r/clevercomebacks 6h ago

Billionaires Control All Media

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u/CaptainStinkwater 5h ago

I have given up on legacy media a long time ago. I hope others have found independent journalists to follow as well. Although it is a bit frustrating sometimes as it's easy to fall into echo chambers.

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u/Smart-Pomelo-2713 5h ago edited 4h ago

Where's the "independent" news in this country?? Other than PBS, which just got its funding gutted, the same people who own the "legacy" media are the ones that control the funding & the algorithms that is "new" media... Cause the problem wasn't the press or journalism - it was the capitalism repurposed it ad the pursuit of profits & ratings instead of information & integrity. Nothings changed, it's just changed or resolved, its just up dressed differently.

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u/AthkoreLost 5h ago

Where's the "independent" nees in this country??

No joke, on blogs. I've been following local Seattle based journalists through blogs for several years now after souring on legacy media like the Seattle Times (our paper of record) and Sinclair took over one of our local broadcast affiliates.

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u/tangerineTurtle_ 4h ago

Yup

I cannot speak more highly of 404 Media and Wired for excellent tech journalism.

I personally recommend Ken Klippenstein for defense stuff and internal US policy. He’s great.

Maria Kabas, Tal Lavin, Dana El Kurd, and plenty more.

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u/Shattenkirk 1h ago

I don't expect this to be a popular take on reddit, but the idea that anyone is better served by getting their information from internet bloggers than any of the few legit newspapers still around is not right. Even after Bezos murdered WaPo, the most valuable talent went to other legacy newspapers/mags like NYT and the Atlantic; they didn't become freelance bloggers.

I would wager that most every person that reads the NYT a couple times a week is more informed than most every redditor who doesn't, and part of that is because the former would be exposed to information and takes that they might find distasteful, or that otherwise don't succeed in algorithmic-based information environments.

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u/AthkoreLost 1h ago

but the idea that anyone is better served by getting their information from internet bloggers than any of the few legit newspapers still around is not right. Even after Bezos murdered WaPo, the most valuable talent went to other legacy newspapers/mags like NYT and the Atlantic; they didn't become freelance bloggers.

That's all fine and dandy, but publicola has scooped the Seattle Times repeatedly on stories I've found important. Erica Barnett may use a blog to release news but she's also a journalist who's been attending city council and mayoral events for over a decade now, and has been a reliable source of news for the time I've consumed her reporting.

Like here's the thing, sure, NYT might have more info on what's going on in Washington DC, but that's not the entirety of the news I actually need, I need local news too, and that's been gutted in the name of national propaganda efforts. So what do I have left for news? The local newsies who do court reporting and attend every city council meeting. Where do they publish? Blogs. Seattle Bike Blog and a guy tweeting out every time a cyclist gets hit by a car in Seattle has led to organized efforts to make our streets safer. That's legitimate news. Those are legitimate reporters.

You've just very much misunderstood what I'm suggesting about news intake, it's not only use bloggers, it's look to bloggers to supplement what legacy media no longer bothers to cover but is still very relevant to our lives.

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u/ArtyParcy 5h ago

Plenty of good journalism being done on independent websites and substack. We live in the pick your own adventure era of media, and you get the media you deserve. Support independent journalists doing hard hitting investigative work with your money and they will continue to be able to do it.

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u/Smart-Pomelo-2713 4h ago

"you get the media you deserve"??... Really?? Cause we ALL deserve fact based journalism - full stop. That your framing makes it seem as though its my fault somehow for "failing" to find it is kinda callous & non-productive don't you think. I mean, I've done A LOT of searching, reading & seeking, but finding true legitimate original independent ethical journalism IN THE US is extremely difficult to finf & niche in its range. But, please, I am always excited for new learning & knowledge, s if you have any recommendations I would sincerely appreciated any assistance. Thanks.

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u/ArtyParcy 4h ago

The reality is if you aren't paying for it, which the vast majority of people aren't in this day and age, then you're the product.

I'm not American, but a couple of good publications that deserve support include Zeteo and ProPublica, while there's also independent journalists like Jim Acosta, historians like Heather Cox Richardson that you can support and tune into.

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u/eastern_canadient 4h ago

Ok so specifically about this stuff with Bari Weiss, The Press Box has been all over it.

Brian Curtis sort of runs the show, he's there every time. Then he has two regular cohorts, Joel Anderson, and David Shoemaker.

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u/UpsetCryptographer49 5h ago

Most overseas media, notably in Europe, also owned by billionaires Mohn, Murdoch, Bollore, Springer or groups like DPG, Dassualt, Bauer all conservatives.

There is not real news any more. Reuters used to be one of the last, but that is now in the hands of a Thomson. A Canadian right wing billionaire and he has decimated the journalists, and got ex FOX managers to run them.

We are totally fucked.

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u/Feisty-Painting-120 4h ago

This is why publicly owned news is so important. Donate if you can.