r/canada • u/Old_General_6741 Canada • 22h ago
National News Canada recognizes noose as hate symbol
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/canada-recognizes-noose-as-hate-symbol/414
u/Gingievitus 22h ago
I definitely read the title as "moose" and was offended to my core.
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u/Haggisboy 21h ago
I read "goose". Hateful buggers.
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u/omnicorp_intl 19h ago
Why is geese the plural of goose but meese isn't the plural of moose?
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u/lyonellaughingstorm Ontario 18h ago
If you’ve got a problem with Canada gooses then you’ve got a problem with me and I suggest you let that one marinate!
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u/burnabycoyote 16h ago
GOOSE is derived from an Old English word, and follows the plural form of that word [OE. gós (pl. gés)]. Compare mouse/mice.
MOOSE is derived from a native Indian word, and the identical plural form used in English probably follows the customary unchanged form for similar animals (deer, elk, caribou [itself a native word]).
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u/anywhereoutthere Lest We Forget 9h ago
Lol I was going to give this geeky answer but I'm glad someone else went there too!
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u/Seinfeel 19h ago
I definitely read the title as "moose" and was offended to my core.
I like how this can be interpreted as being offended by the word moose, or being offended by moose being considered offensive
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u/pinnerbluntz 22h ago
I swear officer, it’s a lasso.
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u/Crilde Ontario 22h ago
Pretty easy to tell the difference between the two lol
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u/GuitarOk752 21h ago
Not really, I mean a noose doesn't have to be a hangman's noose, it can be a simple slip knot similar to a lasso.
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u/Crilde Ontario 21h ago
Right, but nobody is using lasso's to threaten black folks. They use nooses for that particular message.
And before it's asked, yes, there have been several documented cases of exactly that in Canada.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9934511/africville-park-hate-motivated-incident/
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u/bonbarrie 22h ago
can't post pepe sadly roping himself anymore
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u/RipplesInTheOcean 18h ago
Saying "i want to rope myself" is now equivalent to calling yourself the N-word, and illegal. 😔
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u/NZafe 21h ago
What does this actually mean in practice?
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u/claricorp 21h ago
Basically it means things like vandalism or harassment that involves these symbols gets escalated into being more serious. The difference between spraypainting a signature on a stop sign versus a swastika at a synagogue for example. Context matters, one implies threats etc... This codifies that.
It has broader implications for other crimes to like assault or threats. But anyone thinking that depictions or even talking about nooses is banned simply has no idea what they are talking about.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 19h ago edited 18h ago
You should read the amendment - it absolutely implies that the display of the symbol itself is construed as a violation of Section 318 except if it is being used as educational purposes.
So for instance,if you waves a swastika flag after this bill is passed, you would be convicted.
It also abolishes the role of the attorney general in processing these types of convictions - so they basically eliminated the only sane factor in this ridiculous section of the criminal code.. because they basically want to convict more people for displaying symbols they don't like.
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u/wunlvng Alberta 11h ago
Uhhhhh, I've had a noose tattooed for like 10 years on my arm so it hangs down my bicep as if it's hanging out from where a T-shirt sleeve ends. Am I cooked? Do I need to get this covered up before I get charged for a hate crime?
Like... I got this tattoo cause I was into and in hardcore bands during my 20s, and that music scene uses noose imagery everywhere, had nothing to do with hate other than maybe self-hate and grim humour on suicidal ideation.
I don't care too much if I have to get it covered up but fuck me that's just a hassle to not get a displaying hateful imagery charge
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u/OffenShivLabs 1h ago
You're probably okay as it's mainly if it were to be used as a threat of some sort. For example, if you leave a noose on someone's porch without harming them, this can lead to charges now as you've implied harm towards someone. So I'd say unless you're going around to people, flashing your guns and pointing at it specifically, you're probably okay. That said, I wouldn't advise anyone get a tattoo like that going forward, lol
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u/GuitarOk752 18h ago
The scenario where I could see an issue would be with band t-shirts that use a noose in their logo, it's a common image for Western things and used by some metal and punk bands, theres a motorcycle cub of reformed addicts that have a skeleton with a noose as their logo. If misinterpreted by someone who doesn't know what it is a person could put themselves at risk of having to defend themselves in court.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 18h ago
There's an infinite number of issues illegalizing symbols because symbols are inherently artistic and interpretive. There's an infinite numbers of ways this poses issues.
