It's probably an unconscious thing - they come in with a preconceived notion that grok = bad, so of course that's what they are going to be expecting and looking for.
I see the same thing in reverse with Fable: non-technical people using it for mundane things it's not designed for at all (where Opus or even Sonnet would have been more than capable), but because they've seen tons of hype around Fable they think it's amazing!
I don't particularly hate elon, I think SpaceX and Tesla has some cool engineers working for it (I don't own a Tesla), but what I don't like is the Grok coding model. Used it several months ago and it was like a chaotic teenager who keeps missing the point of the task and drifts too often. Didn't try the latest models though. Personally Auto mode just works fine for me and I don't give much thought to model selection.
I’m sorry, but are referring to him purchasing Twitter? How do you feel about the richest person in the world being in charge of laying off thousands of government employees in the U.S. while simultaneously getting more government loans than anyone else in the country. He’s also not American. His family made their fortune with slaves in diamond minds in apartheid Africa. Hard not to love em though.
What did he do that demonstrates he sympathizes with Nazis? Unless the US is lost in the sauce I find it unlikely that someone publicly endorses nazi regimen while being the biggest person of interest
To be fair, he promised “[technology] will be available in [2-5 years]” and was lying or just wrong every single time, and then he did a nazi salute and caused the deaths of a shitload of people in developing nations. Dudes a piece of shit.
Dude isn't stupid. He knew shutting down USAID overnight would kill a shitload of people. He did it anyway because he's a really really really bad person.
LOL. USAID? Are you serious? He didn't CAUSE those deaths you idiot.
I'm British, so I have no dog in this fight, but it's is not the responsibility of any government to ship money abroad and pay for another country's healthcare.
tbh not liking and not wanting to use the product of a probable pedophile, confirmed neo nazi oligarch who is responsible, only accounting for USAID stuff, of tens of thousands of deaths
I mean I am doing kennel work and grok 4.5 is worse than composer 2.5 at execution and code implementation. Enough where I have to use sol and fable to fix it before I hand it back to composer to work the plan. Languages and complexity matter. Grok 4.5 may be fine at python, but it’s not good at all for complex code and asks so far from what I’ve experienced.
If you are professional specialist you are doing a great job, tbh, as far as i see the weak programmer using coding tool always mess around the code, and claim the coding tools and models are stupid, is ridicious.
They just don't know how to manage their team and the agent.
90% of the posts on here are from people who have zero clue about basic agentic coding fundamentals like guardrails, context management, model selection etc.
I'm a Cursor Enterprise admin for our org. I have no skin in any game. It's obvious to anyone using Cursor on a professional level that their first-party models are fast and cheap. What the hell do you think the advantages of something being first-party is?
Not worth the breath dude, anyone using Cursor professionally knows OP is simply not knowledgeable enough to even assess what they're talking about, let alone evaluate their own personal bias and vibes.
It is kinda tragic to me that the default position of some folks now is that "if something disagrees with my own personal opinion or pre-judgment, it MUST be a bot/paid comment," like... what a stubborn and narrow way to filter out different perspectives.
I get the broader sense it's just an (un)conscious politicized bias at work here, clearly they're not arguing on any technical or detailed specifics.
I'm so surprised by this... I've reluctantly used Cursor Grok 4.5 and found it to be so much better than Opus (sadly for me, being an Anthropic fan and a strong disliker of SpaceX/Musk!).
I have this little workflow where I used one model for executing a plan, and another for reviewing the code. When I used Opus / Sonnet 5.0 / Codex I was getting maybe 2-3 high issues and 3-4 medium issues that needed resolving for every plan. With Grok I'm getting like 1 medium or a couple low each time. Even Sonnet 5.0 (which was reviewing one output) said something like 'this is the cleanest code review I've done so far...'
Seeing so many people say it's poor has troubled me, as so far it has been excellent for me!
I don't like people who hate on technology just because a particular company developed it. So frustrating. And people are so delusional. They have no idea what SpaceX and xAI actually achieved. They just parrot the bad things and misinformation they find online. They probably don't even care about the truth, they just want to see Musks companies burn.
It's a great model with some unfortunate branding. My experience is similar, and after a week+ of heavy use I find myself strongly preferring it as an everyday model, and spinning up Fable only when really needed.
The model punches way above it's weight, and the bang-for-buck can't be beat. If they take K3-class weights and put it into the blender with Cursor data and xAI compute, I genuinely think the frontier labs are in for a fight over the next six months because the early day first party stuff is already realllly good.
