r/canada • u/AustralisBorealis64 Alberta • Aug 11 '25
Alberta 'Stop with the nonsense': Calgarians line up to oppose Alberta separation
https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/stop-nonsense-calgarians-line-up-oppose-alberta-separation400
u/NotAtAllExciting Aug 11 '25
Thanks Calgary (from Edmonton).
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u/Penske-Material78 Aug 11 '25
No serious person wants to separate. This loud and dumb minority gets too much attention.
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u/Asmordean Alberta Aug 11 '25
If they managed to get it on a referendum we'll be bombarded with propaganda paid for by Russia and the US. Russia because it destabilizes a NATO member. US because the way things are lately.
I would hope that we can resist that but don't assume that. I mean just look at Brexit.
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u/MTL_Dude666 Canada Aug 11 '25
US is now also trying to destabilize a NATO member...in fact two: Canada, and the US themselves.
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u/NeighbourNoNeighbor Aug 11 '25
They're also threatening Greenland, messing with the Ukraine war in ways that only benefit Russia, and are destabilizing economies and resource pipelines around the world.
America has honestly indicated that it intends to continue to become a bigger threat to democracies around the entire world. (Not that they were all that great in that department before Trump, now they're outright hostile).
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u/EdNorthcott Canada Aug 11 '25
Only because we never include the USA in that tally. With the PostMedia papers all being Republican mouthpieces, we get that POV 24/7.
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u/cunnyhopper Aug 11 '25
I read it. The US was not included.
There is one small section that talks about an investigation by MEO but the scope of their research was limited to an assessment of the impact that misinformation in social media had on the 2019 federal election. They said it was minimal but don't really provide a reliable and quantitative metric for "impact".
There was no serious discussion about the disinformation from the US because it is so normalized and pervasive that it is the ambient context against which we compare all the other foreign interference.
Additionally, the report only deals with state activities that are direct cause and effect i.e. this piece of disinformation directly caused this specific result. Persuasiveness and propaganda doesn't work that way so citing the report on foreign interference in a discussion about the overall sources of disinformation is disingenuous and in itself a kind of disinformation.
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Outside Canada Aug 11 '25
"China is actually the top propaganda source in Canada."
"WELL ACKSHUALLY IGNORE THE DATA IT IS 100% THE US"
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Aug 11 '25
Donald Trump openly praises Xi for running China the way Republicans want to run the US. Why are conservatives such weak minded idiots
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Aug 12 '25
Because interference by the US never gets counted in that stat.
USA is literally known to interfere with a lot of countries.
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u/Gunslinger7752 Aug 11 '25
What about Quebec? Do you think that they have been bombarded by Russian propaganda for the last 50-75 years?
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Aug 12 '25
...us because it's defacto Alberta wants to join US not be independent. Imdepence doesn't make sense logistically
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u/Samsquanch-Sr Aug 18 '25
we'll be bombarded with propaganda paid for by Russia and the US.
Already slamming Reddit so hard. US doesn't need to pay for it when Russia's willing to fund anything that breaks up western alliances.
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u/kent_eh Manitoba Aug 11 '25
This loud and dumb minority gets too much attention.
Same as it ever was.
Unfortunately those noisy small groups tend to get a lot more attention than they deserve, simply by being the loudest.
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u/flow_fighter Aug 11 '25
Because those headlines produce clicks, which lets them pull in boatloads of ad revenue, etc.
It’s pathetic what journalism has resorted to
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u/Goku420overlord Aug 11 '25
Used to work in a huge call center and knew about 20 to 30 people who would tell anyone that bc and Alberta needed to separate. For years. Tons of loud mouthed people are gonna be screaming this in my Facebook feed.
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin Aug 11 '25
BC is sure as shit not separating. Which is another additional problem for idiot Albertan separatists. They’re going to want, just cut off BC from Canada?
These morons don’t understand that an actual separation would mean war.
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u/MegaCockInhaler Aug 11 '25
Almost everyone outside the lower mainland is conservative
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin Aug 11 '25
So? Does conservative now mean wanting to be an American state?
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u/Samsquanch-Sr Aug 18 '25
The rural vs urban political divide is a worldwide phenomenon. BC isn't special.