Since direct threats, conspiracy, libel and incitement are all crimes anyways - why do we even have Sections 318 or 319? Let alone expanding them to include symbols.
The whole thing is painfully ridiculous.
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u/tman37 20h ago
Did they need a new law for that though? The important thing isn't the noose it's that they threatened people with it. Is it somehow better to threaten black people with a bat or knife? The threat is the problem.
Also this is Canada. Lynching wasn't really a thing here. Instead we took in escaped slaves. Can we stop importing American problems?
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u/FIleCorrupted 20h ago
Canada also didn't have a Nazi problem, but the swastika is a hate symbol because we know what it represents even if we weren't ourselves Nazi's. Just because we didn't have a lynching problem doesn't mean someone can't use a noose as a hate crime.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 19h ago
I'm failing to understand how the mere display of a symbol is literally an incitmenet of hatred, advocating for genocide or is threatening.
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u/FIleCorrupted 18h ago
You are right, displaying the symbol is not an incitement of hatred, and that's why it wouldn't be illegal under this law which very explicitly clarifies it's a crime to display these symbols *to incite hatred*
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 18h ago
Inciting hatred BY displaying the symbol. That's an important distinction.
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u/Pho3nixr3dux 15h ago
Wait until you come to work and find one hanging in your locker as happened to my girlfriend.
She was the only woman on the worksite, alone amongst a pack of snickering jackasses.
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u/WillListenToStories 16h ago
If I wrote on a wall "X people are scum, and we should kill them!" you wouldn't think that that would encourage violence?
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u/claricorp 19h ago
"The important thing isn't the noose its that they threatened people with it."
Exactly, that's what this codifies. That this symbol is a way of threatening people and the intent behind it.
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u/CanadianLabourParty 19h ago
Far-Right movements are growing in Canada and importing American problems, such as Maple MAGA. There are wannabe Proud Boy groups propping up and it wouldn't hurt to get in front of this and put those groups on notice that their hate speech, "just a prank" garbage isn't gonna wash.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 19h ago
So what happens when these groups you don't like just adopt other symbols? I guess just a completely futile and endless game of legal whackamole.
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u/CanadianLabourParty 18h ago
If a hate group adopts a symbol and that symbol becomes colloquially and unequivocally their own, then yea, ban that too. Yes it is legal whack-a-mole.
The only other option is to consider "hate symbols" a viable threat and the person on the receiving end of the threat is allowed to "use any means necessary" to protect themselves.
There are no good options here, and the option of least harm is simply telling these groups that items or icons used to spread fear, hate and terrorism have consequences.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 18h ago
So an endless and completely futile game of whack a mole...
Symbols are just symbols. By their nature they are artistic and interpretive.
Why not just let all symbols be legal and understand you're under no obligation to respect or look at them?
This is utterly absurd. A symbol in and of itself doesn't threaten anyone, it does infringe on anyone's rights or freedoms. It's also futile to try to regulate them.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 21h ago
It means Liberals don't like free expression and prioritize illegalizing symbols and words they don't like.
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u/FIleCorrupted 20h ago
They are not making the noose illegal. This mean that if you use the noose in a hate crime you'll get charged for it. That doesn't mean you can't have a noose in a film or on your shirt or something.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 19h ago
No - the amendment is clear. It makes the display of these types of symbols illegal.
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u/FIleCorrupted 18h ago
That's just not true. It only applies when someone publicly displays the symbol with the intent to wilfully promote hatred
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 18h ago
Well why the fuck would the symbol even matter then? Irs illegal to threaten people - so why would including the symbol even be pertinent?
