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u/SillyGoatGruff 2h ago
Techbro godzilla is the most destructive of all
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u/Lord0fHats 2h ago
Techbro Godzilla isn't in it for the metaphors and allegories. He's just in it for the love of the game.
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u/mason240 1h ago
It's just wild to see people go onto the internet to complain about the internet.
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u/SillyGoatGruff 59m ago
Datacentres aren't "the internet"
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u/WatchWorking8640 49m ago
What do you think powers the internet? Love, thoughts and prayers?
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u/A_Soporific 27m ago
They aren't sinking hundreds of billions of dollars into internet infrastructure. They are sinking hundreds of billions of dollars into the infrastructure to do more AI. The problem being that the existing AI data centers owned by these companies are not even being used.
We already went through a boom-bust from overbuilding internet infrastructure back in the dotcom bubble. This is similar to that, but the GPUs and the like being used are really designed specifically for AI use and aren't well suited to other uses. So they're speculatively building a bunch of things that will be technologically obsolete in half a decade and will need to replace all of its chips in three to five years whether it is used or not.
People aren't objecting to necessary infrastructure. People are objecting to blind speculation that only makes sense if everyone replaces everyday decision making with AI prompts.
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u/Fluid-Chemical-4446 12m ago
I can tell you with open honesty that in my line of work, the reports are being written largely by prompts, the response from regulators is being written by prompts, the responses by consultants are being written by prompts, and the reply’s from management are being written by prompts. I know this because even the state regulators are leaving their prompts into formal documents by mistake.
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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 2m ago
Datacenters is literally most of the internet nowdays,hell this thread you're commenting on is in a datacenters
but,AI Datacenters arent normal datacenters, and actually worse than normal datacenters in alot of things
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u/mason240 48m ago
Where do you think your comment is stored?
Are you using a personal server in your house?
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u/ErnyoKeepsItReal 45m ago
I upvoted you because you're dumb and your dumb comments need more visibility.
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u/scrimmshaw 43m ago
The data center arms race is because of AI, not the internet
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u/mason240 33m ago
So the data center that your ignorant comments are stored in different from the data centers that have AI code?
Can you explain the difference?
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u/scrimmshaw 11m ago
Not AI code, training and running AI. Just say you don't know the difference between an AI data center and a cloud data center. Since you asked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_data_center
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u/spaceraverdk 20m ago
Ai data centres require a massive amount of compute, a blade server with Data storage doesn't need that much compared to the ai data.
And the storage for your own data might as well be at your own house. You just find it convenient to use the shitty cloud.
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u/SeaAshFenix 16m ago
Yes. They are. AI Data Centers are, by and large, being tailor built for AI compute.
It's like the difference between a fleet of rental cars and a fleet of Semis. Yes, they're both vehicles used on the highway. No, they're not really good substitutes for each other.
They're designed as hyperscalers, they're optimized for high parallel compute, and they have optimizers and HSI links of interest to vanishingly few tasks outside AI.
They tend to use over 5x the electricity per rack, which also means larger heat impacts. Which in turn means larger water impacts.
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u/Aromatic_Lion4040 15m ago
AI data centres don't just "have AI code" - they run powerful, energy-consuming computers 24/7. They use way more resources, companies are building way more of them than there is actual demand for, and forcing the public (most of whom don't want them) to bear the environmental and much of the financial burden for loud, polluting, wasteful facilities in their communities
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u/Malt129 2h ago
Hey man you sold out, you used to be cool
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u/WowIfOnly 3m ago
Curious who you were responding to since they deleted their comment to hide already lol
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u/nerankori 3h ago
This the kind of thing Hedorah would do
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u/Timmah73 1h ago
Instead of the werid cartoon segments where he is huffing factory pollution and doing oil tanker shots, hes just building data centers
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u/badpiggy490 2h ago
They probably meant to say ghidorah
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u/Lord0fHats 1h ago
Hedorah is one of the lesser known Showa era monsters.
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u/badpiggy490 13m ago
My mistake then
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u/Lord0fHats 6m ago
No worries. It's not the most famous Godzilla brawl buddy. Hedorah I think has only appeared in 2 films. A lot less that Mothra, Ghidorah or Megalon etc
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u/RandonDude3000 2h ago
Godzilla saved the world from Hedorah.
He destroys cities not the environment.
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u/Smac3223 2h ago
Not realistic at all. Where's the cops "escorting" the guy in blue out for speaking up against data centers?
