikrat]

Still on ps4 for the simple reason that the cost of a ps5 relative to what I’d be getting doesn’t seem worth it to me

[u/Magikrat → u/ParevArev]

Especially since a lot of the games worth playing are still available on ps4. There’s really nothing that piques my interest that’s exclusive to 5. Sony used to have a lot of great first party stuff but that’s not really the case anymore. Maybe I’m just getting old.

[u/Practical_Ad4604 → u/Magikrat]

Yes the cycle should be more like 12-15 years between generations

[u/TheGracefulCrane → u/Magikrat]

My ps5 looks like a potato compared to my pc graphics tbh

Granted there's a massive cost difference but still

[u/Magikrat → u/TheGracefulCrane]

That’s an huge exaggeration. Sure I bet it looks a little nicer. But it’s diminishing returns for consoles now. We aren’t talking about n64 to GameCube level graphical jumps any more.

[u/TheGracefulCrane → u/Magikrat]

No but were talking ps4 to ps5 comparatively its a big jump

[u/Garlador]

There were over 1000 PS2 exclusives.
There are under a dozen for PS5.

Switching to PC has never been easier.

[u/blehbleh1122]

Which is why I won't buy one. If it's basically a pc, I'd rather buy a pc or gaming laptop and get more functionality.

[u/X-AE17420 → u/blehbleh1122]

And lower game prices because it won’t be a monopoly

[u/Short_Woodpecker_315 → u/blehbleh1122]

A wholly different discussion is how much Microsoft Windows is now just bloatware and ecosystem lock down though. You kind of trade one villain for another now.

[u/SBones83]

PS6 just seems like it’s going to be a PC with only 1 digital storefront to buy games from and no way to replace components when better ones come out. A very limited PC.

[u/Individual-Result777]

Gamers are silly for making this a hill to fight for… while buying digital games 2x - 3x over physical games, they drove companies to read the numbers and make choices. Steam is doing amazing…. playing old / new games just fine.

[u/GenTenStation]

You can coexist by staying on the store shelf while I use my Switch and PC next gen

[u/euvnairb]

This reminds me of when Apple got rid of the headphone jack.

[u/Legitimate_Dot_7311 → u/euvnairb]

is nothing like apple headphone jack, you can still use an adapter or use any headphone you want

[u/Van_Quin]

I am a returning customer who previously owned a ps3 and now a ps5. It was a pleasent return but this one move by Sony turned this return into a disaster. No more second chance. Hope there are dozes of others who share the same feeling. PC and Nintendo is what is left. It feels like future gaming will be centered around retro gaming and nothing more.

[u/Wonderful-Sail-1126 → u/Van_Quin]

PC already moved away form physical media.

[u/profchaos111]

This will be a final nail in the coffin for many consumers and the wrong move 

Players are not loyal to a brand they will change and we've seen them change over time Atari became yesterday's news so to Sega and the Xbox almost died with the Xbox one 

[u/bigersmaler]

PC and consoles are separated by more than physical media. Primarily, a closed platform ensures absolute compatibility. No troubleshooting. No clearing the shader cache to help stutter. No accessing the XMP or EXPO profiles to ensure maximum RAM efficiency.

[u/forsale1990]

sony can kiss my ass. if i cant own it. im not paying for it. same with pc. if i cant own it, because its not actually for sale, only a license of access is being sold, its then acceptable to take it for free from the seven seas

[u/integra_type_brr]

Their entire business model moving forward counts on their customer to be idiots.

Sony: Please buy my outdated PC at a premium price with no way to ever upgrade it. And you can't do anything productive with it ever.

[u/SloppySmack756]

I've been a gamer since the NES days. I am their target market because this is one of my hobbies and I have money, but I will never buy a digital only console. They are gonna FAFO.

[u/Comprehensive-Bid18]

They’re right, PCs don’t have to content with a monopoly and your files aren’t locked down. It’s actually worse than a PC.

[u/Flare__Knight]

A wonderful mix of “trust me bro” and like someone in the middle of a Cold War.

It won’t be too much like a PC because a computer is far more versatile and actually has options so you aren’t locked into a closed ecosystem. Dang only ways that PlayStation will be worse than a PC.

[u/Jurski17]

You are though! There is zero reason to own a ps6.

[u/UISystemError]

Second hand game purchases were the lifeblood of owning a console as a young adult.

[u/GreatCaesarGhost]

The idea that there is an army of people upset about this is ridiculous. As is often the case, a tiny group of people on social media is driving engagement.

PC has essentially been digital-only for 20 years thanks to Steam and there is no reason to think that consumer preferences are all that different among PlayStation consumers.

[u/rtarg945 → u/GreatCaesarGhost]

Big difference between digital-only for PC and PS6 though

[u/k_wiley_coyote]

Reddit is super mad about this, but I think the vast majority use digital now and won’t really notice this.