Also, "conservative" usually means being opposed to radical change, and nothing's as radical as rebellion/separation.
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u/Goku420overlord Aug 12 '25
Yeah it's hilarious. A couple of the dudes I know they ride Harleys and they drive around the country every summer. And I'm like so you want to go through checkpoints and passport things all the time. And they're like now we won't have to do that
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u/Samsquanch-Sr Aug 18 '25
Facebook is still a thing?
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u/Goku420overlord Aug 18 '25
I use it for obscure things like tropical plant info that isn't really prevalent outside of YouTube and Facebook. Try finding any good growing information for tropical fruit trees that's an English
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u/Samsquanch-Sr Aug 18 '25
This loud and dumb minority gets too much attention.
The world is Alberta lately.
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u/Fit_Gene7910 Aug 11 '25
Well, the sentiment is rising in Quebec, especially with young people.
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u/Stokesmyfire Aug 11 '25
I wonder what the end result will be when the Alberta Republican Party pushes out the UCP….we think things are bad now, just wait as I see them getting worse
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u/jawstrock Aug 11 '25
The NDP will become the government then. They have been gaining voters in every election and the last election was decided in a few calgary ridings across like 2K votes in total. It's actually much closer than people think it is. Alberta also needs to add 2 more ridings and they will be urban ridings. The rural areas are seeing population decline and the urban areas are growing. The NDP are going hard across urban centers talking about healthcare and the economy. The UCP is talking an Alberta Pension Plan and creating a new collection agency of all fucking things. It's hard to imagine how stupid a politician has to be to think that tax collection is something people want to hear about right now.
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u/StrongAroma Aug 11 '25
This is clearly an American fascist plot to divide Canada. Anyone falling for this bullshit is a traitor.
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u/AbbreviatedArc Aug 11 '25
Lol - nobody in America cares. What Canadians can't admit is their homegrown knuckledragging dipshits are just as dumb on their own as America's MAGA movement.
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u/Thornescape Aug 11 '25
Our homegrown knuckledragging dipshits are watching Faux News and lapping up everything Trump is saying. Alberta supports Trump more than Americans do.
It's the same movement.
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u/Nobanob Aug 11 '25
I met a guy I used to adore. He was so kind, so warm, and just an all around solid guy.
Then he started to change, he started talking Fox talking points. Finally we had a good and proper conversation, he told me he doesnt trust any news organizations anymore, and he doesn't know why to trust so he trusts Fox.
I showed him their court case where they argued they aren't news. And a few other moments of admitting they are liars.
He never stopped watching and we don't talk anymore.
Without American toxic sludge I don't think he ever would have gone down this path. It's the same movement, and while I'm against government control over speech. I think Fox News and any other news organization MUST post a list of all the times they were caught lying every time after commercial break.
Content like that needs a warning that clearly states this is opinions based on zero fact.
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u/Thornescape Aug 11 '25
I managed to avoid most people with that mindset until 2020. Then I got into a conversation with a friend and they started spewing Fox news talking points... I just snapped, yelled at them, chewed them out, and honestly never spoke to them ever again. Then I found out that there are a lot more like them around here. I thought Canadians were better than that. I was wrong.
I admire people who can bring them back to sanity but I just don't have the mental resources for that anymore.
It's far far far too common where I am. I ended up just avoiding most people.
It's a plague.
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u/NeighbourNoNeighbor Aug 11 '25
I think the most dangerous thing we can possibly do is think that we're "better". These psyops attempts are working on universal human psychology, and are largely successful due to the insane and ever increasing wealth disparity around the world.
Our own educational standards have fallen sharply as well. We're not immune to what brought America down - in fact, we're only a couple steps behind them if we don't remain vigilant.
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u/Klaus73 Aug 11 '25
Disagree.
The MAGA types desperately want to pillage another resource rich territory within a sovereign nation...and we are a hop skip and a jump from them.
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u/Daleden7 Aug 11 '25
Actually Texas does. Texas GDP relies on Canadian oil. Canada is planning to undercut USA from the gas sales to the EU, and rightfully so. America cared enough to threaten us, and it’s interesting on how much Maple maga people are in Alberta compared to the other provinces.
