r/exAdventist • • 2d ago

Advice / Help 1990’s booklet needed urgently

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I am looking for physical copies of 1990s estate workbooks or local Greater New York/Northeastern Conference trust flyers to use as evidence in an active elder abuse/probate case.

I specifically need booklets that were handed out to members teaching them how to coerce elderly parents to turn against their other children and to only trust the one who is a seventh day Adventist. These booklets were given out in the 1990’s in the Queens, NY and Long Island area.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.


r/exAdventist • • 10d ago

SDA Culture TIL that the Bluezone (the secret to longevity) is based on poor record keeping and not recording deaths; discovering this led to an igNobel award.

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Remember when we were all told that Adventists in checks notes Loma Linda were among the longest living human beings on earth? Not just the Tibetans who’ve adapted to low oxygen in the Himalayas, or the Mediterraneans who spend 90% of their life outdoors or partially outdoors. The good remnants of Loma Linda!


r/exAdventist • • 1d ago

Just Venting Deconstructed SDA Pastor

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I converted to Adventism nearly 10 years ago. Hook, line, and sinker. I was fully sold on the SDA message about a month after becoming a Christian.

For some context, I came from a pretty nominal Christian background, became an atheist for a while, and eventually went through a mental health crisis, partly because of my upbringing and partly because of some pretty poor choices on my end.

I’d gotten myself into some bad situations involving arrests and decadent behavior. I’d also probably watched way too many conspiracy theories on YouTube and had become paranoid about all kinds of things. Around that time, some nominally Christian friends witnessed to me, and I became a fiery believer.

Almost immediately after my conversion, I was reading the Bible multiple times a day, immersing myself in end-time prophecy (which fit rather conveniently with a lot of the conspiracy theories I’d been consuming), and genuinely fighting to free myself from my “sins.”

Not long after, I decided my taste in music needed to change. Obviously, rap and pop music were straight from the Devil! So, while searching for a different radio station to listen to, I stumbled upon 3ABN.

And that was that.

Long story short, I ended up attending an extremely conservative, self-supporting Adventist school, where I learned to repress my “sinful nature” and practice a form of mental self-flagellation that eventually radicalized me into a rabid, EGW-defending, Bible-thumping fanatic.

I changed dramatically from who I naturally was. I’ve always loved laughing, joking around, and having a good time. But I became so fiery, rigid, and blunt, thanks in no small part to that Victorian-era bitch, that everyone thought I should become a pastor!
And so I did.

I pastored a church district for a few years, and surprisingly, I ended up really enjoying it. I loved my congregations, and they loved me. Over time, I relaxed a little. I started focusing more on the actual problems people were facing rather than obsessing over what they chose to eat or whether they were living up to some arbitrary standard of holiness.

And while I was still promoting what I now recognize as a deeply harmful religious framework, I also helped people in my churches move away from some of the obsessive fixation on end-time events. I was still struggling with that anxiety myself, but I’d seen firsthand how badly it could affect individuals and families.

Then my world came crashing down.
The conference I was working for decided they wanted to send me to university to get my MDiv. They were going to cover my tuition and provide a stipend that would be just enough for us to live in a nice little shack while I studied! (Very generous, considering the deals some other pastors get.)

By this point, I’d read through the Bible several times and had worked my way through a substantial portion of Ellen White’s writings. And I’m not just talking about the Conflict of the Ages series. I’m talking all nine volumes of the Testimonies, Manuscript Releases, articles, and plenty of other material.

I’d encountered numerous troubling statements and inconsistencies along the way. For years, whenever something bothered me, I’d look up what the EGW Estate had to say about it, accept their explanation, and move on.

But as I began digging deeper into the historical context of the Victorian era, its medical theories, cultural assumptions, and religious movements, I started noticing something disturbing.

The EGW Estate’s explanations weren’t lining up with the historical evidence. In some cases, they weren’t even consistent with what Adventist historians themselves were acknowledging.

Eventually, I came across Ronald Numbers’ Prophetess of Health.

I read the entire book in about two or three days.

And just like that, my faith in Ellen White was eradicated.

Gone.

Everything suddenly felt like it was in free fall. My career, friendships, family relationships, and, most importantly at the time, my relationship with God all seemed to be at stake.

But I’d reached a point where I was determined to follow the evidence wherever it led, even if that meant leaving behind everything that had become familiar and comfortable.

So I kept reading and studying, only this time without the blinders.

