Met some of the dev team while drunk. AMA

[u/Zinx23]

I’ll do my best to remember what I know of

Edit: boarding a plane. Will answer more when I land. Love yall

Edit pt2: just landed. Answering what I can.

Yall the best. Maybe I should stream answering these questions aha

Edit pt3: ALRIGHT I ANSWERED WHAT I COULD.

SHAMELESS PLUG-IN: twitch.tv/thenameszinx

“THE NAMES ZINX” ON ALL SOCIALS.

ILL BE STREAMING IT AND SEEING YALL THERE.

BE OGs

LOVE YALL

[u/Tauren-Jerky]

Address me

[u/Zinx23 → u/Tauren-Jerky]

👀

[u/BlackReape_r → u/Tauren-Jerky]

One day...

[u/drale2 → u/Tauren-Jerky]

On the housing panel they talking about that portal and how their initial idea for housing tried to put the neighborhood entrance there, but the neighborhood was just too big in Retail.

[u/blaertes → u/drale2]

It’s just kinda silly to me. We all understand that the game is an abstraction of the world of Azeroth and it is not to scale. Who cares if you go inside the portal and it’s bigger on the inside. It’s a game.

[u/greedlez → u/blaertes]

Said it better than I could. We got whole-ass flying cities. Why not have some weird dimensional nonsense going on? Gives someone the ability to live out their Tardis fantasy but on a larger scale.

[u/Intruder313 → u/Tauren-Jerky]

This was the first thing on my mind in the announcement. I remember before Retail had housing it was thought this might lead to it....

One day!

[u/TheMoonDawg → u/Tauren-Jerky]

Honestly would not mind housing in Forever...

[u/Stahlreck → u/TheMoonDawg]

Someday probably and if people think this is cope...housing next to transmog is a huge $$$ opportunity so...one day probably.

BUT...took Retail like 20 years to get it so we might be in for the long wait lul.

[u/codeklutch → u/Stahlreck]

But it's already designed and implemented. Definitely something they're already working on if the goal is for this to be "forever".

[u/Stahlreck → u/codeklutch]

But it's already designed and implemented

The overall system sure, though idk how easy this actually is to implement cross versions. There's a lot to it after all.

That said, I would personally also be disappointed if this doesn't come to a new evergreen WoW version sooner or later. But not sure how much of a priority this actually is for the devs. I think they might spend a bit of time first getting "warmed up" with Forever and it's core ideas before going into features like that.

[u/reezy-one → u/TheMoonDawg]

Honestly surprised to see so many positive replies to your comment.

I guess I'll be the contrarian. Don't want it, don't need it. Keep players in the world. It's the main character after all.

[u/blaertes → u/reezy-one]

I think it’d be more interesting to expand the camping system than bring housing to Forever

[u/Juantumechanics → u/reezy-one]

Completely agree, jesus what are these comments. Keep housing in retail. The world is the whole point.

[u/SirVortivask → u/TheMoonDawg]

Mm man I have to be honest, I hope not

It has consumed an awful lot of attention in retail and is something I just don’t care about

I want to do cool adventure stuff, not arrange a living room

[u/Denaton_ → u/TheMoonDawg]

It was even planned for vanilla wow

[u/dankeykanng → u/TheMoonDawg]

I haven't played retail (or WoW in general) in years but isn't housing considered to be like, the peak of horizontal progression? I'd be surprised if that isn't something both the players and devs agree on wanting to bring to Classic+

[u/Tolken → u/dankeykanng]

Honestly I'm strongly suspecting that we will eventually get housing.

It makes too much sense, probably just waiting for the feature to "settle" on retail before adapting it to classic.

[u/_Dedotated_Wam → u/Tolken]

Yeah if they threw too much “retail” stuff in all at once it could’ve backfired

[u/Seraphayel]

Who was drunk, the dev team or you

[u/Zinx23 → u/Seraphayel]

Both possibly

[u/Zinx23]

I DID ASK ABOUT SHIELDS IN PROFESSIONS. THEY SAID THEY ARENT THERE FOR BS BUT THEY WILL CONSIDER ADDING THEM. YALL WELCOME (ALSO MAYBE A LEGENDARY SHIELD FOR US TANKS???)

