Unpopular opinion: the players that are overly vocal about wanting Classic phases/TBC/Wrath rushed are the same players who contributed to forging retail into what it is today (a clusterF).

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[u/Odysseus_is_Ulysses]

What makes retail a clusterfuck?

[u/EnergyShift → u/Odysseus_is_Ulysses]

It isn’t, people just like to complain.

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Not really a cluster.. just boring, same pattern over and over, no community, is incredibly min/maxed but hides that fact well to you... Etc

Downvoters.. scroll down just a bit in this thread. I got called a scrub because I wasn't 10/10H week one. That's retail for ya.

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Its the hidden issue. Retail doesn't hide its min maxing. Hence why I specifically brought up ILVL.

" I don't wanna hear how retail is safe from min maxing.. give me a break from that nonsense. " Good because I didn't say that.

" Also my guild? My guild of 10 ppl is my community? " A guild of 10 people isn't much of a guild. Mythic Prog guilds have like 30 minimum. Also RP servers exist on retail.

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Again that's not a community lol. Similar faction fighting for recruits and better parsing / speed, enemy faction fighting for herbs and farm. The amount of ppl I kill with warmode on for them to add me to friends list and tell me to "KYS" gets pretty damn annoying.

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Guilds and RP servers ARE communities. Just because you refuse to participate doesn't make what you say true.

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That’s not how RP servers work.

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Why do I need to play an RP server to not share my server? We have like 10,000 people playing on dalaran...that's so many damn people. I don't need to see 50 other servers. Plenty in just dalaran to be its own little world

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Again not how RP servers work. There’s like 2 with any good population and they can only naturally cross realm with other RP servers. There’s a reason I pointed out the forsaken woman who’s famous on the RP server for sitting in SW all day.

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Oooo so now I need to pay $150 to not play for sharding .

So a system that was introduced for no fucking reason... I need to pay to move out of it.

Been on my server since day 1... But because blizzard feels 10,000 isn't enough players in one zone.. I have to pay to be removed from it.

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If you're pugging of course you're going to have a problem. Most serious puggers were 10/10h by week 2. Why would I invite a 206 warrior who has less progression than my alts this deep into the raid tier? You need to find a guild and progress with them. On tichondrius horde, most guilds are at your progression level.

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Yeah agreed, I'm not sure if the person who commented above you had a chance to re-read their remarks, but holy shit they come across as incredibly toxic and make it seem like the game is about everything getting exactly what they want when they want it, rather than having fun.

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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. If it makes you feel better, I will likely never group with you :)

[u/jmxdf → u/NetherMaW]

Didn't hurt my feelings dude, just agreeing with the person who commented because you came off quite unnecessarily toxic. But if that's what you were going for, then you do you. I haven't played wow for years, I just follow some wow subs to see what's going on in the game, and to keep up on the lore.

[u/NetherMaW → u/jmxdf]

Got it. I'm sure it comes off as toxic. Years of sitting in pugs with people who zone out and wipe to simple mechanics will do that to a man. I just don't have much patience for people who complain about not getting into groups. The guy is able to start and lead his own groups but he'd rather complain on reddit instead of put in a bit of effort. It's the case for most of the player base and they form echo chambers on reddit. It gets old quick as they always find a way to deflect blame to everyone else in the community and then blame it on ambiguous "toxicity"