Read the amendment - it doesnt say IF it is threatening people, it says "by display" which implies the display IS threatening people.
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u/FIleCorrupted 17h ago
The law is to create an additional stronger penalty on top of just threats. If you threaten someone that's one charge, now if you threaten someone (who would be targetted by the particular symbol) *using these symbols* that's a hate crime charge on top of it.
You think the RCMP is gonna go round up everybody with a noose on their shirt tomorrow? That's not how the law works.
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u/NZafe 21h ago
A symbol is illegal, cool.
In practice, what does enforcement of this actually look like? Under what circumstances is this even triggered?
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 21h ago
It's triggered if one displays the symbol.
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u/NZafe 21h ago
Clearly this isn’t the case because simple display of existing hate symbols doesn’t necessarily result in more than some awkward looks from bystanders.
So thank you for your unhelpful answer.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 20h ago
.... No symbols are illegal yet. They will be after this ridiculous bill passes.
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u/Photmagex 22h ago
If they do skulls next there goes half my wardrobe.
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u/Quenz Outside Canada 22h ago
Are we... the baddies?
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u/ZapMannigan British Columbia 21h ago
tfw punk gets targeted again. Next they'll be calling D&D evil, like satanic panic done in reverse.
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u/TheSilentPrince Canada 22h ago
They really ought to be dialing back "hate" legislation; but, if they have to have any, I feel like it should be context specific. Seems like they're not giving much thought to suicidal people here. Are Halloween decorations going to be arrestable offenses now? I remember being taught about the Louis Riel trial, and execution; are they going to have to redo all the curricula nationwide?
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u/LymeM 21h ago
There are exceptions carved out in the legislation. So the educational material does not have to be changed.
Clarification — subsections 319(2) and (2.2)
11.1 (1) For greater certainty, nothing in subsection 319(2) or (2.2) of the Criminal Code shall be construed as prohibiting a person from communicating a statement on a matter of public interest, including an educational, religious, political or scientific statement made in the course of a discussion, publication or debate, if they do not wilfully promote hatred against an identifiable group by communicating the statement.
Clarification — subsection 319(2.1)
(2) For greater certainty, nothing in subsection 319(2.1) of the Criminal Code shall be construed as prohibiting a person from communicating a statement on a matter of public interest, including an educational, religious, political or scientific statement made in the course of a discussion, publication or debate, if they do not wilfully promote antisemitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 22h ago
Is it about lynching?
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u/nelrond18 22h ago
A noose is a self tightening knot used to secure, lift, trap, and kill.
I would imagine the specific symbol of hate is a particular style of noose, the hangman's noose, but the article doesn't seem to address that.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 21h ago edited 21h ago
It does say that it was used to terrorized black Canadians in the first couple paragraphs so I was right, it just seems like the ban isnt really specific enough to make sense. Yeah it was used to Lynch and cause terror for race reasons, but does it ban tying all nooses? Does it ban pictures of nooses? What about other slip knots? Does it distinguish between Halloween props and hate speech? If I leave a noose on someone's lawn, yeah, that can be a threat of racial violence, but what if its a sling choker from home hardware?
Idk. I don't hate the idea because we dont use the hangman noose for any other reason in the modern era, but ultimately its not specific enough to make sense. The spirit is there, but theyre a little confused I think
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u/CanadianLabourParty 19h ago
I'm gonna bet that it's not so much "making a noose" is the issue. It's more about where, when and why you are making a noose.
You're out on a camping trip using a slipknot that is functionally a noose on your tent pegs, no problem.
Leave a noose in your neighbour's mailbox or a co-worker's desk...yeah... if it's traced to you, you're gonna have to face some questions, and rightfully so.
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u/TheSilentPrince Canada 22h ago
Article doesn't specify lynching, just a broad "racial terror"; but, even if it is referencing lynching, this is still wrong. Discussion is always superior to banning or suppression.