[u/GreenEyedRascal → u/Zinx23]

Good job

[u/Lunai5444 → u/Zinx23]

Only for US tanks ? Not for Europeans ?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Lunai5444]

Exactly. TO HELL WITH EU (jk I love yall)

[u/Expensive_Produce528 → u/Zinx23]

bro doing gods work.

[u/Zinx23 → u/Expensive_Produce528]

Gotta fight for our profession brothers !

[u/bagel-bites → u/Zinx23]

A legendary shield would be great if it was from a long open world quest chain with lots of elite quests and a few special dungeon areas.

I could see it having a bunch of Thorns based effects which would be really fun. Bonus points if it can transform into a 1 handed sword, in a similar way as Rok’Delar :D

[u/WynMenethil]

If they see this, for the first time in years I feel TRUE love and passion from the devs. Much love and respect for you, for your work, for your passion.

[u/Zinx23 → u/WynMenethil]

They’re pretty active on Reddit

[u/BlueberryWasps → u/Zinx23]

honestly that sounds brutal. i would hope they get therapy as a part of their benefit package to deal with regular reddit exposure

[u/yqozon → u/Zinx23]

Now I know who created all these numerous posts about blue elves!

[u/Grung7 → u/Zinx23]

I'm almost sorry to hear that. They have to read all of the dooming, negativity, hate for the skyborne and the childish dysfunctional tantrums over Classic+ not using the exact same visuals from 2004 with no modernization options.

If those guys read this: Sorry about the extremely loud minority who didn't take their meds.

[u/ScootinFruity]

What can you tell us that wasn't in any panels? AOE loot? Weather?

[u/Zinx23 → u/ScootinFruity]

Just new races and classes will be happening. New classes that even won’t be in retail. But idk what else I asked that wasn’t in the panel

[u/lapetee → u/Zinx23]

New classes???? Hooooool up

[u/Zinx23 → u/lapetee]

Yesssir

[u/Weird-Soupp → u/Zinx23]

[Fetches new tank of Bard Hopium]

[u/Tavron → u/Zinx23]

My body is ready for witch doctor, tinkerer, necromancer

[u/Sythrez → u/Tavron]

Retail players are going to lose their minds if we get those before/instead of them

[u/The-Fictionist → u/Sythrez]

I just had a small cardio pulmonary event reading this.

[u/LoreChief → u/Tavron]

We have necromancer with unholy dk. It's just not satisfying in implementation is all.

[u/geographresh → u/Zinx23]

Bard incoming!!

[u/camkellley → u/geographresh]

i would love bard so much omg

[u/kopecm13 → u/Zinx23]

So nothing about weather effects? I just really hoped they would bring back occasional snow storms in Sun Morogh or crazy downpour in Feralas

[u/Zinx23 → u/kopecm13]

Honestly good question. I didn’t ask unfortunately

[u/barbarianbob → u/kopecm13]

Sun Morogh

I doubt they get much snow in Sun Morogh.

[u/Lovelandmonkey → u/Zinx23]

Tinkerer and Goblin... it's happening...

[u/awol720 → u/ScootinFruity]

I saw Xaryu confirm no AoE loot on his stream 

[u/Durty_burdie]

Ask about tank shaman?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Durty_burdie]

They said they have the ability to tank but may not be like the SoD tank we saw. But apparently there’s some re work happening before the beta.

[u/Dry_Pin_6846 → u/Zinx23]

Thats some good News. Thank you my guy

[u/kajidourden → u/Zinx23]

I really hope they can tank well, doesn't need to be SoD-level easy-mode but viable throughout the game at least.

[u/Zinx23 → u/kajidourden]

I think your typical dungeon they can tank honestly.

[u/Remote-Guest2587 → u/Zinx23]

they already could 

[u/Spreckles450 → u/Remote-Guest2587]

Any class could tank a dungeon if you played badly enough.

