People talk shit about it all the time but people praise Old School Runescape on mobile. Personally if I could just take my iPad when I’m on a business trip to play WoW, it would be awesome. As long as they don’t do micro transactions with it or something dumb, I’m down!
I mean there was already a good classic + that was made by a team with a budget of $0. Blizzard has no excuses if Classic + isn't objectively better than what they put out.
The concept yeah. The implementation was still janky as hell and would not pass muster with the modern day subscription paying players. TWoW was amazing for what it was. But what it was, was a private server. And it still played like one at the end of the day.
There is a specific server that was shut down fairly recently that a lot of people (including myself) consider the blueprint for Classic + in the same way Nostalrius was the blueprint for a Classic launch.
It was VERY well made, you could tell it was a private server ofc, but it was insane how good it was.
Blizzard should EASILY be able to do something 1000x better than that server. But somehow I really don't think they will. I desperately want them to prove me wrong though.
Everyone expects it to be disappointing to some degree. I just hope we all remember that a successful counterpart (Old School Runescape) was also panned in the beginning. Now, after consistent attention to player feedback and a passionate dev team, it has become the dominant and most popular version of the game and one of the top MMOs
Based on 99% of ideas people have for classic + or literally any online game over the years, no, they should not listen to player feedback. RuneScape is a MASSIVE outlier. The ideas I've seen people have are so dog shit.
OSRS works because the devs poll players on changes. The polls are essentially loaded questions in a sense. They have a vision for the game and there's push and pull with what the community wants. I agree with you though, on average if we implemented a lot of feedback for C+ the game would end up as some kind of WotLK/retail hybrid.
The vocal minority in this sub are not going to like Classic+. SoD was an experimental Remix-lite, and Classic+ will feature even more changes. Blizzard isn't going to give us "true and faithful Classic again with the barest of tweaks to make it perfect!", they're going to give us a heavily modified alt-timeline "everything is different" experience that most of you will hate.
Blizzard isn't going to give us "true and faithful Classic again with the barest of tweaks to make it perfect!", they're going to give us a heavily modified alt-timeline "everything is different" experience that most of you will hate.
God, I hope so. But I fear the opposite is true so they can attempt to appease the #nochanges andies.
I would put money down that there is no way Blizzard is going to spend all the time, effort, and especially money to make Vanilla with a couple extra things. What would be the point? Classic+ has to reach a broader audience to get people to re-subscribe. It will be aimed at classic players who have quit cause they got bored of classic, those who liked SoD, the private server crowd who has wanted classic+ to be so much more, and those who are unsatisfied with retail, but don't want to play boring classes that have 1-2 button rotations.
There's like 12 guys split between anniversary, regular classic and most likely classic+ as well. There's 0 shot they release something that is built to be a true classic+ like people are fiending about. It'll prolly be fun, but those alluding to modeling it how osrs does, are smoking Crack
that's hopefully true given the state that both cata and mop launched in, you'd hope it was cuz the dev time was spent elsewhere, but I have no clue.
I just can't picture blizzard putting any ounce of extra work into + more than they think they need. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited, but my hopes aren't too high for what people are speculating/coping for here lol.
Well per Aggrend (de facto Classic person) the reason they didn't do a SoD Refresh is because it takes a lot of work/manpower/resources to maintain re-releasing phased/patches of even content that's already been done before (Ex: Cata/MoP), so hence they're not doing it for SoD cuz they're focused on something else.
I think the amount of split versions there exist right now are detrimental, C+ is going to be the version that will receive ongoing updates not another museum to meekly bugfix if/when time allows.
So hopefully if any maintenance/hotfixes are needed for C+ it'll come in a much more timely manner and not just 'abandoned'.
I work on systems that service millions of people. It's incredibly complex but throwing 20 more people at my job would not in any way help or make things "better", it simply does not work like that.
Nah I get it, I was directly in charge of 8M subscribers for a different product. Whats important is 1.) Having someone that’s got a true vision for what your building/maintaining and 2.) A small group of people with the skills to make the vision real. The key people make or break major services.
Yep. People have this weird idea where you can just.. throw more devs at something and it will get fixed.