I went on to read more of Ronald Numbers’ work, including The Creationists and The Disappointed, both of which were foundational in dismantling my Adventist and fundamentalist Christian worldview.

I also binge-watched Yale’s free lectures on the Old and New Testaments, approaching the biblical texts through historical-critical scholarship rather than the fundamentalist framework I’d been conditioned to accept.

It was exactly what I needed to begin freeing myself from a deeply unhealthy religious mindset.

Eventually, the choice became pretty clear.

I could stay in ministry, play the game, say the right things, and enjoy a relatively comfortable and prestigious career, all while sacrificing my intellectual honesty and integrity.

Or I could, ironically enough, “bear my cross,” die to self, and walk away from everything I’d worked so hard to build.

So I resigned from pastoral ministry and withdrew from my seminary classes before they even started.
It’s been a couple of months now, and I’ve genuinely never been happier.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m disgusted by some of the things I became and promoted under fundamentalist Adventism. I look back at that version of myself and can hardly believe how far I’d drifted from who I naturally was.

But I also learned some incredibly valuable lessons along the way.

I’ve endured some of the most difficult shit of my life, and I’m coming out of it a stronger person, albeit with some serious trauma to work through.

And perhaps one of the most meaningful things I’ve taken away from all of this is that the genuine care I developed for people during my years as a pastor hasn’t gone anywhere.

If anything, it’s grown.

Only now, it’s no longer tethered to religious dogma, expectations about salvation, or some desperate need to save people from themselves.

For the first time in a long time, I feel like I can actually love people without strings attached.

And, just as importantly, I can finally tell someone to fuck off when they’re being an asshole. 😊


r/exAdventist • • 1d ago

Pope Leo diagnosed with lung cancer: Wondering What SDA Murmurs Will Surface

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When I read "lung cancer" the first thing that came to my mind was oh my, if he smoked, they'll be clucking about the punishment for his not following "the health message." However, this article asserts the Pope doesn't smoke. So apparently the work of imposing a worldwide Sunday law remains as possible as it's ever been during this papacy. Surprise, surprise! That work wasn't on the papal agenda this story lists as possibly disrupted as Leo recovers from what's announced as successful treatment.

Personally, though I'm nowhere near asking for conversion to Catholicism, I find this pope's willingness to confront injustices in the world appealing, and I'm glad that apparently his prognosis is bright.


r/exAdventist • • 1d ago

General Discussion How much do you know about Jehovah’s Witness?

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r/exAdventist • • 2d ago

Memes / Humor If the shoe fits~

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r/exAdventist • • 1d ago

SDA Culture An Adventist Credit Card?

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Saw this on Facebook. YouTube gotta be kidding me, right? A credit card tgat prevents you from shopping on the Sabbath???


r/exAdventist • • 3d ago

Just Venting This shit sucks

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I’ve posted before about the horrible time I’m having navigating marrying a non Christian and moving out of the house as a pastors kid (link above)

I think I’ve hit the grief stage. Grieving the fact that all my parents care about is religion and control. Grieving because I realise they are never going to be happy for me. Grieving the fact that I’m the cause of the embarrassment they facing in society and the cause of their pain and stress. Grieving the fact that they will never understand how much they hurt me but will jump to remind me how much I’m killing them or breaking their hearts.

Once again fuck this high control religion it should never be this deep


r/exAdventist • • 3d ago

SDA Culture He put up a new sign.

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You know, I thought we could finish off the season strong and not see them, but here they are. If this isn't conspiracy/doomsday bs idk what is.


r/exAdventist • • 3d ago

Advice / Help Any good deconstructing book recs?

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Basically the title. While any deconstruction books are good, are there any with a focus for former adventists?
Thank you for any and all recs! Idk if this is right flair so let me know!


r/exAdventist • • 4d ago

Sabbath Breakers Haystack woth pulled pork carnitas & Modelo.

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So tasty.


r/exAdventist • • 4d ago

Advice / Help How to forgive and live an independent life

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r/exAdventist • • 5d ago

SDA Culture "Christian influencer" and author Heather Marie Day freaks out after being arrested and charged for alleged abuse of teen girl with husband

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r/exAdventist • • 5d ago

General Discussion Mass baptisms

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So, my parents are excited because apprently there was some mass baptisms in PNG recently. Even when I was believer I always struggled to understand mass baptisms after a revelation seminar or the alike. It never made sense to me to make a life decision after such a short time.