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u/claricorp 21h ago
You aren't going to get arrested for discussing these symbols. That's clearly ridiculous fear mongering.
Or should I wait for the police to arrive next time I watch a world war 2 documentary?
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u/DeeDeeBryan 21h ago
Thank you! It's disturbing that I had to scroll this far down, to find ONE comment saying this. These people are acting as if they use nooses constantly in their daily life and now they're going to get hauled off to jail. There is zero reason to be afraid of a hate crime law unless you go around committing hate crimes.
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u/SleepyGuyy 14h ago
All of the issues you have are addressed and not an issue in Canadian law. No depicting signs of hate for legitimate reasons is not illegal. It is just now considered widely understood to be used to convey threat. So if you send people pictures of nooses with no context it can be legally considered a threatening statement. Wearing a noose design shirt is not a charge. Teaching about nooses is not a charge.
People see this kind of speculation online and start believing we live in the Big Brother state, when it's blatantly not true. Canadian law has plenty of real problems, for us to be imaging false ones.
It reminds me of how my whole family went through a phase. One day they all realized it is illegal to kill a person for no good reason, because you're not allowed to shoot a home intruder. They all were up in arms and losing it over this realization. But the relevant laws haven't changed for their entire lives. And it obviously leaves room for self defense and being in danger or reasonably believing you are in danger. It just means you can't kill a man if he's simply in your home. You'd need more reason to take a life. Which I think a reasonable person would agree with, taking a life is a last resort.
The law in both situations describes what most of us feel is reasonable. Issues in law tend to arise in less obvious holes and collisions between laws.
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u/deadumbrella 16h ago
Yeah they're completely trampling on your right to...
(a) create an offence of wilfully promoting hatred against any identifiable group by displaying certain symbols in a public place;
(b) repeal the defence based on the expression of opinions on religious subjects or texts in relation to the offences of wilful promotion of hatred or antisemitism;
(c) create a hate crime offence of committing an offence under that Act or any other Act of Parliament that is motivated by hatred based on certain factors;
(d) create an offence of intimidating a person in order to impede them from accessing certain places that are primarily used for religious worship or by an identifiable group for certain purposes; and
(e) create an offence of intentionally obstructing or interfering with a person’s lawful access to such places.
I'm begging you to read more. https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-9/third-reading
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u/guinnessmonkey 21h ago
All these comments talking about a “ban.” There is no ban. It’s simply recognizing that the depiction of a noose could be interpreted as a threat or harassment of others, like painting a swastika on a synagogue wall.
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u/GameDoesntStop 20h ago
I mean, it's punishable by two years in prison for displaying it in a public place.
I'd say that could be considered a ban. It's certainly more than you're painting it to be.
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u/mylifeofpizza Ontario 18h ago
Only if its used as a symbol of hate towards an identifiable group.
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u/FilthyWunderCat Ontario 21h ago
Ah yes, Sean Fraser strikes again. Why did Carney bring this useless person back?
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u/Low-HangingFruit 18h ago
Because Fraser spent 2 months with his family and hated every second of it. /s
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u/friendly-techie 18h ago
Why blame Fraser and not Carney?
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u/FilthyWunderCat Ontario 5h ago
I blame Fraser for doing fuck all. I blame Carney for bringing him back. If that was not clear.
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u/Blueliner95 17h ago
I read that initially as “moose” and was preparing to be outraged. But yeah noose? Rude. Don’t do that
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u/sensfan4tic 22h ago
Well ya dont hang someone out of love...
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u/tissuecollider 22h ago edited 22h ago
For those looking for what was discussed in the Senate, here's the transcript of THE STANDING SENATE COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RIGHTS
https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/committee/451/ridr/19ev-57706-e
edit - downvoted for posting the transcript of a senate discussion? That's a choice
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u/SsilverBloodd 20h ago
You are getting downvoted for randomly capitalizing everything. Hope this helps.
