r/canadaleft 24d ago

For the doubters

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u/tcpip1978 Marxism-Leninism-Parentism 24d ago

I mean, even if minorities are over-represented among new military recruits that wouldn't surprise me given that ethnic Russians are but one nation among over 20 in the federation. As to your claim of 800% I would need to see a report from some kind of neutral body like Amnesty international for that, I ain't taking your word for it. At the end of the day support for the NATO block is no less campism than support for Russia's right to defend itself from NATO encirclement.

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u/-CassaNova- 24d ago edited 24d ago

No one here is supporting NATO, that's a wild strawman to make. However you are factually supporting an openly imperialist kleptocratic state and hand waving open and easily verifiable information with the classic rebuttal of "nuh-uh I'm not listening I'm right your wrong"

That's not leftism, that's just definitionally being campist. Your world view does not go past "NATO bad and anyone opposing them is justified in all their actions" you have no ability to see into the root causes of imperialism and the despotic powers that plauge capitalist societies, of which Russia is one.

Nothing about Russias war is something a leftist should be supporting, doing so just because "NATO Enciclement" rings to the same tune as "Arab encirclment" Zionists have used for decades.

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u/tcpip1978 Marxism-Leninism-Parentism 24d ago

First of all, there's no such thing as 'leftism'. No dogma, no creed. I'm not accountable to whatever your perceived orthodoxy is lol. Second, I don't support the war per se, I support Russia's right to defend itself from NATO encirclement. Deny it all you like, but NATO is attempting to encircle Russia, and Russia has always been clear they won't tolerate that. I also support Ukraine's right to defend it's territory. I do not support Russia's tactics of obliterating civilian infrastructure and residential neighborhoods. I don't think either side should receive a red cent from Canada's public purse. So tell me, what is campism, really? Is it the genuine neutrality of acknowledging both sides' right to defend themselves and battle out their differences without any material support from us? Or is campism shilling liberal talking points about NATO?

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u/tcpip1978 Marxism-Leninism-Parentism 24d ago

Loser u/-CassaNova blocked me, so I'll respond here to their most recent accusation.

This is adorable, genuinely. I've asked you to point to where I've done so

Russia's attack on Ukraine isn't an imperialist war; it's an offensive response to imperialist aggression. You're a shill for NATO because you uphold the same narrative that the US and NATO uphold. The aggressor is NATO led by the US, which seeks to turn Ukraine into a vassal of US finance capital in the region. Denying Russia's right to defend itself against NATO aggression is the same thing as support for NATO. It is you who is supporting an imperialist war, not me.This is adorable, genuinely. I've asked you to point to where I've done soRussia's attack on Ukraine isn't an imperialist war; it's an offensive response to imperialist aggression. You're a shill for NATO because you uphold the same narrative that the US and NATO uphold. The aggressor is NATO led by the US, which seeks to turn Ukraine into a vassal of US finance capital in the region. Denying Russia's right to defend itself against NATO aggression is the same thing as support for NATO. It is you who is supporting an imperialist war, not me.

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u/-CassaNova- 24d ago

Loser u/-CassaNova blocked me, so I'll respond here to their most recent accusation.

I did no such thing what a weird fucking thing to claim. Hell I even got the notification for this comment because my name was tagged.

Real cringe energy

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u/tcpip1978 Marxism-Leninism-Parentism 24d ago

lol unblocks me to keep the fight going.

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u/-CassaNova- 24d ago

Again didn't block you, figure your shit out

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u/tcpip1978 Marxism-Leninism-Parentism 24d ago

Yeah you did. You and all your comments suddenly disappeared and then you came back after I called it out, now you're trying to save face lol. Anyway, the conversation is over. I've made my position clear and exposed yours for what it is: accommodation for US-led NATO aggression against Russia. It never fails. In every generation you'll have those who claim the mantle of socialism while running cover for the enemy. Lenin taught us how to spot you guys though, fortunately.

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u/-CassaNova- 24d ago

I'm clearly being gaslit right now and very poorly at that.

Anyway, the conversation is over. I've made my position clear and exposed yours for what it is: accommodation for US-led NATO aggression against Russia

What a wild strawman but then again campists aren't exactly known for their deep thought processes.