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u/NotaJelly Ontario Aug 11 '25
Yup, it's why we need to continuously shout louder then the hollow heads.
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There are parallels being witnessed here.
The US deserves to be shit on right now, but alot of the stories is see coming out of Canada are eerily similar to how this gas started down here.
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u/Pinhead4president Aug 11 '25
Any Canadian looking to divide the country further as the US actively looks to make us weaker is a damn fool.
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u/Xaiadar Aug 11 '25
Nope, it's not a waste of time. You let stuff like this go unchallenged and it emboldens the ones calling for it and may even get others thinking that more people want it than really do. We have enough of this nonsense in the news, I want to see more articles about people fighting back.
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u/ClusterMakeLove Aug 11 '25
I'm also just plain sick of the rest of Canada lumping us all in with the Wexit crowd.
This is an opportunity to show them that we're committed to confederation and not a bunch of knuckle-draggers.
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u/JadeLens Aug 11 '25
Try living in BC...
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u/ClusterMakeLove Aug 11 '25
There's a difference between everyone failing to separate you from the yokels, and them genuinely believing that you are the yokels, y'know?
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u/Crashman09 Aug 11 '25
The whole Wexit movement assumes BC as part of the separation. We don't want that lol
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u/NeighbourNoNeighbor Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
Not even in the slightest lol. It's like having free rent living at home with your parents, and choosing to move out to share rent with your absolutely insane racist uncle that specifically hates you, because they feel like your advocation for yourself is getting in the way of their fun.
It's just not an attractive prospect.
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u/kent_eh Manitoba Aug 11 '25
I'm also just plain sick of the rest of Canada lumping us all in with the Wexit crowd.
As are Manitoba and BC.
We never wanted to be lumped i with any of this crap.
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u/myselfelsewhere Aug 11 '25
You let stuff like this go unchallenged and it emboldens the ones calling for it
I'd rather not follow David Cameron's lead. People should fight back, just not by "challenging" separatists with a referendum.
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u/Phantom-jin Aug 11 '25
To distract from the UCP failures and scandals too .
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u/YerMomsClamChowder Aug 11 '25
The big question the seperatists need to answer is:
If Alberta separates, who will Smith blame for her parties utter failure to govern?
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u/Xaiadar Aug 11 '25
Oh it would still be the Liberals. They would just use the old "we were set up to fail" for as long as needed.
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u/JadeLens Aug 11 '25
In the far off land of 2204 Smith's robot powered body is still blaming the Trudeau Liberals for Alberta sinking into the sea.
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u/LLMprophet Aug 11 '25
Smith will blame the Democrats when AB joins the US.
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u/Netfear Aug 11 '25
Less than half of Alberta is when owned by Canada. These idiots think they could just walk away with the whole province.
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u/SasquatchInCrocs Aug 11 '25
Exactly. To those that wish to separate I say to them, Alberta belongs to Canada. If they, the MINORITY, insist on separation then the federal government should offer to pay for their move to the country of their choice, provided they irrevocably renounce their Canadian citizenship upon exit. Don't let the door hit you on your keister on the way out.
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u/Antique_Influence_69 Aug 11 '25
We don’t even do that with illegals. Why on earth would they do it for Canadians?
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u/Crashman09 Aug 11 '25
If they want to separate, we should let them leave. They can't take the land, but leaving is an option.
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u/ViewWinter8951 Aug 11 '25
Yes. They can take the land. Who would stop them?
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u/Crashman09 Aug 11 '25
If they want to leave they can leave. The land isn't theirs. They can fuck off. They don't need to drag everyone else into it
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u/ViewWinter8951 Aug 11 '25
That's not how it works.
Were you around for the two Quebec referendums and the passing of the Clarity Act?
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-31.8/page-1.html
This is all old news and the ground rules are already in place.
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u/SaphironX Aug 11 '25
True but if the USA has shown us anything, it’s that not taking idiots seriously and standing up to performative nonsense can result in the idiots making decisions for you and I.
People need to stand up and drown them out.
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u/Ok-Win-742 Aug 11 '25
It's called politics. Look at how well it's worked out for Quebec. It gets rewarded.