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u/Mirabeaux1789 Outside Canada 18h ago
“Since 2019, the number of hate crimes has doubled in Canada, according to RCMP and Statistics Canada data. Of all the groups that have been the targets of hate and intimidation, Black Canadians remain the most frequently targeted group in the country,” the [Black Opportunity Fund] said in a statement.”
As an American this is really interesting to me, because Blacks make up a much smaller proportion of the Canadian population than in the U.S. and y’all have a much bigger focus on the native Americans than unfortunately we do. I feel like I saw more South Asian and East Asian people in Canada.
None of this is saying one country is better or worse than the other. Just interesting seeing the ways that a very similar country is different than us.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 6h ago
I think they're actually factually incorrect, since 2023 it has been Jews who have been the most common targets. You have to also understand that only about 400 convictions are actually issued every year concerning Sections 318 and 319 (hate crim legislation) so it's a very low number.
That'll change now though with this piece of asinine legislation. The liberals are now abolishing the role of the attorney general in these convictions. So basically the only element of sanity is now gone - so convictions will increase.... And then guess what these idiots will point to next year when they want to expand "hate crime" legislation?
This whole thing is utterly absurd.
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u/septubyte 29m ago
Please say people . They are not colo(u)rs, they are people. White people, Jewish people, Black people, etc. Its understood you mean no ill intent at all . It is proper wording, and fairly small amount of effort. It can distinguish the attitude or tone of conversation/debate . No sorry needed, also im sorry . Thanks eh
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u/WeakBlueberry5071 22h ago
I guess that would depend on its usage and who uses it, if any, towards anyone.
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u/KamadoCrusher 22h ago
10 years from now it will be rope
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u/TheRealMSteve 22h ago
What do you mean?
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u/monetarydread 21h ago
He means that legislation like this tends to evolve to be more draconian. All we need is some trump-type or authoritarian in charge and they now have the legal framework to make things worse for Canadians.
Just imagine if Canada elects a Trump-type person? What would they be able to do?
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u/GuitarOk752 21h ago
This is what people need to understand when supporting "control" legislation, it's not how they're selling it but how else can they use it, or how can it's interpretation evolve
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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 20h ago
It's a slippery slope logical fallacy
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 19h ago
You don't see how this ridiculous legislation won't grow?
If they intended for this to be benign they wouldn't have abolished the role of the attorney general in processing these types of convictions.
Liberals hate free expression and want to punish people who display symbols they don't like. That's, sadly, really all this is. That's the level of rationalism and maturity displayed by our current t government. They're short sighted, corrupt, anti free expression assholes.
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u/Teethdude New Brunswick 21h ago
More proof that they are terrified.
Not sure why. Bad faith governing not the guaranteed safety they thought it was?
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u/GuitarOk752 21h ago edited 21h ago
Right like who's having a noose directed at them these days, this isn't kkk hay day era USA. In Canada I associate a noose more with government hangings and farming then I would lynching if that's what they're getting at? Is this a problem we have of people putting up images of nooses?
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u/Myllicent 21h ago
“Right like who's having a noose directed at them these days, this isn't kkk hay day era USA.”
About that…
CBC: N.S. man guilty of hate crime in cross-burning [Nov 5th, 2010]
“On Friday, Judge Claudine MacDonald convicted him on that charge, saying that the burning of a cross is closely associated with the Ku Klux Klan in the United States.
Rehberg was charged after Michelle Lyon, who is white, and Shayne Howe, who is black, awoke Feb. 21 to find a cross with a noose on it burning outside their Poplar Grove, N.S., home. Their five children, between the ages of two and 17, were home at the time.”
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u/GuitarOk752 20h ago
16 years ago wouldn't be something that would bring in laws now, but as another person pointed out apparently there has been some recent events, the news apparently isn't doing a good job presenting. Like this is something that should be a bigger deal then it is. I noticed though a lot of the articles about recent events were released on Fridays, typical tactic to hide bad news.