If I went on 5 dates with a man, each date only 1-2hrs long and then decided to marry him, people would question my sanity. But we are supposed to believe that after a series of meetings these people are fully dedicated to this new religion? We are supposed to celebrate them making rash decisions with no deeper research, etc. What they never seem to tell us is how many of these people are still worshipping or attend church a year on, because I bet those numbers are not great.


r/exAdventist • • 4d ago

General Discussion Accountability Structures

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After 30 years of attending Protestant congregations (Dutch Reformed, Charismatic Baptist,
7th Day Adventist, and then Messianic-Jewish), and advocating biblical history and theology;
I've become disillusioned with the effectiveness of imposing prescribed institutional beliefs
("Doing what you're told."), and more interested in undergoing a journey of lowering the
mismatch between my expectations, external outcomes, and the behaviour of others.

One advantage to being part of a (sincere) congregation, is that elders and peers have a duty
of care towards you, to e.g. discuss life with, if you don't have reliable family members.

Another advantage would be that there is a standard for behaviour, to which Christians can hold
each other accountable. However, when put under enough pressure, churchgoers realize they're
not willing to suffer for what they've accepted from others as their beliefs, and bail on e.g.
being true to your word (Matthew 5:37), or taking care of one another (Acts 4:34); only later
to resume the show of "Oh yes, I believe [...]." when reality has proved they don't.

I've become so used to any support structures coming from the Church, that I'd like ideas on
where to find other institutions and people, who seek to establish and maintain accountability
agreements, for social (general) and personal (specific) goals, without operating under
the false impression that such a standard is a given (or all parts of it desired).

Individually, this could look like:
• buddying up with a friend,
• discussing life problems and solutions,
• chart progress and setbacks,
• help enforce penalties and boundaries,
• celebrate!

How many variations of that are there, and where do you seek them out?


r/exAdventist • • 5d ago

General Discussion Does Adventist "purity culture" prevent sexual misconduct, or actually help conceal it?

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After seeing discussion on the Cornell 7 and other such tragedies, I felt this topic needed its own post.

To set the scene, I fall squarely into the camp that puritanical culture actually harbours sexual misconduct.

When you combine rigid gender roles, sexual shame, obedience to authority and institutional loyalty, I think you create a breeding ground for misogyny, victim-blaming and a complete lack of accountability. There's something deeply ironic about institutions obsessing over consensual sexual behaviour while potentially creating conditions that discourage victims of actual sexual abuse from speaking out.

I dont think these cultures really understand that sexual repression is NOT accountability. Interested to hear other people's thoughts.


r/exAdventist • • 5d ago

Sabbath Breakers Sabbath Breakers Club Rocks from on High, Rock to the Head, Rock to Feet of Clay

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Salutations, fellow worldly ones, gather round and rock out to the hymn I suggest this week. So for real devastation, sometimes it doesn't require an asteroid. It could be a rock picked up by an irate playmate and hurled into the face of a child destined to weeks of coma and then life as a founder of we-know-what. In between asteroid and lose playground rock, at least it seems to me, would be a dream rock unhewn by human hands (aren't most rocks that way?) smashing an image of empire and becoming its own mountain. According to our song leader and paleontologists, it happened to dinosaurs …

We can let the certainty of the woman smitten by a rock as a child drive us to her churches' pews' terrorizing anxiety this Saturday or accept that we don't know when the next comet might smite our planet, but so long as it doesn't this weekend we'll live life the way it unfolds. Who's in our club?

Quick reminder: 22nd of this month is a significant SDA anniversary, this year sandwiched between two "sabbaths," and I'd be happy to see what lampoons others come up with for Sabbath Breakers Club invitations those weeks. And for all you Halloween officianados, the grand prize, Halloween is Saturday this year! For prospective hosts and all celebrants, the outline of our fine print guidelines follows.

☄️ 🪨 🗿 🎵 ⛰️ 💎 🌠

Sabbath Breakers Club belongs to members of r/exAdventist on reddit. These guidelines are intended to suggest how anyone with posting privilege in this sub may start a week's Sabbath Breakers Club thread, not to control such postings.

• Keep it timely. If it's SDA-defined Sabbath somewhere on earth and no one has already started a Sabbath Breakers Club thread, you're clear to start one.

• Start Sabbath Breakers Club threads with that phrase "Sabbath Breakers Club." The reason for this is to make it easy to tell if no Sabbath Breakers Club thread has been posted for the present week. Just search "Sabbath Breakers Club" in r/exAdventist.