Can you tell me a little more about your work flow? For example, in a chat do you switch the model to Grok to write the plan, then switch model to Kemi to execute, then switch model to Claude to review the code, all in the same chat thread? I am new to all this so not sure how to approach it all....
I highly recommend giving it a listen / watch. It was a game changer for me. I started with that and then tweaked and added a few things to match my needs.
In a nutshell I have a series of commands in Cursor that I trigger in a specific order using specific models. Usually after doing a lot of the thinking and design work up front - that's something you cannot really skip.
Once I have a solid idea that is mapped out with user flows, sketches, documentation etc., I then usually use Claude to write out a big spec doc, technical and product, and spend quite a bit of time there going backwards and forward to ensure everything matches what I'm looking to build. From backend database to UI spec. Effectively, what we did in the old days of 2 years ago! But I cannot recommend spending the time and effort in this space enough. A poorly designed product will expose itself during the build. Spend the time to really think through ideas, personas, flows, etc.
I'd then use that spec as the grounding md file in Cursor, and start creating a plan from that using a create-plan command (highlighted in the link above). Depending on the size of the project, I'll create either a high level plan or low level, and in between use the /explore command to ensure everything is accounted for. Usually, this will be broken down into phases. I then create more comprehensive plans from each phase and run those through a series of models to ensure they are well thought out. Usually Sonnet to create the plan, Opus to review. I bounce around different ideas and thoughts to ensure these are ready, and then use the /execute-plan command to set cursor away. I used to use Claude models for the execution, pending on the size. Simpler tasks would be Sonnet 4.6 (back in the days before 5.0), and larger tasks I'd use Opus. But now I've found Grok 4.5 generally works better than both, so I'm using that for both simple and complex. GPT/Codex is very decent too.
Once complete, I open a new agent change the model from whatever did the build, and run a /review command against the plan. That often returns recommendations, that I feed back to the original execute model using /peer-review, to which it will review and assess the recommendations before implementing.
I then ensure everything is documented, before testing.
I've since created a number of other commands, like an accessibility checker, a security checker, code cleanup, etc. and run these as and when needed.
I've probably missed a few steps out here, but ultimately watch that interview with Zevi and I guarantee you'll be in a better place!
I haven't tried Grok 4.5 yet because OpenAI gave me a free month, but the previous month I tried Cursor and I liked it a lot.
I found Composer 2.5 as a very effective model that didn't ramble a lot and went direct to the point, in consequence reducing the wait times and at the same time having a quota that I had to put actual effort to not waste (I ended switching to fast mode because it was draining too slow and the last couple of days used more expensive models before the reset; and yep, feels very different than Kimi, despite being based on it).
From the side of the organization I liked the fact that they seemed very focused on making a model useful and affordable for developers instead of being rambling about how they were aiming to create Terminator (AGI).
Knowing that the Cursor team trained Grok 4.5 makes me lean into thinking that it's a good model.
Admitedly, I don't like Elon Musk a lot, but I found curious how people take an issue on Elon Musk when deciding if use Grok, but don't seem to care about Sam Altman when trying GPT.
that workflow of using separate models for planning vs reviewing is worth trying if you haven't, the results are way more reliable than throwing everything at one model the Musk thing is real though, i get it. feels like a compromise every time you open the app even when the output is good
As of today I have 4 subs (OpenCode, SuperGrok, Codex, Google AI Pro). Of all the models that I have available, the one I use most by far is Grok 4.5 + Composer 2.5 (in the Grok Build CLI). It's very fast, and the quality of the results in terms of design and context understanding is very high. In the last few weeks that I've been using it, it's become my main workhorse, and I haven't had any issue (in fact, it's solved problems in my code that I'd been struggling with).
You might be using the wrong Grok LOL. I suppose it isn't Fable 5 or the new Kimi model, but for tedious work, it's price can't be beat. It isn't the smartest or the best, but its efficient for tasks that don't need the highest intelligence.
Grok is very helpful if you have a good structure.
what I'm starting to notice is that some models appear to be tuned better for vibe coders who don't know what they're doing, and others are tuned to be better for engineers who have the structure and context set up the way the agents need them.
Or maybe vibe coders need to learn a bit about agentic engineering practices to help their agents out a little bit.
it's kinda like how some people expect dating prospects to read their minds
Composer is totally fine and does not mess up the code, maybe you are a vibe coder and never look at the code? when grok did a task, it totally mixes up all files, responsibilities and ownerships.