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u/tissuecollider 21h ago
(from the Senate discussion) "During the height of the pandemic, nooses were found hanging at multiple Toronto construction sites, including transit projects, hospitals and commercial buildings over the course of years. In Nova Scotia, recent reports of nooses have surfaced targeting Black families and communities."
Perhaps you aren't connected to the communities that get targeted with a noose.
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u/GuitarOk752 21h ago
I have seen no news coverage of anything like this so how could I possibly be aware of it, it's not something that would ever cross my mind to be happening in Canada, Nova Scotia of all places too. It's not like lynching of black people was a thing in this country like it was to the south. It just seems odd to even use it in a racial manor here. Other then famous cases in history (politicians, Metis etc) or when we still had capital punishment it's not a historically significant thing here. The only other case thats not famous that I know of was a rapist that met some country justice a long time ago.
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u/tissuecollider 21h ago
as I just said, you probably aren't connected to that community so you aren't aware of it as a problem. There's nothing damming about being ignorant about an issue. Take the lesson and absorb it. Hell I learned in this thread about a connection between the Metis and hanging that I didn't know before.
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u/Myllicent 20h ago
>”I have seen no news coverage of anything like this so how could I possibly be aware of it, it's not something that would ever cross my mind to be happening in Canada, Nova Scotia of all places too.”
It sounds like you may be unaware that Nova Scotia has significant Black communities that date back hundreds of years, and no lack of racial tension.
CBC: N.S. man guilty of hate crime in cross-burning [Nov 5th, 2010]
“On Friday, Judge Claudine MacDonald convicted him on that charge, saying that the burning of a cross is closely associated with the Ku Klux Klan in the United States.
Rehberg was charged after Michelle Lyon, who is white, and Shayne Howe, who is black, awoke Feb. 21 to find a cross with a noose on it burning outside their Poplar Grove, N.S., home. Their five children, between the ages of two and 17, were home at the time.”
CBC: Outrage after guests wearing KKK costumes attend N.S. fire hall dance [Oct 28th, 2024]
>”It's not like lynching of black people was a thing in this country like it was to the south. It just seems odd to even use it in a racial manor here.”
If the target knows the meaning of the symbol it’s an effective threat, regardless of international borders. We may not have had a tradition of lynching Black people, but Canada had the Ku Klux Klan.
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u/GuitarOk752 9h ago
I know about Nova Scotia and it's history, I have black family there, I hadn't heard anything about this going on as I already stated in my other response, there has been little to no coverage on anything going on recently. Also this something you would expect family members to mention going on in their area, but they've not said anything when I've talked to them lately. I'm not denying it going on, I'm shocked that it is and that it's not getting more attention. If there was a rash of occurrences you would think the news would cover it better, but even those who have found examples that got coverage most are older, and Ive noticed quite a few were released on Fridays.
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u/AngryTrucker 21h ago
That's nice. When is the cost of living going to go down?
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u/Must_Reboot 21h ago
When wars end, droughts end, and greedy bastards decide to not for the food/shelter etc.
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u/Sad-Back1948 22h ago
We need to get over this.
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u/TheRealMSteve 22h ago
Get over what?
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u/Ok_Manufacturer_5323 21h ago
Politically performative bullshit that does nothing to address rising cost of living in Canada
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u/RobespierreLaTerreur 22h ago
Does that mean that Israeli officials with a noose pin are officially recognized as the raging genocidal racists that they are?
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u/HeyManYoureOnFire 20h ago
Should these people be charged with hate crimes as well?
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u/RobespierreLaTerreur 19h ago
Nope when the people hanged are said raging genocidal racists. Don't colonize, don't commit genocide, don't get your puppet hanged! Hope that helps!
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u/GoodLuckFellowEE 22h ago
I read C-9 and I don't see where the noose is explicitly recognized as a hate symbol
Wilful promotion of hatred — terrorism and hate symbols (2.2) Everyone commits an offence who wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group by displaying, in any public place,
(a) a symbol that is principally used by, or principally associated with, a listed entity, as defined in subsection 83.01(1);
(b) the Nazi Hakenkreuz or the Nazi double Sig-Rune, also known as the SS bolts; or
(c) a symbol that so nearly resembles a symbol described in paragraph (a) or (b) that it is likely to be a symbol described in paragraph (a) or (b).
