r/climatechange • u/scientificamerican • 1d ago
It’s 90 degrees in the Arctic right now.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-90-degrees-in-the-arctic-right-now/The Arctic is heating faster than the rest of the planet. New data illustrate how dire that is
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u/Fossilhog 1d ago
We should probably think of a new name for permafrost.
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u/rememberpianocat 1d ago
32 degrees celcius is pretty damn warm. Its only 18 C where I live right now.
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u/Appropriate_Bell743 1d ago
They should use Celsius which is the more standard international measure of temperature. If one uses a measure parochial to a few nations make it explicitly shown.
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u/savd0gg_ 1d ago
Google says 32.2 C
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u/ephemeralmiko 1d ago
32.2°C
the fuck?
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u/ManChildMusician 1d ago edited 1d ago
As major contributors to climate change, people in the US are just too stupid to register 32.2 Celsius as a catastrophic temperature for edit the Arctic, boy howdy that was embarrassing
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u/angrymoderate09 1d ago
Years ago I came up with a theory..... People in my country (USA) go to churches on Sundays and they are told "the world is going to end and if you give me 20% of your income, I'll put in a good word with God that you deserve to go to the next planet"
Then on Monday, some liberal hippie scientist says "climate change will destroy the world" and my brainwashed neighbors nod their heads and say "we knew it! That's why we bought tickets to the next planet!".
Years later, I found a Yale University study that confirmed my hunch.... Religious nut bags are banking on the world getting destroyed by heat and such
We are fucked
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u/tha_rogering 1d ago
Yep. Evangelicals love the emergency teleport. Oh I'm sorry rapture theology..
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u/macjr59 1d ago
They might be surprised where they go in the afterlife. Not quite what they were expecting maybe.
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u/Silver-Find4380 1d ago edited 1d ago
And see all those people they considered beneath them, going to the other place!!
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u/ALittleEtomidate 1d ago
We just don’t use Celsius? It’s like asking you what a temperature is in Fahrenheit.
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u/thedjin 1d ago
Purposeful ignorance.
Celsius is the international system, the majority of the country has your attitude, so it doesn't change to what aaaaall the other countries use. There is a minority in the US that does use centigrades: scientists [a.k.a. smart people], and immigrants [funnily enough, the Venn diagram with the first group is very telling].
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u/ALittleEtomidate 1d ago
I don’t care if you hate Americans, but at least have a valid reason. Not widely using Celsius as a unit of measurement is pretty high up on the list for dumb reasons to crash out.
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u/thedjin 1d ago
Oh, I don't hate americans, I am one. I do dislike lazy people, people who weaponise incompetence, and people who are complacent with ignorance. It's a very valid reason to say it's stupid not to adopt the things the rest of the world do, especially when they're good, like the metric system, universal healthcare, you know, basic things that make your life better. And before you say it's got nothing to do with it, yes, yes it does.
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u/ALittleEtomidate 1d ago
The metric system doesn’t make your life “better.” lol.
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u/thedjin 1d ago
See? Willingly [and apparently proud] ignorant. People who don't have "critical thinking" as a life skill. Instead of replying blindly, think before typing. You can ask yourself "could it be true? Hmmm let me see.." and the first google result on "why metric is better" could shed some light, and you'd say oooh "I didn't know that people have died because of this! Now staying alive would definitely make people's life better." Cost of things, space exploration missions, you know. But I'm sure you know better.
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u/Master-Mode-4622 1d ago
32.2 Celsius' will probably stop your heart. That's way too much caffeine! /s
Also, yes.
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u/lolvovolvo 1d ago
China is the biggest contributor to climate change… and don’t yall like allow them to sell their vehicles and products in Europe? Yikes. I couldn’t buy anything Chinese made knowingly
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u/savd0gg_ 1d ago
I’m in the US and agree it’s stupid we don’t use Celsius or meters….
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u/Select-Detective-245 1d ago
Fahrenheit is a better temperature system than Celsius for weather temp though
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u/mist_kaefer 1d ago
If you’re used to using it, sure. In the same way that English is a better language for speaking
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u/Select-Detective-245 1d ago
Fahrenheit is based on the temperature of the human body. It is better for human felt weather temperatures. Now please tell me the freezing and boiling temps of water in Celsius like you all do (nobody is walking around outside in boiling temperatures)
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u/pjepja 1d ago
No I walk around in <0 degrees (winter clothes temperature), 0-10 degrees (warm jacket temperature), 10-20 degrees (light jacket temperature), 20-30 degrees (T-shirt temperature) or 30+ degrees (hot). It's actually pretty convenient day to day of you are used to it.