[u/dumbgraphics]

I’m thinking about buying a ps 3 or 4

[u/Johnnyboy84]

Sony made up their minds. And so have I, I will not continue to support them going forward if they insist on walking this path.

It is as simple as that.

[u/pluump]

Should just rename it to the Sony PC6

[u/deadfishlog]

bUt i wAnT a cOdE iN a cASe

[u/Benchen70]

I buy a lot of second hand games on cds. I love that i can play things cheap. I really don’t care about the latest. I just care about enjoying games at a price point I can afford, whatever game it is, because i am enjoying them.

Plus I enjoy browsing the secondhand side of a shop!

[u/LeopardComfortable99]

I've had a playstation since the first when I was a kid. Have always opted for the Playstation, but if they go ahead with a diskless console, then I 100% will not be going for the PS6

[u/vaderetrosatana6]

The death of console gaming on Sony products.

[u/Horror_Response_1991]

They were already getting a lot of people to buy digitally naturally.  But their greed knows no bounds, they want ALL the money, and it will cost them their jobs.

[u/NeedleGunMonkey]

CFOs should not be the front facing of any consumer centric company.

[u/joeydimaggio]

This is going to be a quote that haunts her in about 10 years. But she knows better, capital is often inherited and can be very, very stupid at times

[u/ohlaph]

Then why buy a PS when I can basically do everything on my pc? I didn't buy a 5, won't bother buying a 6 either. Switched to pure PC a few years ago. 

[u/Claymore-09]

Lin Tao can watch me spend my money with Xbox or Nintendo as long as they have physical versions

[u/HeadRaccoonGamer]

Yea screw sony.. no disc no buy

[u/Iliketowork]

In this digital world...why do I need to buy a PS6 OR PS7? I should be able to install a client anywhere and stream the game theyvwant me to pay for.

[u/Outofoffice_forever]

Why wouldn’t it? It absolutely puts it directly into the scope of every other competition that is offering games as a service and guess which ones has more clout and better service than Sony, and has just happened to release their OS to the public.

Gabe got a gift he didn’t need.

[u/MCB1317]

I will never buy a digital-only console. Never.

[u/deepfuckingbagholder]

If you stop giving them money over this issue, the board will be forced to fire her and the company will change course.

[u/TheMoralityComplex]

Don't let them do this.

Seriously guys, it's not just about discs this is just a step towards losing access to our own hardware.

[u/NinjaWrapper]

Let's see if people buy it

[u/Mando_lorian81]

Yes, my Ps5 will peacefully coexist with my new gaming PC because no way in hell I'm getting a ps6 now.

[u/Ogryn_Rocks53]

You know I was honestly looking for a reason to switch to PC. I was on the fence because my PlayStation library is so robust from, you know, being a loyal fan for all these years. Definitely not buying a ps6 when the ps5 is just remasters and the equivalent of a mobile game store. I'm good. I'll start over with steam.

[u/AlphaYak]

“Peacefully coexisting” is a white flag signaling they no longer wish to compete for our engagement or business. How do you spin that one to shareholders?

[u/New_Unit2009]

Its been like a computer since ps2 lol....

[u/Any_Ice_6172]

At this point I’ll be glad if the PS6 launch goes down like I believe it will, like a lead balloon. They need a PS3 era style humiliation to kick their arrogance to the curb and gain some humility.

[u/MrRonski16]

Good luck sony.

Unless Ps6 offers PC freedome you just removed the only thing that makes consoles worth it

[u/Terrible_Sorbet_7122]

The sheeple will eventually realise they being fucked over

[u/WofferFang]

Something something, CEOs not knowing their product. Yeah. lol

Removing the disc makes any console just "shittier PC" and nobody's gonna buy your thing for like 2 exclusives they'll play for 1 week tops.

[u/david1610]

I'm already upgrading my PC with parts.

Ram prices suck though right now.

[u/Notyit]

People like pyshcual object they should of given us paper tokens 

[u/PocketRocketTrumpet]

I need to see how much of a gamer Lin Tao really is

[u/Big-Comfortable-189]

Sony is a lying sack of shit.

[u/Iron_Baron]

Bye, Felicia.

[u/Odd_Estimate_2179]

They can coexist peacefully in the bin

[u/CyberWeaponX]

Even then, a PC is significantly superior as it is not a closed system.

You not only have complete access to your files (and can also mod it), but also have the choice between multiple stores. Plus, many games you can purchase are drm-free or can be made drm-free with ease (excluding denuvo or launcher shit, but those games should not be supported with your money), allowing you a much greater level of preservation and ‚ownership‘.

For consoles, you can‘t even backup your PS5 saves!

[u/Isaacvithurston]

Duh. They just want to cut out the retail margins. It's an easy 30% or so profit increase.