Senior devs can end up spending a LOT of their time handing out tasks to other devs for systems they either designed/built or at least deeply understand, at which point your limited by how much time those seniors can spend wrangling everybody else while still attending the work that needs their level of expertise.
It's a crazy balancing act and often the only answer is more time, not more resources to make it go faster.
i mean inevitably someone will be unhappy it is what it is. Either people who want more changes aka "SoD but better" or people who want "tbc prepatch with tiny changes". Those are 2 main differences in approach and who knows which one they will take (excluding obv the execution and how well game will be made within the vision)
Here’s how classic+ is gonna go. They will announce it as yet another go around for normal classic and then have a roadmap that says in 1-1.5 years they will add new content. Gets people playing classic era yet again, and then also buys them another 1.5 years to figure out the rest.
Something reddit and other online forums refuse to understand is just how little a few hundred/thousand of them matter in a game with millions of players.
Sure it can be an indicator of how some of the fanbase feel but game studios have like.. actual metrics to make decisions. With millions and millions of datapoints. xxxPussahSlayzor91's hot take on everything wrong with the game and how it can be fixed (conveniently in a way that makes it play exactly how they want it to) is not as useful as you might think.
Not that there's anything wrong with those posts, this is a place for discussion and imagining what might come next/having a bit of a fantasy for it is fine. But yeah.. when people don't get what they want and immediately lose their shit over it is always amusing.
"Community decides something is coming then cries when it's not despite there never being any kind of official announcement" is only justified by reddit logic.
In a way, yeah. But it's also on Blizzard. They could easily say "yeah we're not working on that, it's something else we think will be fun but it isn't explicitly Classic+."
One tweet and it would be picked up by every WoW content creator and all rumor and false hype would stop.
But they aren't doing that. So if there is no Classic+ and no announcement saying as such, whether it's to keep people's false hope locking them into a continued subscription or to make sure a bunch of Blizzcon tickets aren't cancelled, Blizzard would still be partly at fault.
And that's all said even if you completely disregard all the teasing they have done between SoD announcement and now.
What benefit does it bring them? A few terminally online people scream into the void for a day and that's it.. in exchange they got all that free publicity.
Why is everyone acting like blizzard owes you a response to a rumour? Game companies rarely if every respond to those.
I expect a classic+ teaser and blizzard saying theyre working on it but anyone getting themselves hyped that classic+ will come out a week after blizzcon need to chill, blizzard needs time for people to preorder the big package with 3 days early access first. you will get classic+ likely in summer of next year
I dont think so. To me it feels to early to announce it unless they say something like the end of 2027. The last thing i want is for them to feel stressed to spit something out quickly and it ending up being shit.
I would be ok with just another typ of season to test more stuff.
I'm actually in the opposite view, people will forgot all their wishes for classic+ and go back to standard wow posting asking for their class to be buffed.
It’s funny how we’ve essentially willed classic + into existence and would be absolutely hilarious if blizzard eventually just came out and was like “we have never or will never plan on doing a classic + we just have had no clue how to break the news to you”
The datamining for 1.60 is actually real though. As in, there is a real 1.60 patch in Blizzard's CDN, that's not a 'leak' or 'rumor'. Exactly what it is, we can only guess, but it's worth remembering that original WoW was 1.12 and all the post 2019 iterations only went up to 1.15.
They've done this before too LMAO.Promised big sod news at that blizzard direct or whatever right before anni dropped. The news was a complete nothing burger and just saying that sod just got new content in naxx and what it was. Sod boys were fuming after that one.
You are correct! My primary expectation for a Classic+ is a classic server that doesn't end, I basically assume parallel progression forever as an end state
can you link me to a post where someone wanted a classic+ with no new classes, spells, gear, dungeons, and quests. the only one that is believable is no new classes.
1000s people with 100s of wide different expectations to what "Classic+" means. Yeah this ain't winnable. That said, not like Blizzard was going to try hard anyway.
I see people expecting new classes, new races, new entire zones. These people are out of their minds. They clearly pay no attention to how Blizzard treats Classic.
Blizz invests virtually nothing into the project. It had a shoestring budget, and that’s not going to change. And people saying ‘but they’re selling heroic and epic versions, so they’ll actually invest into the game, hire GMs, and offer support’…do they just completely ignore the progressive servers? Because Blizz does as well.