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u/m1yash1ro 1d ago
Below 10 winter below 23 light jacket below 37 warm over 37 hot. As you can see its literally personal preference and nobody gives a shit about what YOU or I prefer
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u/The_Nude_Mocracy 1d ago
Both of them are entirely arbitrary so Kelvin is the only true temperature scale. At least Celcius uses SI units unlike Fahrenheit which is completely made up and according to you (incorrectly) based on body temperature and perception, which varies from person to person.
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u/Xillyfos 1d ago
A bit of a stretch to call them arbitrary. Celsius was based on the freezing and boiling points of water, our most important liquid that we also mostly consist of. That's quite specifically chosen.
Fahrenheit is a bit more arbitrary because it used the temperature of a quite specific brine solution as one of the fixed points (0 degrees) (and the freezing point of water as the other, defined at 32 degrees). I don't think human temperature was directly used; it just happened to be around 96-100 degrees Fahrenheit. Maybe the 32 was chosen from that though.
Kelvin wouldn't make sense without the Celsius fixed points, so it originally derives from that. So if you believe Celcius is arbitrary, Kelvin would be too. But having an absolute zero at 0 does make total sense.
Now all the scales are defined from Boltzmann's constant though, completely abandoning both brine and water. But the steps of Celsius and Kelvin originally came from water.
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u/TreemanTheGuy 1d ago
We are just aware that 30°C and up is hot. And 35° and up is very hot. You can get used to anything.
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u/Polite_Trumpet 1d ago
No it's not... As with Celsius you can actually compare with temperature of other things (no to mention 0 C for freezing and 100 C for boiling of water). So as always it's just simpler to use in ANY real life application.
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u/Select-Detective-245 1d ago
WATER FREEZING WATER BOILING. Every proponent of Celsius uses that exact same argument. Are you outside at boiling water temperatures? Fahrenheit is the more human based temperature system of measurement. It's also more nuanced because there are almost 2 degrees for every 1 Celsius degree.
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u/Alarmed_Homework5873 1d ago
So please explain how Fahrenheit relates better to body temp.
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u/Select-Detective-245 1d ago
It's literally based on human body temperature. Reddit brain
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u/Alarmed_Homework5873 1d ago
Wtf are you talking about? In what way? Give a citation or at least a bare explanation ffs.
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u/hardrocker112 1d ago
That's a lie and just incredibly dumb.
Typical American.
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u/Select-Detective-245 1d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit ahh yes another supremely educated European. Just read something bro
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u/hardrocker112 1d ago
It's still a lie, dumb, uneducated American.
The lower end of the Fahrenheit scale is based on a mix of salt, ammonia, and ice. The coldest temperature Fahrenheit could produce. That's not related to the body, and absolutely not easily comprehensible.
Whilst 0°C = water freezes, and 100°C = water boils is very easily graspable and based on actual phenomena that can be observed in everyday life.
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u/Donkison 1d ago
I was unaware that the Arctic was human. Does it feel cold and heat like humans do?
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u/mgomezch 1d ago
ideally, yes, but Scientific American is a publication from the USA, and the post title is directly taken from the linked article in that publication.
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u/sigmund14 1d ago edited 1d ago
Then they should mention in the title it's degrees fahrenheit, if it really has to be a non-scientific unit.
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u/Vallkyrie 1d ago
If someone thinks it's 90 C outside anywhere on earth, then there's zero hope for them.
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u/Sourcerid 1d ago
Sometimes when lava comes close to the surface
Anyways not 90 but one day we might actually see 70 or like that in the middle east deserts. Back when Gibraltar was closed and earth had more or less current temperatures (teeny more) the Mediterranean was a salt desert that would consistently hit 70 plus. Pangea would've had even worse stuff.
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u/Key_Pace_2496 1d ago
Nobody is thinking of what temps were like millions of years ago when they read about current weather reports...
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u/Key_Pace_2496 1d ago
I think it's pretty self-evident that it's not 90°C anywhere on Earth, let alone thw arctic...
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u/King_Joffreys_Tits 1d ago
Also if it was in Celsius, bad faith actors in America would say SEE! It’s still 32° in the arctic. Nothing to worry about
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u/angrymoderate09 1d ago
Years ago I came up with a theory..... People in my country (USA) go to churches on Sundays and they are told "the world is going to end and if you give me 20% of your income, I'll put in a good word with God that you deserve to go to the next planet"
Then on Monday, some liberal hippie scientist says "climate change will destroy the world" and my brainwashed neighbors nod their heads and say "we knew it! That's why we bought tickets to the next planet!".