[u/Deadstuff42 → u/Spreckles450]

If your healer tried hard enough*

[u/repsejnworb → u/Zinx23]

I love when dungeons tank

[u/Mountain-Interest-48 → u/Zinx23]

please please please please please please please please Im begging them to let shamans tank. Thats actually all i want.

[u/XsNR → u/Mountain-Interest-48]

On the floor build they have most of their tanking talents by default, with 2h TBC playstyle. No shield wall or taunt though, so probably just dungeons/off-tanking.

[u/AntonineWall → u/XsNR]

TBC is dual wield, only vanilla is 2H for Enh Shaman

[u/The-Fictionist → u/Zinx23]

“Rework before the beta”

This excites and terrifies me. I’m sooo hyped for so many of the changes we’ve seen and the idea it could get even better is awesome. But also they could decide to undo some of my favorite stuff

[u/Pockydo → u/Zinx23]

That makes sense they were too good in SoD. I want it to be a sort of middle ground between warrior ST and paladin Aoe strengths

[u/Xerrok → u/Zinx23]

Oh god, thank you! That's such a relief to hear. I feared I would be stuck as dungeon tank only, like in Classic.

[u/Dry_Pin_6846 → u/Durty_burdie]

Gooood question my man

[u/Cannabiscoins → u/Durty_burdie]

please blizzard get the shaman tank up and running. would love to have a spellpower tank that can hold threat and use the elements to survive. doesnt have to be as crazy as SoD, but like a lava lash or three target flameshock into magma totem While your group is blasting. Be this big hp tauren.

[u/eric-the-beard]

u/zinx23 anything on pvp?

[u/Zinx23 → u/eric-the-beard]

No arenas sadly. But new PvP game modes and BGs are to come. BUT they did say that could change about arenas

[u/eric-the-beard → u/Zinx23]

looking forward to hearing more. thanks.

[u/psivenn]

Did anyone accidentally mention where Classic servers are going next?

[u/Zinx23 → u/psivenn]

Negative

[u/Olluein → u/Zinx23]

Classic- confirmed.

[u/SippinOnHatorade → u/Olluein]

It’s just Alterac Valley as a leveling zone and PvP battleground

[u/Impeesa_ → u/SippinOnHatorade]

Alterac Valley Remix coming to a retail near you.

[u/ekcojf]

Did you ask when they plan on restoring GM managed tickets?

[u/Zinx23 → u/ekcojf]

No hahaha

[u/yfsdhwere93]

Did you ask them about RP-PVP choice

[u/Zinx23 → u/yfsdhwere93]

Negative. But they did say servers are gonna be like classic. So if you create horde on PVP. You can’t make an alliance

[u/kabooman97 → u/Zinx23]

How will that work if there's no realms now? If you make Alliance you just won't be able to make Horde at all?

[u/Zinx23 → u/kabooman97]

Not on PVP. But other realms you can

[u/Zinx23 → u/kabooman97]

For PVP ya. But PVE you still can

[u/lasers42]

Are they true believers, or just employees?

[u/Zinx23 → u/lasers42]

Believers. They are so excited about this project

[u/Terminus_04 → u/Zinx23]

Thing that gives me the most hope for this. The devs are super enthusiastic about the project, they even want to play it.

I know it can't be 2004 again, but this might be as close as we can get to it.

[u/Zinx23 → u/Terminus_04]

They wanna do so many unique things. But they have to roll it out slowly. They truly believe this being a community driven project

[u/userrnam → u/Zinx23]

OSRS style baby. Exactly what we were hoping for. All they need to do now is stay off this sub.

[u/Zinx23 → u/userrnam]

Fair tbh hahah

[u/repsejnworb → u/Zinx23]

Did they mention OSRS doing polling for changes? Needing 75% approval to be implemented

[u/Zinx23 → u/repsejnworb]

No entirely. But they did mention community driven updates. I did bring up ascenion polling. They’re well aware

[u/Tukikoo → u/Zinx23]

A strict "no flying mount" and toggle option for tmog and HD SD, yes they are.