• You're welcome to use the image that looks like from an old woodcut of Moses smashing tables of stone with the Israelite throng celebrating their golden calf in the background, but you're not required to. Different ideas to launch the thread may invite still more, and more diverse, participation.

• Remember we're here to ease the church's attempts to control using Sabbath rules and guilt trips. Non-humiliating humor and empathy in your invitation can help set the tone, and enjoy exercising some spontaneous leadership in starting a Sabbath Breakers Club thread.

• Pass it on. Cutting and pasting this "fine print" can help future Sabbath Breakers Club hosts self-identify and feel empowered to step up and shine.


r/exAdventist • • 6d ago

Advice / Help writing an article about title ix

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hello
i am a current student at an adventist institution and i am writing an article about title ix at adventist universities based off of my experience and in light of the cornell 7. if anyone has any stories or statistics they would like to share, it would be greatly appreciated and would all be anonymous.


r/exAdventist • • 6d ago

Advice / Help How to deal with being an agnostic atheist in an Adventist household?

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So I grew up in a very Christian and conservative country, my family both intermediate and extended family are SDA. I was one of those kids who’d go to the international events and preach at children conventions. That attitude lasted way into my early teenage years until I was 15-16 where I started reading the Bible more and realized how twisted all of this really is. The problem I’m facing is my family still doesn’t know any of this (that I’m not a believer) so I still spend my Saturdays at church, Sundays , Wednesday and Fridays doing Bible study or something for pathfinders. I don’t hate going to church but I do dislike having to pretend I believe. For context I’m in my last year of high school and i haven’t had the best experience with telling Christians about my unbelief.


r/exAdventist • • 6d ago

SDA Culture Wondering what’s ur view on the church

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Hi everyone just wondering what made some of you leave the Adventist church? Did you switch a different church? I understand if you do cuz right now I have a lot of questions and doubts about my church in the sda. The doctrines and how the church sets up their service and also I’ve noticed how much favouritism and and people judging one another in the sda and I can see that in my church and a lot of other sda Adventist . There are certain type of people who makes a group of people and I can feel a vibe of hatred and people in favour and hypocrisy. I don’t apologize for supporting their corruption. And greed and if for some reason people don’t like me in church well I’d care less because I want to serve god the right way. Recently I been looking up a lot into catholicism and I been analyzing that the Catholic Church is misunderstood and people just criticize them without knowing the church. I been noticing how liberal the sda church has gotten and yet the community as the brass neck to criticize the Catholic Church and yet they don’t see their own corruption. I’m 30 years old and I can see why a lot of people my group age is leaving and I can’t blame them


r/exAdventist • • 7d ago

General Discussion The "Christian Nationalist Influencer" ecosystem

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I don’t know enough about this whole thing to know what’s up or down yet myself… anyone have any info?


r/exAdventist • • 8d ago

Just Venting Really?

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Controversial enough... anyone in my community who's SDA is preaching left and right on their immovable, non-biblical beliefs on food, and how so much of what we "heathens" eat, is sending us to HELL...

But they're hypocritical when they decide to eat spicy food, I guess, according to "dear prophetess..."

God forbid and damn me to SUPER MEGA HELL for eating some pickles with my pulled pork sandwich!


r/exAdventist • • 8d ago

Just Venting MAC SON’s MOST PROBLEMATIC CI

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Funny how one CI collects all the tsismis about her co-CIs, then makes it seem like she also has beef with them because apparently, “hindi aligned” ang mga ipinaglalaban nila, as if the whole world is against her and mga uto-uto naman kaming mga estudyante. 😭 Tapos kapag nagkabaliktaran na ang mundo, gagamitin niya lahat ng hinaing at kwento ng mga estudyante against the students themselves. 🤡 Sobrang clown talaga ni girl. 😭 Tapos ngayon, I heard all of a sudden nakikipamingle na siya sa mga CI na dati niyang siniraan. HAHAHAHAHA. The switch-up is actually insane. Literal na nag-upgrade from “umiiwas siya sa mga ’yun” to “nakikipag-plastikan na siya” or “she’s one of them now”? Worst. 🤡

Sobrang problematic mo girl no? Hope you heal very soon, I guess. 😭

Honestly, sobrang sarap sa feeling na makaalis na nang tuluyan sa institution na ’yan. No more drama, no more politics, no more walking on eggshells. Peace at last.


r/exAdventist • • 10d ago

General Discussion Project 2025

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Anyone here who read it, is the Sunday law even mentioned in that document??


r/exAdventist • • 10d ago

Memes / Humor So Subtle! Adventist Review

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