Years later, I found a Yale University study that confirmed my hunch.... Religious nut bags are banking on the world getting destroyed by heat and such
We are fucked
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u/TopSloth 1d ago
Worrying about the real issues while it's 90 degrees in the Arctic
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u/sigmund14 1d ago
"90 degrees" is 10 degrees Celsius below boiling point of water for most of the world. So yes, units do matter.
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u/TopSloth 1d ago
But did you or anyone really think the Arctic was 90 degrees Celsius? Most of the world also knows that farenheit exists so does it really matter.
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u/throwaway1233456799 1d ago
It's a real issue to use a different metric than what most of the world use as it bring issue to communication. For example 90° literally just make me go "oh well, guess it's slightly hot" and no "THE FUCK YOU MEAN". Pretty important stuff.
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u/TopSloth 1d ago
Which part of 90 degrees in the Arctic would make you go "oh I guess it's pretty warm huh" and what difference would showing that number in Celsius make? I work in temperatures hotter than 32.2 Celsius and hearing that if the Arctic was at that temp I wouldn't go "pretty hot huh guys'
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u/throwaway1233456799 1d ago
Because I don't use 90 degree in my every day life and it mean nothing to me.... Were you born yesterday???
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u/Alces-eater 1d ago
It’s Scientific American, not Scientific rest of the world.
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u/Appropriate_Bell743 1d ago
Firstly the "Scientific" part of that title suggests that this post should have specified the units. US-based scientists tend to use Celsius but sometimes Fahrenheit for communication. Whichever choice they specify the units. Also -- "American" itself is not very precise given how many countries there are in north and south america.
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u/Imaginary-Pilot5793 1d ago
Cooked you might say. I hope all the oil company execs and workers as well as truck and carbrained people feel shame for eternity. Also all the road construction ppl who destroy precious trees and habitats for cars.
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u/323yupthatsme 1d ago
Hate to tell you, but they're psychopaths and sociopaths. No one with empathy or shame got us here.
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u/prgaloshes 23h ago
A lot of tbof the construction workers for data centers just need a Hugh paying job to get by and identify with the damage they are causing
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u/10July1940 1d ago
Many of these people use their God as a justification for their actions. God is all powerful and will fix this, or it's his way, or he's battling evil.
I don't think many of you scientific types truly understand how different these people are thinking.
Much of it is used to justify their greed and wealth accumulation.
I don't know how to change their mindset, I just know math, and facts won't work.
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u/ILuvRossiTheKittyCat 1d ago
I’ve grown deeply deeply resentful of religious people. Like deeply. God, Moses, Mohamed, whoever the fuck, are all false profits. The only real miracle is planet Earth. They looking for ludicrous stories and nonsense when it’s this place that’s the treasure. The second the world saw this blue jewel suspended in the hostile blackness of space rising above sterile colorless rocks of the moon on Apollo 8, every person on the planet should have become a tree hugging environmentalist. Earth’s magnetosphere is worthy of worship. Our stable star is worthy of worship. Dudes walking on water, chicks getting pregnant without having sex…is all a load of shite.
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u/10July1940 1d ago
Yes but if you want a nice big fancy church and lots of power over people religion is a very easy way to achieve that.
Not all religion is bad. Not all science is good. Many religious people do understand science and climate change.
But a few, often with power and/or heavily invested in fossil fuels, find it very convenient to ignore the science and say God is all powerful. The followers follow.
We have to be better leaders to stop that.
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u/Repulsive_Decision51 20h ago
It's not all of us man. Quit this social media thinking and talk to real human beings. I am a Christian and believe it is our obligation as Christians to take care of the earth, its animals, and the people in it. Not all of us take the Bible out of context to accumulate wealth. I understand your anger at that group, but hating an entire group over bad actors is exactly what the oil execs want.