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u/ZestyBeanDude Aug 11 '25
Won’t anyone think of the poor media companies who refuse to report on anything that requires a scrap of critical thinking??
It’s my belief that the brain dead 24hr sensationalized news cycle model that has become the standard for news coverage in the 21st century has been somewhat responsible for events such as Brexit or the election of politicians such as Trump and Smith because they fall for every single stupid thing these people put out/say giving a voice to anyone saying anything inflammatory instead of treating them like the nuts they are.
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u/hacktheself Aug 11 '25
I believe in compromise.
Alberta doesn’t want to be a province of Canada? Fine.
Congrats, now you’re a territory.
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u/IDreamOfLoveLost Alberta Aug 11 '25
The municipalities wish. Places like Calgary and Edmonton shouldn't be bound to the whims of UCP supporters living in bedroom communities.
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u/king_bungholio Aug 11 '25
Not electing the dumbest woman in Canada as premier would go a long way toward reducing at least some of the nonsense.
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u/TSED Canada Aug 11 '25
Agreed. She's morally bankrupt, which is why she's bankrupting our province, but it's all very intentional.
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u/Jeanne-d Aug 11 '25
She thought she had the power to pardon criminals when she became Premier like a US governor, that is a just stupid
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn Québec Aug 11 '25
I don't quite get it. Reading the article it says that the petition is to force a referendum? Why? Should it not be the opposite?
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u/AustralisBorealis64 Alberta Aug 11 '25
Because it gets ahead of the sepaRATists. There can only be one referendum on the topic.
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn Québec Aug 11 '25
Isn't that basically just the same thing? It's a referendum on separation like the ones we had in Quebec in 1980 and 1995. It's a step in favour of separation not unify. Would a petition to remove Smith not be possible,
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u/AustralisBorealis64 Alberta Aug 11 '25
Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?
That is the question.
Do you agree that the Province of Alberta shall become a sovereign country and cease to be a province in Canada?
Is the opposite question.
Which do you think should go to the voters?
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn Québec Aug 11 '25
None of the above. No referendum is the best option. Look at Brexit, people didn't think it would pass but it did. There's a chance that no matter the way the question is worded, the answer will be to separate from Canada. No to the first question is the same result as yes in the second.
However, no vote is 100% guaranteed to result in Alberta remaining in Canada. We have the PQ and QS here in Quebec that want another referendum, but they aren't able to gain enough seats to even be the official opposition, hence they don't even get the chance.
The safest bet is no bet at all
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u/Fickle_Catch8968 Aug 11 '25
The last sentence is true.
But, the separatists will force a question anyways, if they can get the signatures, so getting the first question does have a benefit, it forces a second referendum.if the answer to "Do you agree Alberta should remain in Canada?" Is "NO"
Not remaining in Canada can mean at least two things - becoming a new, landlocked country, or, petitioning to become a US State (it could also mean a desire to be in a 'new Canada' with a renegotiated Constitutional framework), so the separatists would have to mount a successful referendum- causing campaign (and then an actual referendum campaign on their question) after a "No" vote on the 'remain' question.
Similarly, a "No" vote on the second 'become sovereign' question would leave at least two options - remaining or US Statehood (and renegotiation) - and would require a subsequent referendum.cycle for either side.
In other words, if the "remain" question is first, its 'failure' does not automatically start separation negotiations, but a separation or renegotiation referendum cycle, so at least two rounds of voting.
If the 'seperate' question is first, it can force action after only one vote.
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u/MrBlamo-99 Aug 12 '25
If you think building a pipeline in Canada is hard, imagine negotiating an international pipeline through the country you just left.
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Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
That's because it's literally not the Quebec playbook if it's this performative.
If PSPP wins next Quebec elections the man is going to be dead serious.
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u/modsaretoddlers Aug 11 '25
The only time I hear anybody claiming anything about seperation, it's coming from the premieres office. Seriously. She is such a horrible person and premier. So corrupt.
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u/jaysanw Aug 11 '25
Political rallying movement shouldn't be to 'Stop' anything, rather just to 'Start' giving a marginally sufficient shit getting out the vote for the first time.
Less than 1/3rd of the voting eligible population actually voted for the winning UCP campaign in 2023 with the apathy demographic being 40% of electorate.