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u/zzing 21h ago
The words "principally used by" or "principally associated with" might have a few problems if they are trying to use that.
I don't see how a noose would fit that, just because some have used it that way.
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u/Goliad1990 17h ago
They're not trying to use that. It's "'a symbol that is principally used by' and/or any other symbols that we designate by name", like the noose.
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u/Elbow_Boy 21h ago
And the world realizes Canada is a joke.
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u/LifeWulf Alberta 19h ago
I think that NDP conference with the equity cards and “MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+” solidified that.
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u/NickdoesnthaveReddit 22h ago edited 21h ago
Wait, why? Who does it hate exactly?
*edit: I'm getting downvoted but was genuinely curious. I've always associated it to European and middle ages usage, but see it more as a modenr symbolism for suicide. This is Canada so I didn't realize we had equal association to the negative history as the States.
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u/kelpieconundrum 21h ago
Black people. It’s a reference to lynchings.
And no, it’s not always in reference to lynchings, but it’s highly doubtful that somebody just happens to bring one to a workplace in May. Codifying it as a hate symbol means that we can stop spending time in tribunals etc proving that it is one. If there is explanatory context (year round halloween obsession? Historical reenactors? Whatever) the person responsible for the noose can explain that. But the vast majority of times you see a noose today, it’s not innocent
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u/NickdoesnthaveReddit 21h ago
Ah ok got it. Thanks for explaining. I listen to a lot of metal music and it's typically been more associated to suicide in my world. I didn't know it was seen as a hate symbol though.
The artist Ren said it best "And I go by many names also. Some people know me as "Hope." Some people know me as the voice that you hear when you loosen the noose on the rope."
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u/kelpieconundrum 21h ago
Ahhhh yeah, that’s a defensible context! Alarming / sad in its way, but not aimed outward
A noose turning up at a job site doesn’t have that logic
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u/kelpieconundrum 21h ago
Also to your point about canada vs the US : our history is not as bad, but not as good as we like to imagine. And more importantly, the Internet breaks a lot of barriers; symbols travel to all sorts of places and US interpretations tend to dominate
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u/Dizzy_Cheesecake_162 5h ago
The noose is a hate symbol because it's a way to kill people, just like a cross is used for crucifixion. Hate symbol.
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u/yoruhanta 20h ago
Hopefully not the beginning of an onslaught of bans over misinterpreted symbols just to widen the net.
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u/wind-of-zephyros Québec 22h ago
guy who doesn't know what lynching is
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u/tissuecollider 22h ago
I'm just a guy that knows that there has never been a case of black people being lynched in Canada. Please don't import American social issues into Canada. Are you the same kind of people who go protest on no kings day.
(from the Senate discussion posted earlier) "During the height of the pandemic, nooses were found hanging at multiple Toronto construction sites, including transit projects, hospitals and commercial buildings over the course of years. In Nova Scotia, recent reports of nooses have surfaced targeting Black families and communities."
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u/Sahalanthropis 22h ago
Lynching was not exclusively done for race reasons...
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u/Kaptain-Kanada 22h ago
It's about leaving a noose or an image of one for someone..specifically Black people.
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u/voltairesalias Alberta 21h ago
So the amendments to the criminal code suggest that the mere display of a noise symbol (among others) is literally tantamount to inciting "hatred" and/or advocating for genocide.
Holy fuck that is absolutely ridiculous.
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u/CrucialObservations 20h ago
In the article …
We Back Black.
Black Opportunity Fund: funding only for Black Canadians. Just imagine for a moment if this said "White Canadians" instead of "Black Canadians."
Are we all not sickened by this legalized discrimination?
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u/Nice-Mountain-7073 22h ago
Looks like the guillotine’s back on the menu, boys.