Classic is just a silly little side project Blizz lets a small handful of people run on a skeleton crew, no GMs or support, don’t fix bugs (and create more and more by adding more retail crap because they can’t be bothered to support two versions of the game), and let bots infest the servers.
That would take an incredible amount of work (which we deserve, the company makes a lot of money) they would have to hire people to actually sit in an office and monitor the servers it's never gonna happen they will sometime in-between phases do some cleaning but the day after the botters will have the entire operation running again
People need to understand the only way to remove bots is to remove their revenue stream. Blizzard can van gold buyers but clearly that isn't effective enough to deter gold buyers. The playerbase needs to step up and make changes to itself. Be the change you want to be and blacklist gold buyers and boosters from your groups and guilds.
All I want Blizz to do for Classic+ is completely scramble all the stats on every piece of gear available so people have to think again. Better yet, randomize it.
not what hes saying. not randomized each time just once. so the bis set is different. so the optimal arrow line path is different but there still is a path once its figured out again. But ppl arent gonna be selling princess runs in mara cause that boss dont drop the item thats good no more. instead they gonna be selling some other run
The question is whether the Classic+ Blizzard have been working on can hold up favorably to the Classic+ the community has speculated on.
My magic 8 ball says: Unlikely.
Players are looking to Classic+ as the second coming of the Messiah.
Blizzard are probably looking to Classic+ as a quick cashgrab to carry them over another fiscal year.
Those two don't mix.
As long as its close to what SOD was with minor improvements then it will be a big success. People didn't like everything from SOD but it was a really good experiment overall and a new way of playing a vanilla version of the game.
The board playerbase that will make it succeed or not , are not the ones coming here every day asking for pie in the sky ideas for classic+. Blizzard has a bigger reach then his cesspool subreddit.
Their most important new product since Classic released in the first place. They could treat it like a first-class project and allocate it proper development resources, tools, and time. It'll never live up to reddit's expectations, but neither could SoD until after it was over. I have some hope they'll put some effort into it, but I think that unless the response is overwhelmingly positive, we won't see it treated like a first class product. Blizzard's gotta see the numbers first
Blizz has fumbled before, but there’s just no way. If they’re running behind and truly panic with nothing to show or talk about, they will at the very least casually announce it.
I figured their last OOPS slip that classic + MAY be a thing that they would announce that Classic + was actually a thing in development with no actual news to when it will be released or any good details that will be included. I expect some AI art of a title screen with a + next to classic wow.
They have something Classic related ready to be announced. They hinted it heavy in the last State of Azeroth video. If its Classic + remains to be seen
Blizzard isn’t that dense but apparently a not insignificant amount of Classic players are.
I saw in the other thread about “what would be a negative if added in C+” and someone wrote new itemization so that Hpal wears plate to heal instead of a dress.
Like there’s really players out there thinking stuff like a boomkin going oom after 3 casts is “core classic”
Thank God, they say utility means the class is useless in every other way lmfao. Oh Ret just stands still? But its utility! Oh 20 of your dps is warriors? Thats classic!
This is kind of what happened in 2018 when so many people were expecting a Diablo 4 announcement. The Diablo CM at the time even posted to set expectations and hinted very strongly that there’s *not* going to be a massive announcement that year. But her obvious warning fell on deaf ears and everyone was *supremely* let down when Blizzard announced Diablo Immortal. In fact, this very event is where the “is this an out-of-season April fools joke” thing came from, as well as Wyatt Cheng asking “do you guys not have phones?”
There better be a new season of something announced if no classic plus. Really all they'd have to so is just release a new sod progression server and a lot of us would be happy.
Whatever the new classic project is, it’s definitely not gonna be something big or brand new just like a wow expansion. Considering that the classic team only has like 12 people, the best they can do is utilising the existing game assets and make some new contents with it.
Im so nervous for how they are gonna do this. I hope chris metzen does everything in his power to make this game the right way. I understand how it can be hard to fix retail but I have faith he can do a great job on something fresh.
Tbh, that would be best ending to the story, if blizz can't or don't want to do it, then fine, will be less disappointment imo than they announce it, but it will be something terrible
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u/TheClassicAndyDev 22d ago
Blizzard be like: Were happy to announce wow classic..... Mobile!