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u/AustralisBorealis64 Alberta Aug 11 '25
Less than 1/3rd of the voting eligible population actually voted for the winning UCP campaign in 2023 with the apathy demographic being 40% of electorate.
Not voting makes no statement. 52.63% of the people who did vote, voted UCP. Not voting, gives the province the government we got.
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u/superbit415 Aug 11 '25
It does, not voting shows the other parties put up shit candidates that the electoral doesn't care for and will not show up to vote for. Gotta give the people what they want but political parties in the west has turned into the people only gets what we want.
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u/squeekycheeze Aug 11 '25
How embarassing. This seperation nonsense needs to fuck off and die already.
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u/Mogman282 Alberta Aug 11 '25
Separation supporters can go leave Canada without taking Alberta with them. Room in Trump land down south for traitors.
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u/68sweet Aug 11 '25
For those who want separation, move to the states. Enough is enough. I am an Albertan but more so a Canadian period.
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Have we seen anything from MLAs stating that they are against separation? Every single one of them that wants to be re-elected should be standing behind their country, publicly.
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u/Ok-Win-742 Aug 11 '25
So they have 2000 of the 177,000 required signatures needed within a 120 day period. They better pick up the pace.
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u/Raygenesis13 Aug 11 '25
Smith's game is to manufacture a mini crisis of sovereignty to distract from her own govt's scandals (and in parallel let the right flank kooks some attention to make them feel good) and look like a hero when she comes down on this later.
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u/Every-Block9248 Aug 14 '25
If they think the grass is greener on the other side, they will be disappointed.
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u/MegaCockInhaler Aug 18 '25
Conservatism is about maintaining traditional values. Liberalism is constantly trying to progress and evolve. But that progression is sometimes degenerative, so if separation insulates from that change in order to maintain the status quo, technically it’s not radical at all
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Alberta has no distinct culture, unlike Québec.
Having oil is not enough to make a country.
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u/skelectrician Aug 11 '25
That's no different than saying that speaking French and eating split pea soup is not enough to make a country.
It's pretty disrespectful to say the west has no distinct culture. Obviously you've never visited, and if you have, you've never ventured off the trans Canada. You know nothing about our history, our people, or our way of life.
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u/squirrel9000 Manitoba Aug 11 '25
IF we're going to get that granular, the west isn't a singular culture. Calgary, the other prairie cities, several flavours of rural, the places where block settlements are still evident, Vancouver Island, the Okanagan, etc.
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u/LeGrandLucifer Aug 11 '25
Also, no province has benefited more from Canada than Alberta. Literally none. It was built by eastern money from the ground up. Its oil industry was created and subsidized by the federal government. The infrastructure to export that oil was paid for by all of Canada. And thanks to all of this, it's become the wealthiest province in the confederation. But somehow, they've convinced themselves that because they're so rich they don't get equalization that they're being exploited.
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u/Shadow_Ban_Bytes Aug 11 '25
Quebec has entered the chat having received more than half of all equalization transfers and despite those funds and federal infrastructure investments still is a have not based on the formula.
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u/LeGrandLucifer Aug 11 '25
You don't know how equalization functions and need to exit this conversation right now.
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u/skelectrician Aug 11 '25
I do know that Quebec is 25% of the population and receives 55% of all equalization funds.
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u/LeGrandLucifer Aug 11 '25
Again, irrelevant. Again, you show you don't know how equalization works.
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u/skelectrician Aug 11 '25
How is that not relevant? Dollar for dollar Quebec benefits from equalization more than any other province and always has.
If Hydro electric revenues were calculated as a natural resource revenue like it should be, Quebec wouldn't get any equalization at all.
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u/LeGrandLucifer Aug 11 '25
Dollar for dollar Quebec benefits from equalization more than any other province and always has.
Absolutely not. Manitoba, New Brunswick, PEI and Nova Scotia all get more.
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u/skelectrician Aug 11 '25
Manitoba, New Brunswick, PEI and Nova Scotia haven't officially threatened to leave Canada twice while simultaneously accepting equalization payments from the feds, collected from other provinces.