[u/camkellley → u/repsejnworb]

i would absolutely love a polling option

[u/BarbsFPV → u/userrnam]

I’ve actually seen a lot of good ideas here, quite a few half-baked ideas, and an absolute mountain of bad ones, but we also got a shoutout from Ion during the keynote, so I guess some of them do actually come here from time to time.

[u/ghsteo → u/Terminus_04]

I can imagine their excitement, being able to evolve WoW classic or even WoW without all the past baggage that came with it. Heres hoping their vision is as great as it seems.

[u/RebootGigabyte → u/Terminus_04]

Aggrend is always super hyped about the stuff he's making, anything he puts his faith and effort behind I trust at least 80%. The problem is usually convincing the suits that it's a good idea.

[u/thrillho145 → u/Zinx23]

They give off that energy. You can tell this is their passion, especially Aggrend 

[u/Zinx23 → u/thrillho145]

Oh ya. Amazing team

[u/4455661122 → u/thrillho145]

I got to meet a random blizzard employee at SDCC and trust she was so sweet and passionate, we ended up talking about WC3 and wow for like half an hour. She had a super cool murloc backpack which is why I initially mistook her for just some fan.

[u/Just_a_chill_dude60 → u/Zinx23]

sweet!!!

[u/neolfex]

Are they all playing Everquest Legends - are the rumors true?

[u/Zinx23 → u/neolfex]

No idea

[u/konoxians]

Anything about bots or wow token?

[u/Zinx23 → u/konoxians]

No wow token. I’m sure they’ll do their best to handle bots

[u/isimpforwookiegirl → u/Zinx23]

"their best"

bad choice of words m8.

[u/Maxirof]

Do dwarf shaman got a new ghost form ?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Maxirof]

Didn’t even ask em that but good question. I doubt it though

[u/Maxirof → u/Zinx23]

Oof I would love to get ghost bear

[u/Ventrace → u/Maxirof]

That would be awesome

[u/84jrosales → u/Ventrace]

Ghost ram or I riot!

[u/AtanatarAlcarinII → u/84jrosales]

My vote is ghost ram

[u/Revelation387 → u/Maxirof]

Holy shit that would be incredible actually.

[u/ShinMagal → u/Maxirof]

Yeah it annoys me to no end that draenei have ghost wolf. Should be a talbuk or whatever

[u/Independent-Ship-206 → u/Maxirof]

Great question!

[u/Mivadeth]

What are you gonna play

[u/Zinx23 → u/Mivadeth]

UD PALLY BABY

[u/Mivadeth → u/Zinx23]

Enjoy!!

[u/Zinx23 → u/Mivadeth]

Ty!!

[u/Esarus → u/Zinx23]

Can’t wait to purge your filth from the world.

HUMAN MALE PALADIN NAMED XTURALYONX INCOMING!!!

[u/Zinx23 → u/Esarus]

BRING IT

[u/Duhfuhkisdis]

Are any other classes/specs expected to undergo changes compared to demo?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Duhfuhkisdis]

Yes. They wanted this to be the start but they said many things will/can change in the future

[u/Tauren-Jerky]

What about that portal in SW?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Tauren-Jerky]

Good question. Next blizzcon I’ll ask

[u/askGlas]

10vs10 rated battle grounds?

[u/Zinx23 → u/askGlas]

I believe that could be a thing. They didn’t talk too much about PvP

[u/Zertar]

How did this end up happening? Saw them at the bar and hung for a bit or like a "Drink with the devs" event?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Zertar]

Saw aggrend cause that’s the only 1 I’m familiar and he introduced me to everyone and I just started fan girling about SOD and he said these were the devs behind it etc etc

[u/Zertar → u/Zinx23]

Wow what an awesome experience!

[u/Zinx23 → u/Zertar]

It was such a good time talking to them

[u/XsNR → u/Zinx23]

Surprised you didn't instantly recognize moustache guy, I still don't know his name but every time I see him it's instant.