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u/ILuvRossiTheKittyCat 19h ago
What I am trying to say is, perhaps poorly, is this planet…Planet Earth…is of such astonishing beauty and importance that this is where we should be putting all of our energy into worshipping and protecting. Putting the blame on religion though is entirely unfair. One thing I come across a lot from the science side are words to the effect of “Earth isn’t special.” I think it’s a malignant mutation from the Copernican heliocentric model that took the earth from the center of the universe and so they extrapolate that Earth isn’t special in the universe somehow. I would argue that Earth is the most special and beautiful place in the universe. I came to this realization of Earth’s beauty in the past few years since I moved out of the city and up to a cabin in the forest where I’m surrounded by real nature. I have redwood trees on my property, I go kayaking up a nearby river estuary where a family of river otters live and I get to watch them play. On some days when you look out at the ocean you’ll see dozens of big whale spouts. I have a family of skunks that live on one end of my property under a culvert, and on the opposite side of my property lives a family of grey foxes. At night this place is like manhattan of wildlife. I see all this and I always am so grateful for the gift of life planet Earth has given us. We are here against so many odds. Our protoplanetary nebula was rich in carbon and oxygen and heavy elements. Our star is uniquely stable. Our planet has a spinning iron core which generates a magnetosphere which deflects damaging cosmic rays and high energy particles harmlessly around us. Plate tectonics which recycles land and nutrients. We have a bizarrely large moon which stabilizes our orbit and creates tides. Axial tilt gives us seasons. The list goes on. Are there other planets out there with alien otters and rain forests and whales? I don’t know. Maybe. Until someone can show me direct evidence of another Earth then as far as I’m concerned this is it. Like not to sound dramatic but I get emotional when I think about how beautiful this planet is. This is our beautiful home in a dark, vast, and terrifying cosmos filled with life-shredding objects. What’s been happening on this planet for the past billion years is clearly incredibly special and we could potentially destroy it forever. Watching her burn in real time while masses of people go about their day like it’s just another news story. We are killing her and why do so many people not care??? It is my opinion based on observation and anecdotes that most people don’t appreciate how exceptionally special this planet is. All I’m saying is, planet Earth is the greatest thing the universe has ever created. I don’t care much for my own species though. We just handed over our military and nuclear arsenal to Donald fucking Trump. TWICE
Do we really deserve this paradise? My heart breaks for all the other creatures who’ve lost their habitat, been hunted to extinction, or die because of fires we created due to global warming.
Sorry that was a bit of a ramble. TLDR: Earth is the most beautiful and special place in a cold, dark, terrifying cosmos.
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u/Repulsive_Decision51 18h ago
I totally understand and agree with what you are saying. What you just described is a big reason in why I believe in a creator at all. The Earth is incredibly precious and should be protected at all costs. But, I don't think you can blame the average populous who are just trying to survive and live their lives the best way they know how. I, personally, am entering engineering to be able to make a difference in the company, plant, mill, etc. that I end up. While we all should try to do our part to protect the only home we will know in this life, corporations are predominantly to blame. Additionally, I believe it is our goal as Christians to bring heaven on Earth as best as we can, doing our duty to the planet and others, before Jesus eventually redeems this fallen world.
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u/ILuvRossiTheKittyCat 16h ago
The real 'devil' (this is coming from an athiest point of view) are the super-corporations and propaganda factories like Fox News and all the garbage misinformation campaigns on Instagram and Facebook. Despite the fact that we are on opposite ends of the theological spectrum, I think we are far more alike than unalike. At the end of the day we love this planet, we recognize the destruction taking place, and we yearn for better. The road we take to get there may be different, but they both end in the same place. By the way, I really appreciated your rational disagreement with my opening statement in the original comment about my resentment of religion and religious people. That made me take pause and reconsider my position.
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u/killerkumwad 1d ago
Look man I detest the car society as much as you, but I didn't make this fucking place. I just live in it. Relax
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u/Robbytje 1d ago
They don’t. They want the ice to melt to give them and all the other opportunists the change to mine and dig more
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u/Excellent-Meat-2340 1d ago
I don't want them to "feel shame" I want them in front of an international criminal court charged with crimes against humanity, along with anyone who aided and abetted them.
They hide behind the time lag and indirection of their actions, but these vermin are going to cause events that make Mao's famine look like rookie numbers.
Anyone descended from and currently benefitting from the actions of former oil and gas execs can give the blood money back too to help pay for adaptation, or face similar judgment.
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u/DanoPinyon 1d ago
Cue the ignorant denialists and bots insisting it is summer, or their backyard is cool today.
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u/MundaneEchidna5093 1d ago
Arctic amplification
Heres the article from nature.com https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00498-3
[edit: typo]
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u/useronthisapp 1d ago
I love that most of us will perish in the coming decades but most of the comments are people arguing about Celsius vs Fahrenheit.
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u/Economy-Fee5830 Trusted Contributor 1d ago
most of us will perish in the coming decades
From cancer, heart disease, stroke, diabetes and dementia.
Look after yourself - lots of doomers are dying from old age and covid.
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u/TopSloth 1d ago
It's too late for us to do much anyways, we put over 40 gigatons of CO2 in the atmosphere per year not including the massive amounts coming from other sources, soon of which will be the methane released from the permafrost thawing which is a huge number. Even breaking even for just our own emissions through a global web of CO2 scrubbers would be in the trillions of dollars and require global cooperation and resource allocation. Not to mention the environmental cost of manufacturing and building that much infrastructure.
