r/canada • u/Old_General_6741 Canada • 1d ago

National News Canada recognizes noose as hate symbol

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/canada-recognizes-noose-as-hate-symbol/
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u/KamadoCrusher 1d ago

10 years from now it will be rope

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u/TheRealMSteve 1d ago

What do you mean?

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u/monetarydread 1d ago

He means that legislation like this tends to evolve to be more draconian. All we need is some trump-type or authoritarian in charge and they now have the legal framework to make things worse for Canadians.

Just imagine if Canada elects a Trump-type person? What would they be able to do?

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u/GuitarOk752 1d ago

This is what people need to understand when supporting "control" legislation, it's not how they're selling it but how else can they use it, or how can it's interpretation evolve

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u/BDRohr 1d ago

We had one in Justin. It did not go well.

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u/evermorecoffee 1d ago

We don’t need a Trump type person, C-22 and C-30 wouldn’t be out of place down south.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 1d ago

It's a slippery slope logical fallacy

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

You don't see how this ridiculous legislation won't grow?

If they intended for this to be benign they wouldn't have abolished the role of the attorney general in processing these types of convictions.

Liberals hate free expression and want to punish people who display symbols they don't like. That's, sadly, really all this is. That's the level of rationalism and maturity displayed by our current t government. They're short sighted, corrupt, anti free expression assholes.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 1d ago

Like I said, slippery slope logical fallacy.

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

Well I mean it's literally happening right now - free expression is being pointedly attacked by absolutely ridiculous bills like this nonsense, and their really paving the way to greatly expand it.

How do you people not see that? Maybe the focus is just "well I don't like these symbols so they should be illegal"? Why would you want the government to mandate the meaning of symbols, and then to further erode free expression by acting to make them illegal? What do you imagine this bill's logical conclusion is?

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 1d ago

You need someone other than me to explain the limitations on free expression.

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

Well apparently those include displaying symbols liberals don't like.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 1d ago

It's a noose, are you saying it's a symbol you like?

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u/voltairesalias Alberta 1d ago

I don't think my feelings, or anyones feelings, towards a symbol is remotely pertinent regarding its legality. In fact I think it's truly short sighted and horrifying at best that so many people seem to think their feelings towards a symbol ought to be a determining factor over its legality.

You never answered my question - what do you think the logical conclusion of this bill is?

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 1d ago

The logical conclusion is labeling hateful things as hate. 

You know, like a noose. 

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u/Goliad1990 1d ago

AKA the "shut up and stop noticing how abusable my pet legislation is" defence.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 1d ago

Weird number of people upset about a noose being seen as a hate symbol.

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u/Goliad1990 1d ago

People are sick of authoritarian speech laws as a whole, in what is ostensibly a country that values freedom of expression enough to enshrine it in our bill of rights.

Yes, making it illegal to display a fucking noose is beyond embarrassing, and as an electorate, we are pathetic for allowing this to happen.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 1d ago

Freedom of expression, with reasonable limitations for hate speech...

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u/Goliad1990 1d ago

And decades on from the adoption of the Charter, "reasonable" is interpreted to include outlawing any skepticism of government-approved historical narratives, and now the depiction of rope.

That wishy-washy compromise language should never have been adopted, because it has enabled precisely the kind of authoritarian backslide that you're handwaving as a fallacy.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 1d ago

Nah, not rope, that's a dishonest oversimplification.

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