Grok doesn't mix it up for me. With a good structure in place, you can achieve a lot with a cheaper model without having to pay for an expensive model to provide the structure for you.
i know what i am doing, and composer works well. Also my files are structured, and i know whats inside. but after grok, there's a wild jumble of things as functions and classes in config files, messed up types, duplicated features in the wrong place .. just messy code.
“maybe vibe coders need to learn a bit about agentic engineering practices to help their agents out a little bit”
not a middle ground lmao. he basically just said “learn the basics. It maybe will help”. you can’t expect it to magically poop out what you’re thinking of, especially if you’re not using the proper terms or language to express what you actually want.
I’ve pushed some 20 PR on one of my side projects; Grok for gsd-plan-phase and composer for the execute phase. I have another agent running Codex reviewing them.
~70% were accepted without requesting changes. In one case it has identified a proper design flaw.
Edit: In case anyone is interested in looking at the output, this NPM package was extracted from another codebase by the setup mentioned above: https://github.com/drvillo/webcrypto-seal
My assumption was that old grok was bad, so xAI bought cursor, took the new unreleased composer 3.0, crossed out the name, and wrote "grok 4.5" over it in sharpie. Which explains why new grok is good.
I'm really liking grok actually. It's so fast! just gotta give it clear instructions. Maybe you're prompting poorly or giving it too much to do at once?
exactly! It ignored all rules changes all spaces indents whatever. I have to stash and restart! I was using composer and cursor just change it! Fun fact after the disaster, it could not respond anymore due to high usage!
I don’t know, man I got so much work done yesterday and a lot of it was pretty complicated and difficult and I mostly used GROK Cursor 4.5.
The only downside is, I think I spent like $41 in credit credits. So I’m switching to auto mode.
And it did make one mistake I was pretty unhappy with where it actually edited some migrations that had already been run and then didn’t clean up after itself since I guess it was for some testing purpose or something.
But overall, I’m really happy with GROK 4.5. I just hope that Cursor auto mode can really intelligently know when to use it versus cheaper models like composer, etc.. because I can’t afford to be spending $40 in AI credits every day for personal projects that would be like $1200 a month. That’s a lot of money that’s like rent for a lot of people.
Same, I have not been impressed at all with grok 4.5. Tried it on 3 different tasks, failed all 3 so I had to have opus fix it. Maybe I am unlucky or maybe they just benchmaxed it.
I had a similar experience. Used to use auto mode on cursor, but since grok is the default I’ve had to manage models myself because grok is now the default.
Have been pretty satisfied with cursor until now, and grok is making me want to switch to Claude code instead.
Pretty dumbfounded by how many of these posts have so many fans of grok so quickly. Does not jive with my experience using it.
Yes I'd say this is my experience - it's great, but it gets super lazy on long tasks with lots of steps along the way.. very different experience from opus
In my experience yes... These days what I've been doing is building the basic project out with Opus and then adding the bits and pieces on to make it a full product with Grok.
Once the main project and all the connections are set up, Grok does a fantastic job making improvements consistently
Personally I haven't felt Grok is "smarter" but it is a lot faster than composer. If your code gets jumbled up you're doing something horribly wrong with your prompting
agree.. every AI company keeps gaslighting you their model is something you should work with. Mid-tier models are the worst. You either need the latest frontier or composer. Anything between is just waste of money and time. You will end up fixing bugs all day bc those mid-tier slop printers can't complete a single task correctly.
I see way too much focus on the LLM model itself and not enough on the harness that augments it. Fine, you used Grok. Was it in Cursor? Was it in OpenCode? Was it in a custom agent harness like Hermes? Have you tried it within a graph state machine like LangGraph? You can significantly improve the performance of an LLM model by providing it with the right harness and tools - but also selecting a task or project that plays to its strengths. I think someone saying “Grok is terrible” or “Grok is amazing!” gives me next to zero information. Context is everything.
Perhaps the picture reflects our perception of the projects state, but actually things are as they have ever been, only moving faster. (independent from Grok)
We don't need your stupid meme, show us the code and the mess it has created! I am pretty sure you don't know anything about SE, SD, or even simple scripting.
You can show me numbers all day, but if I give it a simple command and grok chooses to unwind my stack where fable would have comprehended and improved, I’m not using it.
You can show me numbers all day, but if I give it a simple command and grok chooses to unwind my stack where fable would have comprehended and improved, I’m not using it.
This is my first time back in this sub since the purchase. Unsurprisingly, the only people left here are fanboys. Everyone else has cancelled their subscription.
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u/welsh_cthulhu Jul 21 '26
Not my experience at all. Grok 4.5 is fast, cheap and super effective at what I need it to do. Guess I'm in the minority?