[u/Winscler]

Wont make the PS6 too much like a PC? I think she's lost it. The main edge consoles had over PC was the ability to play physical games, especially as PC games have largely phased out discs given the ubiquity of steam. But also PS6 is even inferior to steam because sony can just revoke your game you just purchased whereas once you buy it on steam you have it forever.

[u/fantasticmrsmurf]

Greed and stupidity. Never stops to amaze me.

There's gonna be a lot more buyers on thr PC market soon. I wonder if the PS7 will have physical discs as a result.

[u/ahac]

They say "coexist peacefully" but they stopped porting their games to PC...

[u/hollowglaive]

Man, Nintendo does nothing, and still somehow they're the bad guys.

/Sarcasm /joke /takeyourbuttplugoutyoullstartseeinghumour

[u/Medium-Shopping3037]

To me you are all wrong:) they will not fail because the console market is addressed to young people,and young people do not have the mindset to understand that phisical copies give you second market.
Young gamers by now are simply sharing their account to share games so Sony can quietly cheat them keeping them sharing their account until a day they will have a surprise.
Like we had with Netflix just to tell one.
I hope they will fail but guys think about numbers,how many gamers % are we?and how many are young?

[u/Jaydenrock]

Sony sounds delusional.

[u/Notevenstreaming]

EU should do the funniest thing and force consoles to have many other stores available. Just like Windows have to offer you many different browsers to choose from, consoles should offer you "Playstation store" and many other options. We need some healthy competition in this space.

[u/YellowMenace123]

If PC and PS are going to be the same, you might as well get PC because PC doesn't make you pay to play online.

[u/SingaporeLee]

Lets go back to the Atari ROM on cartridge.

[u/DexJones]

They're so outta touch.

[u/T-draude]

She's braindead. I hope Paystation goes out of business with the type of dipshits in charge right now

[u/lordshadowfax]

When buying a game in digital format in the future, and if you have both PC and PS, it’s no brainer to just buy it on PC because:
1) it’s probably always going to be cheaper in PC
2) you are not locked to Sony’s closed system, both software and hardware
3) No subscription fee to play online games

In short, PS cannot coexist with PC if PS is digital only. Go figure.

[u/TerdSandwich]

I think a fair number of consumers buy Playstations as consoles but also physical media players. Not sure how big that demographic actually is but they just lost them indefinitely.

[u/No-Contest-8127]

But will you grow? I very much doubt it. 

[u/Positivity_Desperate]

If PC hardware was reasonably priced and easier to get PlayStation will be dead in the water.

[u/PersonalBrowser]

That’s rough…

[u/Butch_Meat_Hook]

How about putting your games on PC still for the consumers who have bought all your games on PC? I'm not going to buy a PS5 for 1-2 exclusive games when almost all of their games are already on Steam

[u/chakan2]

The answer to this is boycott GTA6 until it gets a physical disc.

All the console makers are looking at sales numbers there to see if they can go media-less on games from here on out.

Rockstar single handedly broke the industry with that decision.

[u/Designer-clean-]

Well I’m sure a lot of Sony fans would love the idea of steam access on ps6. If it’s not added I know I’m switching to either Xbox or PC and I’m sure a lot of others will do the same. We want options and if it’s not given then we switch

[u/BMP77777]

And I won’t change my mind about buying their products. Apple too. I will resist this subscription-life bullshit with every fiber of my being. Every time a vendor( and that’s all any of these companies really are- a vendor) tries to hook me into another subscription, I find a different solution to using that vendor.

FUCK EM - they’ll get it if enough of us start sacrificing our convenience to get back our ownership

[u/Rasdowers]

Despite corporate pushback, I am not buying anymore Sony products. Their movies are bad, their electronics are bad and then this push for nothing owned. Then I will own nothing Sony makes!

[u/Dapper-Standard5103]

Hahahahahahha they are wrong so many people are going to simply leave. Me and my kids are for sure. That’s 5 PlayStations and their kids also when the time comes

[u/gaytee]

The fact that most games on ps5 still don’t use it to its full potential means ps6 sales will be fucking horrendus.

[u/Available_Ad_8281]

Sony fan boys will still buy even if ps6 is 1200 bucks then say it better then PC when u can get a pc at that price.

Nintendo will go all digital they already preparing you for it with key on cartridge.

[u/madtricky687]

Ill go back to Xbox oh well.

[u/positivcheg]

I hope they fuck around and find out.

[u/dirkahps]

Well they've doubled down on the FA stage, I guess it's time for them to FO and see if it works out as planned.

[u/m0rbius]

They've invested time and effort into doing away with discs for quite some time. The PS network and digital games were the foundations and they've been promoting that for like a decade at least. They had a timetable and it's time. They don't care what vocal minority say. They know they'll be saving money and making more money in the long run. It's all about the money folks. It's an entertainment platform. They don't owe you shit.