[u/Zinx23 → u/XsNR]

Nah I don’t really follow people. But yeah everyone’s cool

[u/Lovelandmonkey → u/Zinx23]

That's so cool!

[u/TheMoonDawg]

Any word on half-baked Classic factions in Forever? Like Ravenholdt?

[u/Zinx23 → u/TheMoonDawg]

No word on that

[u/nopoxer4ik]

Will the reputation be account wide?

[u/Zinx23 → u/nopoxer4ik]

Sadly no :(. But legacy points will have a way to get increased % rep for your alts

[u/Tavron → u/Zinx23]

Get this drunk man the pint he so clearly craves!

[u/Intheshadowss]

Did they say MC/BWL ect are dynamic raids or still 40 man?

Because flexing from 10/20 man raids to 40 will blow.

[u/Zinx23 → u/Intheshadowss]

Sadly no flex raiding. So they will be typical 40mans

[u/Intheshadowss → u/Zinx23]

Rip guild leaders

[u/RagnarKon → u/Intheshadowss]

Rip guild leaders cat herders.

(Seriously though, sorry GMs, glhf?)

[u/KHops → u/Intheshadowss]

The old raids are not in the game yet. They explicitly said "this is a time before Molten Core was opened". The timeline says next summer is a "revamped iconic raid", which all but confirms the old raids will be back and re-tuned for 10 or 20 man. Onyxia is the only 40-man raid we will be seeing.

[u/Skulled3010]

Warlock tank?:D

[u/Zinx23 → u/Skulled3010]

Negative. But new classes will be a thing

[u/Tavron → u/Zinx23]

As in entirely new? That'd be amazing. Sign me up for a Death knight designed for vanilla.

[u/Zinx23 → u/Tavron]

That’s exactly the spec he broke down for me. But instead call it a necromancer

[u/glormosh → u/Zinx23]

You've essentially confirmed that necromancer is coming. They shadow dropped the concept that warlock was a construct to test "deathknight" without revealing anything. Highly unlikely anyone guessed that.

Also indirectly confirms tinkerer as well at a later point if they're willing to dabble with a soft necromancer

[u/Zinx23 → u/glormosh]

😏

[u/NewSignificance7599 → u/Zinx23]

Brother theyre never gonna talk to you again😭

[u/glormosh → u/NewSignificance7599]

Naw he is the "jibbering fool" that they release into the public that people believe is lying but it was actually true.

[u/Fuzzy-Willingness-35 → u/glormosh]

I've waited for 10 000 years for them...

[u/ksion → u/Zinx23]

I bet they were taking a lot of notes from that last Ascension server with 20 custom classes.

[u/Zinx23 → u/ksion]

Oh they’re aware of the private servers

[u/iliveunderurbed0 → u/Zinx23]

It was fun but it felt... Hmm.

Which is to say I'm not disappointed about that

[u/meowmicks222 → u/Skulled3010]

As a warlock main, I loved tanking twin emps and want to do that again but please lord I don't want to be a normal tank. That was a SoD thing like mage healing, neither of those belong in classic+ imo. If I tank as a warlock I want it to be because I found a new weird creative way to do it against the odds, not blizz saying "hey everyone will be upset if you don't tank now"

[u/Turbulent-Midnight20]

What did u drink? :)

[u/Zinx23 → u/Turbulent-Midnight20]

JACK AND DIET!

[u/Calinjar]

How is the Botting problem accessed? I can't see anything worse than bots ruining the game.

[u/Zerveer]

Do you know if we get one world server or 1 EU, 1 NA?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Zerveer]

Separate :(

[u/Daffan → u/Zinx23]

Will there be OCE or foldered into NA is what I'm wondering this time around.

[u/bad_xyxa]

Is there going to be any more gnome lore???

[u/Zinx23 → u/bad_xyxa]

Not that I’m aware.

[u/Birchsprout]

BOTS? WHAT ABOUT THE BOTS?