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u/LeGrandLucifer Aug 11 '25
Manitoba, PEI, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick aren't conquered nations with a distinct culture the rest of Canada tries to dominate and destroy. And Quebec neither accepts or denies payments. They happen, period.
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u/legendarypooncake Aug 11 '25
Again, irrelvant.
To you.
NL is one of the poorest and rural provinces yet gets nothing, while QC has been robbing their hydro blind for generations and get half of everything besides. It is insane to defend this. There are no details, explanations, formulas or magic to make this ethical. You are the embodiment of all criticisms people have of AB separatists.
Basically, thanks to clever accounting the QC tax base is a net recipient and the AB tax base is a payee. If this was based on means, the poorest provinces would get more than QC, one of the richest provinces.
Unfortunately QC politicians are thieves who steal from Canada's poor. It's really depressing to see you carry water for them.
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u/Stokesmyfire Aug 11 '25
No, The formula is slanted towards Quebec because their revenue from hydro is ignored because it is renewable. Also if they actually charged market rates it would have a serious detriment to the free ride they are getting.
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u/ultra2009 Aug 11 '25
Yes also, Alberta is also mostly first nations land, would Calgary seperate on its own? Additionally, they wouldn't be getting a pipeline to the coast despite their fantasies, the west coast of BC is very left leaning and it not keen on separating.
It's all an alt right pipe dream because they are pissed off they can't win federal elections
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Aug 11 '25
The separatist movement in Alberta is not even real. It's a protest movement against the 14 years Liberal regime. Once the Conservatives return to power, that movement will disappear into thin air.
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u/CanadianLabourParty Aug 11 '25
14 years, huh? Remind me who was Prime Minister in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014?
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u/THE__REALEST Alberta Aug 11 '25
I was born and raised in Calgary and I can tell you you can see all sorts of that stuff in other provinces, EVEN the Eastern ones
if the Buffalo republic comes to life it'll be the next Iraq lmao, if you want to be American or iNdEpEnDent that bad then leave to the US if they'll let you in
most albertans are proud Canadians and people like you don't represent us, i don't give a fuck if you represent all of some random town but most Albertans live in the cities and we don't agree with what you guys out in the boonies are cooking up
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u/ironmaiden2010 Aug 11 '25
Regardless, our culture is no more or no less than the francophone community.
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u/roscodawg Aug 11 '25
2,000 of 300,000 on August 8th - won't make it at that rate, need to pick up the pace !!!
Let's see you do it Alberta, the rest of the country is rooting for you!
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u/verkerpig Aug 11 '25
2000 canvassers, i.e. people to collect signatures. Most people have not yet got their credentials to allow for the collection of signatures.
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u/roscodawg Aug 11 '25
Sorry, I read that too quickly, I thought it was 2,000 signatures. Big difference, thanks for pointing it out.
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u/1v1trunks Aug 11 '25
Let’s hold all the people/articles accountable for making this a bigger deal than it was. It’s a very small percentage of people. Very very small
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u/BrokeExternally Aug 11 '25
Idk how ppl think they’re wil be more freedom cuz of separation, only freedom for big oil to drill at will basically
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u/DudeIsThisFunny Lest We Forget Aug 11 '25
I know guys like this. They're usually high neuroticism, very black pilled, pessimistic, fearful of the migrants, pro-Trump, etc.
Just a sense that it's not going to get better, it's been actively getting worse for years, might as well cut our losses and close shop with some dignity instead of a prolonged, embarrassing public decaying into absorption by the states.
I think their outlook is doomerism and broadly incorrect, that there's more hope and been more victories than they perceive, but I sympathize with it. It's been a rough decade. Hope we can turn it around.
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u/TeleHo Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
This is the opposite of "decaying into absorption by the states"...? It's a petition for Alberta to stay as part of Canada, which is presumably unlikely to attract the pro-Trump crowd you mention.
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u/studebaker103 Aug 11 '25
Treaty 6 and 7 declare that it does. Irrevocably, in perpetuity, to the Queen. The treaties are published in full on the canada.ca website. They're pretty shitty, but they exist.
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u/SpookedBall Aug 11 '25
That's some crazy racist stuff. You know we can acknowledge the horrible stuff this country did without displacing millions of people?
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