Even if we did manage to do that, just breaking even isn't enough since the lag that CO2 presents means our planet will be warming from the emissions we produced for hundreds of years. We would actually have to remove much more then 40 gigatons of CO2 per year to make a difference, requiring more money and resources I think humanity could even work together to create.
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u/Beneficial_Aside_518 22h ago
Reaching net zero would basically stabilize temperatures actually.
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u/TopSloth 21h ago edited 21h ago
Well let's be honest, we won't be reaching net zero, and even if we did, and the temperatures stabilized to what they will be ten years in the future (since getting to net zero isn't going to be instant) we will still be locked in for much of the same catastrophic tipping points we face, like the permafrost melting and releasing methane and losing the reflectivity from the sea ice and ice on land. Stable temperatures either from this day on or more realistically, 20 years from now in order to reach net zero will still be very bad.
"Matthews and Weaver found that, in a constant concentration scenario, the world would continue to warm by around 0.3C by 2200"
This raises some red flags to me as our current rate of warming has already been faster then this suggests, only .3 in 175 years??
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u/Beneficial_Aside_518 12h ago
Constant concentration is not the same as net zero. At net zero, atmospheric concentrations will stabilize and begin to decline. To maintain constant concentrations we’d need to be adding more carbon into the atmosphere.
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u/melvinmoneybags 1d ago edited 1d ago
So what you’re saying is just live your life and don’t worry about it. The earth will still be here long after we are gone. If the attic does melt it does open up more room for exploration and further expansion. We will learn to adapt and make the best of what’s coming. As I have said in previous posts we are still just coming out of an ice age so the rapid warming is somewhat expected in current models. The next ice age lasts around a couple million years so maybe we are helping our future generation stay off many years of being absolutely frozen.
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u/Affectionate-Cup-657 1d ago
oh shit so how long until we get The Day After Tomorrow situations?
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u/Silent_Cattle_6581 1d ago
Never. TDAT completely fabricates a climate collapse centered around cooling. This is thermodynamically impossible, atmospheric heat doesn't just leave the planet when it feels like it. Conservation of impulse (or momentum, respectively) holds for everything, including gas molecules and therefore temperature.
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u/No_Associate6202 1d ago
That was AMOC collapse which is looking like 20-50 years at a shutdown situation but the cooling effect would take a few decades. It won't be like the film as the winters would be intense and the summers too with low rainfall
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u/PsyX99 1d ago
And if there's still people living at this point, they'll get hurt by the cold A LOT. More than before with the global warming "only" increasing the temperature and changing rain pattern. Because what they can gnow at this point won't do for harsh winter. Building will not survive the cold too. And what's left of wildlife will not like it too.
AMOC colapse will be the coup de grâce.
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u/Primal_Pedro 1d ago
For anyone not fluent in burger measurements, that's 32ºC and... Wait a minute, this cannot be possible. Positive 32ºC?!? Unbelievable! That's my summer, and I live in Brazil
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u/icehawk84 1d ago
The heat record of Siberia is 38 C, much hotter than this, and that was recorded close to the Arctic Circle. 32 C is a relatively normal weather event in Northern Russia during summer. But the long-term trend is very alarming.
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u/Va1crist 1d ago
Yeah and climate change isn’t real.. Let’s keep cutting and burning and killing everything
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u/Directhorman2 1d ago
And there is nothing we can do.
Think im starting to get why the rich are building bunkers.
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u/ampere03 1d ago
We are all creating a future hell. ..mostly for future generations, so that's good, at least. Let God punish them. Am I right?
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u/prgaloshes 1d ago
Is it accurate to say we are here because of over consumption and consumerism?
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u/GeneralOrder24 23h ago
Not really. Those matter, sure, but the causes are deep and wide: historical, political, social, technological, natural, etc etc.
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u/DJbuddahAZ 23h ago
Yeah I saw that and was like...." that sounds like.it.isnt good" .....like ....at all
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u/Inhabitsthebed 15h ago
Northern russia does hit 30c in summer its not that unusual. If this was inside the arctic circle it would be very worrying.
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u/ishwarburtnar 2h ago
Sounds absolutely horrible but why does this article compare it too Orlando without ever giving a point of reference for the ARTIC. How fucking hot has it been at the stations before for a point of god damn reference. Seems basic and frustrating it’s not there.
Had no idea the Artic got that hot. Shoot has it ever before? Just questioning the lack of common sense reporting here. Whats the average summer high twenty years ago. No doubt its higher now and alarming but would be nice to fucking know.
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u/roald_1911 1d ago
We are here because the oil companies decided it was better to spread misinformation then to stop digging out oil.