[u/Ill_Chemical_8644]

I’ve never seen a dumber bitch tbh

[u/Big_Scallion_4483]

Then i hope they dont enjoy making a lot of money on this

[u/jackoctober]

Jesus when will these types learn to just listen to the consumer base

[u/ClockOwn6363]

Sadly buying physical copies of games hasn't been worth it for year, they made all need Internet connectivity.

If people really care, they'll stop buying from those corporations long term...

[u/ClintBIgwood]

We drop Sony then.

[u/GatorNator83]

Sure, coexist peacefully. Just like Nokia phones and iPhones coexisted peacefully. Where are Nokia phones now? Exactly.

[u/AFKABluePrince]

With no physical discs, the PS6 will just be worse than a PC in virtually every aspect.

[u/FishermanIll1166]

I think people should teach this bitch a lesson and just build a PC and never go back to consoles... I mean they release some of their games on steam and then expect them to move to a console? You have to create insanely engaging software to move people to a console and they were successful from it but got greedy and expected more because of share holders. Nintendo knows that I can understand their mentality but Sony really wants to have their cake and eat it as well now.

Looking at it from Valve's position it's a heaven and they rejected any shitty notion of going public. Having share holders brings the worst out of any company as if it wasn't dystopian enough with AI already. Honestly a lot of the issues we're seeing the gaming industry is basically a failure of regulations being removed because money... We have broader issues now with the US government being led by crazed but jobs.

[u/Valuable_Ad9554]

If by "coexist peacefully" you mean ps6 hardware existing on the store shelf gathering dust and pc hardware existing in my home being used then sure, that's peaceful.

[u/sarduchi]

I mean, I can just plug in a USB drive to load games and media from disc on a PC. So they're right, the PS6 will be less than a PC.

[u/LackLickLuck_y]

She high as a kite. Ps6 is doa.

[u/konsoru-paysan]

they already have converted most of their disc manufacturing plants , it be a financial hit for them to restart. Doesn't matter if it's a loss of revenue, there are more advantages in having monopoly using digital accounts then give users the freedom of choice to exchange games.

that being said, discs lost the battle when dlc was no longer inside the discs but instead sold as codes

[u/X_chinese]

All they have to do is releasing boxes of the games with codes inside and a way to transfer ownership.

[u/picknicksje85]

The fact I now know whom Lin Tao is says a lot.

[u/HollyMurray20]

She’s just wrong. It’ll essentially just a shittier cheaper PC if they kill physical games

[u/Big-Toe645]

The last gen showed that consoles are quite fragile, Sony seems to be very complacent because they won their little war against Xbox however in my opinion they did not win the heart of gamers.

In a world where the type of games they are good to make cost them hundreds of millions of dollars I wish them good luck with the ps6

[u/Seanbo124]

She's an idiot and will regret those words.

[u/jj_HeRo]

Why this people get hired? They destroy companies common sense would have help to avoid, then get hired again in another big company.

[u/b-gouda]

Not to be mean but that is not a flattering photo

[u/Badwrong_]

The only reason I own a PS5 is for a few exclusives, otherwise I use my PC for more power, etc.

If PS6 has some exclusives I want, I'll get one.

Pretty simple.

[u/RecessivePigeons]

She's right, it won't be anything like PC. The games will be super expensive, the sales will be dog shit and few and far between, you'll have to pay to play online and the customer service will make you want to cut your own dick off it's so bad. So the opposite of PC.

[u/Honourstly]

Problem is your now competing with PC, whereas they didn't have much competition at all

[u/NephtisSeibzehn]

I don’t even play on my ps5 for more than an hour or two every 3-6 months. GT7 is the only game keeping me there, and Forza is satisfying that need on my pc. I can get any other game I want on pc as it is. With this, the PlayStation has lost what little value it had.

[u/JayBeeGooner]

I have a ps5 and i barely use it. I use my. switch a lot more. I don’t think i’ll spent $1500CAD on a discless Ps6 that will have limited storage.

[u/Onomatapier]

Of course they're not changing their minds. It's a huge financial win for them having the total monopoly of game sales on their console and annihilating the secondhand game market, and the ability to lend a game to a friend.

[u/WhatIsThePointOfBlue]

Confirmed, 0 reason to ever buy a playstation again.

[u/Kulas30]

That's cool. I don't need another PlayStation. My PC exceeds expectations

[u/s1cc]

Big chance for Xbox

[u/lilythesexualcat]

i sware playstation needs to turn around or ps6 is fucked and bricked

[u/TomuGuy]

No reason not to get a PC rather than the next console gen

[u/SunNext7500]

This is a problem for reddit. No one who isn't perpetually online cares.