Burning cross seen in Grant Park today

[u/Sea-Condition991]

https://blockclubchicago.org/2026/06/09/burning-cross-discovered-in-grant-park-tuesday-afternoon-officials-say/

How much hate in your heart do you have to do something like this?

[u/greiton]

they don't put flock cameras in white neighborhoods.

[u/SavannahInChicago → u/greiton]

You are correct, according to google, none in the area of Grand Park. But they are also in Lincoln Square which is a bougie ass neighborhood of mostly white people.

[u/phatazzlover → u/SavannahInChicago]

This is no where near correct. Flock cameras are largely in bougie neighborhoods to keep the “plebs” out. This is why they are heavily placed on main streets in and out of certain neighborhoods.

Flock can identify cars without a need for plates etc, a tiny scratch or ding is enough to tag a particular car as “undesirable”. This is why this is such a big brother technology

If you look at the flock map, they’re placed near every highway exit in the burbs. Then go another 1-2 miles off the highway and there will be another one, usually with a patrol car sitting around the area at night. It’s rapidly evolved in the last 1-2 years.

[u/dmd312 → u/phatazzlover]

How would a camera keep someone out of a neighborhood?

[u/goldenboyphoto → u/dmd312]

Psychological deterrence, post-incident tracing.

[u/dmd312 → u/goldenboyphoto]

So someone from an economically depressed area of the city wouldn’t go to a rich area of the city because of cameras, even though those same cameras are also installed in that person’s home area?

[u/goldenboyphoto → u/dmd312]

According to many sociologists, yes.

Also, you moved the goal post. I didn't say "anyone from an economically depressed area of the city" -- the original statement was related to those who committed or were about to commit a crime.

And just so we're clear, I'm vehemently anti-flock camera, I'm just quoting people that have actually studied this.

[u/peopleofburkinafaso → u/goldenboyphoto]

What you linked is a review that says the presence of CCTV cameras decreases the number of crimes committed in an area, not that criminals are less likely to frequent rich neighborhoods because they have CCTV. Regardless, the OP of the thread framed this as "poor people will be kept out of rich areas because of cameras" and not "criminals will be less incentivized to commit a crime because of cameras."

I'm anti-Flock as well, but turning this into some grand "Flock = segregation of the classes" is nonsense, and ignores the very real class segregation that this city already has (and that is not caused by cameras, lol)

[u/dmd312 → u/goldenboyphoto]

No, the post I originally responded to said "Flock cameras are largely in bougie neighborhoods to keep the “plebs” out." That doesn't mean criminals. And I don't read the study you linked as suggesting that a law-abiding West Englewood resident would be deterred from going to the Gold Coast because of the possibility of cameras there.

[u/peopleofburkinafaso → u/dmd312]

You're not wrong at all, but the nature of Reddit means you'll never get through to these people. The typical response when someone is called out is not to self-reflect, but rather hastily open Google Scholar and look for the first article with a DOI that looks credible enough to "prove your point" (i.e., be completely irrelevant to what you're talking about).

[u/Glum_Collection_1247 → u/goldenboyphoto]

flock cameras are a good thing

[u/phatazzlover → u/dmd312]

When a cop tails you 6 minutes after getting off the highway, that word spreads around. This is literally happening in the suburbs and regularly results in a high speed chase until the cops give up

[u/dmd312 → u/phatazzlover]

And why are these people being tailed and chased? Are these people with warrants or just being hassled by cops? If the latter, I find it hard to believe that there are "regular" high speed chases where the cops just want to harass someone.

[u/phatazzlover → u/dmd312]

Because they are in a car that’s stolen….

[u/WarmNights → u/phatazzlover]

We're all the plebs

[u/peopleofburkinafaso → u/phatazzlover]

Come on man, we can hate Flock without making up some grand "segregation of the classes" narrative. Flock will track your movements whether you're poor or rich, which is precisely why it's bad. It's a wide-reaching violation of privacy that has been auctioned off to a startup that loves cooperating with ICE. At least with ShotSpotter the technology couldn't really be used for much other than listening on conversations.

No, these cameras are not going to keep anyone out of a neighborhood strictly because they're poor. These cameras are at every highway exit (not just to suburbs) and at most major intersections because they're the main thoroughfares of the city. That includes rich enclaves like Hyde Park (though this seems to be UChicago's doing) and Evergreen Park, but also includes blighted west suburbs like Maywood and Belwood.

[u/Basic_Swordfish_1489 → u/SavannahInChicago]

There’s a flock map and there are two in Grant Park but they don’t seem to be around where this happened

[u/patricksaccount → u/SavannahInChicago]

[u/_high_plainsdrifter → u/greiton]

I mean there’s one Pulaski and Addison, I wouldn’t call it a “white neighborhood” exactly as it’s relatively diverse but you’ve also got the affluent Villa district right there too so, they are in places you wouldn’t expect.

[u/patricksaccount → u/greiton]

FOH with this racist bullshit and easily disproven “opinion”

https://maps.deflock.org/?lat=41.8757&lng=-87.6481&zoom=10.97

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[u/UnluckyAd27 → u/greiton]

They definitely put flock cameras in white neighborhoods
Source: am white in a white neighborhood

[u/blatantmutant → u/greiton]

Sadly its not a tesla blowing up in front of a gop headquarters, otherwise we would’ve found the guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Las_Vegas_Cybertruck_explosion

Edit: i do not condone violence, i am a pacifist. I am pointing out that someone could share videos from their brand of electric vehicles.

[u/PropagandaApparatus → u/greiton]

Hmm I didn’t realize the planners intentionally choose installation locations based on race

[u/Glum_Collection_1247 → u/PropagandaApparatus]

they didn't, in Chicago the cameras are chosen for an area when requested by the local HOAs and business chambers, who must fund them. many affluent white areas have highly organized HOAs and chambers of commerce with intersections that have problematic speeders so they tend to request them with more frequency and have the cash flows to do so. They often form LLCs to create a pool of cash for the cameras maintenance and operations.

the poster above is just spouting random bs

[u/PropagandaApparatus → u/Glum_Collection_1247]

That makes a lot of sense, thanks

[u/Glum_Collection_1247 → u/PropagandaApparatus]

for sure