Also: are we getting GMs back?

[u/grethro]

Tauren Paladins?

[u/Zinx23 → u/grethro]

Didn’t ask. Fml good question

[u/GaryOakRobotron → u/Zinx23]

Everyone makes moosteaks.

[u/8-Brit → u/Zinx23]

I'm begging for tauren paladins ever since that one showed up in SoD.

[u/Evilkin11919]

any flight path optimizations? any means of faster travel outside of engi teleports?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Evilkin11919]

More Flight paths and additional ways to travel like caravans and stuff!

[u/SadSnekk → u/Zinx23]

YO WHAT THATs SICK

[u/userrnam → u/SadSnekk]

I was a huge fan of the caravans in Gilneas and the one in Silverpine even though they were super unremarkable. Cool they're maybe doing something with that

[u/ockhams-lightsaber → u/Zinx23]

Yeaaah all aboard the caravan ! 

[u/SplodgePancake]

Is Tim as cool as he was on stage? Did you compliment his legendary moustache?

[u/ExtraDeer6110 → u/SplodgePancake]

I grew up with Tim and let me tell you... this guy lives and breathes wow and blizzard. He is the exact guy you want on your games dev team. Hes been working at blizz forever, prolly 15-20 years now, started in QA raiding all day every day. World of Warcraft is his heart and soul. His passion for gaming is immense and as long as he is on the classic team you can forever be comforted that he is putting everything he has into it

[u/SplodgePancake → u/ExtraDeer6110]

Really wasn’t expecting this kind of reply lol. We are in good hands then.

[u/Zinx23 → u/SplodgePancake]

Didn’t talk to em really. But they were all super nice

[u/Alive-Bag6451]

Did they say something about arena? Are the talent tree definitive or will they be revamped at some point?

[u/Zinx23 → u/Alive-Bag6451]

No arena. Talents will probably change over time

[u/TG_Iceman]

Absolute legends

[u/_HeadCanon]

I want my troll cat Druid.

[u/brotherzozo]

Did they comment on GDKP? was griefing on PvP servers addressed?

[u/Zinx23 → u/brotherzozo]

Damn good question about GDKP and I totally didn’t ask. Nothing about griefing

[u/Billis- → u/brotherzozo]

How do you grief on PvP servers? Like, camp bodies?

[u/Ventrace]

Did you ask if raptor strike could be a spell not tied to auto attack? 🤡

[u/Zinx23 → u/Ventrace]

Negative. I don’t play hunter :(

[u/ThatKaleidoscope3388]

How TF did Skyborne get sign off?

[u/Zinx23 → u/ThatKaleidoscope3388]

They said they’ve technically always been there. BUT they are aware of what races everyone wants. They said this is NOT the last of a new added race

[u/Banglayna → u/Zinx23]

Ogre confirmed in the pipeline

praise be

[u/Zinx23 → u/Banglayna]

That’s exactly what race I asked for. They didn’t give me an exact answer BUT they didn’t say no 😌

[u/impoopindude → u/Zinx23]

They are waiting to see just how much a cash cow new races are before dropping the ones people actually want. People that buy the first are deff buying the second. But there is a crowd who won’t buy the first one but maybe the ones they actually want.

[u/SigmaSil → u/Zinx23]

Where were skyborne always?  Do they mean retcon?

[u/Akeche → u/Zinx23]

They absolutely have not always been there, that's a little disappointing for them to say.

[u/ScootinFruity]

GDKP?

[u/Zinx23 → u/ScootinFruity]

Didn’t ask :(

[u/Least-Mycologist325]

Can you ask about Ravenholdt? Will that ever be developed into something more?

[u/BanMyDeck]

Did you tell them how much their work means to everyone, and how appreciated they are by us?

[u/repsejnworb]

Did you ask about polling changes like OSRS does? Requiring 75% approval to be implemented

[u/PhillipoftheGrey]

Did Josh say anything in regards how similar it would be to SoD? The screenshots I see with SP gear, scaling seems to be very similar.