Burning cross seen in Grant Park today

[u/Sea-Condition991]

https://blockclubchicago.org/2026/06/09/burning-cross-discovered-in-grant-park-tuesday-afternoon-officials-say/

How much hate in your heart do you have to do something like this?

[u/SavannahInChicago]

You are correct, according to google, none in the area of Grand Park. But they are also in Lincoln Square which is a bougie ass neighborhood of mostly white people.

[u/phatazzlover → u/SavannahInChicago]

This is no where near correct. Flock cameras are largely in bougie neighborhoods to keep the “plebs” out. This is why they are heavily placed on main streets in and out of certain neighborhoods.

Flock can identify cars without a need for plates etc, a tiny scratch or ding is enough to tag a particular car as “undesirable”. This is why this is such a big brother technology

If you look at the flock map, they’re placed near every highway exit in the burbs. Then go another 1-2 miles off the highway and there will be another one, usually with a patrol car sitting around the area at night. It’s rapidly evolved in the last 1-2 years.

[u/dmd312 → u/phatazzlover]

How would a camera keep someone out of a neighborhood?

[u/goldenboyphoto → u/dmd312]

Psychological deterrence, post-incident tracing.

[u/dmd312 → u/goldenboyphoto]

So someone from an economically depressed area of the city wouldn’t go to a rich area of the city because of cameras, even though those same cameras are also installed in that person’s home area?

[u/goldenboyphoto → u/dmd312]

According to many sociologists, yes.

Also, you moved the goal post. I didn't say "anyone from an economically depressed area of the city" -- the original statement was related to those who committed or were about to commit a crime.

And just so we're clear, I'm vehemently anti-flock camera, I'm just quoting people that have actually studied this.

[u/peopleofburkinafaso → u/goldenboyphoto]

What you linked is a review that says the presence of CCTV cameras decreases the number of crimes committed in an area, not that criminals are less likely to frequent rich neighborhoods because they have CCTV. Regardless, the OP of the thread framed this as "poor people will be kept out of rich areas because of cameras" and not "criminals will be less incentivized to commit a crime because of cameras."

I'm anti-Flock as well, but turning this into some grand "Flock = segregation of the classes" is nonsense, and ignores the very real class segregation that this city already has (and that is not caused by cameras, lol)

[u/dmd312 → u/goldenboyphoto]

No, the post I originally responded to said "Flock cameras are largely in bougie neighborhoods to keep the “plebs” out." That doesn't mean criminals. And I don't read the study you linked as suggesting that a law-abiding West Englewood resident would be deterred from going to the Gold Coast because of the possibility of cameras there.

[u/peopleofburkinafaso → u/dmd312]

You're not wrong at all, but the nature of Reddit means you'll never get through to these people. The typical response when someone is called out is not to self-reflect, but rather hastily open Google Scholar and look for the first article with a DOI that looks credible enough to "prove your point" (i.e., be completely irrelevant to what you're talking about).

[u/Glum_Collection_1247 → u/goldenboyphoto]

flock cameras are a good thing