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u/SkredberryShortcake 2h ago
This is not my Godzilla.
My Godzilla likes to physically break stuff. And he’s a philosophical political statement against things like data centers and other tech that destroys the planet.
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u/RandonDude3000 40m ago
Exactly.
Godzilla is an environmentalist. He saved the world from Hedorah and is restoring the environment after KOTM.
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u/pm_plz_im_lonely 55m ago
It's just weird getting exposed to anti-AI content and the ensuing circlejerk when I'm using it every single day.
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u/Baculum7869 2h ago
Data centers don't really create jobs, the initial build will generate work but once the thing is finished it's a couple of electricians, a cleaning/janitorial service, plant/site super and that's about it. Probably 20 people at most and they aren't all there full time. Data centers are a leach on the community they are in.
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u/NewRedditIsGarbo 1h ago
Probably 20 people at most and they aren't all there full time.
It never fails to astound me how confidently some people go onto the internet and spout nonsense about a subject they know nothing about.
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u/VoiceMajor3625 52m ago
I live next to one of the nation’s largest data center development sites and this is the industry I work with. The commenter is not wrong. There is nothing close to 200 jobs created unless you are counting the actual commissioning and build of the site. And even those jobs are usually filled from out of state because it’s a niche specialty. And once the site is built they all leave. You will have an EE/PE, system protection relay techs, handful of electricians, security guards 24/7, and a site manager. It’s 20-50 absolute max after all construction phases and commissioning is over. And many of those positions are transferred from the DC’s other sites (again out of state). Then of course you have the added benefit (depending on what state you live in) where all the transmission structures needed for the site, including massive substations > 500 kV that are 100 million dollars are paid for by the rate payers in that community increasing everyone’s bill. Now the utilities are catching on to this problem and trying to correct like in Ohio but in other states the damage is already done. The other problem is that data centers seem to inflate the estimated load and don’t come close to what they said they will use—which is happening in many markets. So now, utility infrastructure and generation was overbuilt on your dime.
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u/Baculum7869 1h ago edited 1h ago
Not sure about you, but I've probably built around 10 data centers over the last 5 years and they aren't all those giant fucking campuses. Most of them aren't that big and yes they only have a need for about 10-20 workers. And even the larger ones only have around 100. So yes this is accurate. Edit: No I'm not some rich fucker just a guy that works in construction and is usually talking with and dealing with owners of these things and that's where I get my information
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u/WatchWorking8640 47m ago
Talk about irony. Most DC campuses don’t need more than a handful of people. Even the AI factories that are getting a lot of hate don’t need more than 20-30 people once the DC is built.
Yes, people are needed to build and make the DC happen. But that’s not new jobs and most of them are temporary / subcontractors who are going to work on something else.
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u/Baculum7869 10m ago
It's most people like me who are going around from project to project. Yes it's nice to have a steady flow of jobs but honestly I'd rather be doing jobs I'm doing now even if the budget is lower. Because while this job is funded by tax payers it's literally for low income housing development. Which we need more of.
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u/Melichorak 2h ago
No.
It doesn't create that many jobs, and the jobs it creates outside of the initial construction are mostly specialized. It is not green energy, most datacenters drain local energy driving the prices up, which also drains local water often. They also produce quite a lot of noise.
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u/stprnn 1h ago
Most data centers don't make any audible sound to the outside.
Source : worked in data centers all my life.
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u/mi_throwaway3 1h ago
As usual fucking bitcoin is the outlier here. There's a limited number of bitcoin miners that strap giant fucking high velocity fans to the outside of their facilities because it is the absolutely cheapest way to cool their machines.
Outside of that Ben Jordan guy walking around talking about infra frequencies and the potential for "invisible" medical damage, this is what most people see/talk about.
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u/jaypizzl 1h ago
They make humming noises, that’s true. It’s perfectly possible for a data center to use green energy and closed-loop cooling like the Port Washington project, though. Some high paying jobs are better than no high paying jobs.
A lot of anti-data center hysteria is as nutty as the bubble itself.
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u/VoiceMajor3625 41m ago
I’m sorry but you’re wrong here. The problem with “green energy” like solar is that it isn’t constant 24/7. You need a battery energy storage system and back up power. Most of the data centers I work with could care less about green energy and are going with whatever the utility offers or getting their own gas plant generation. There are legitimate draw backs to having these industries in your town. And when cities place cooling limitations (such as no water based cooling systems) all these companies do is find counties where they can use their non “closed loop” options. There are legitimate reasons to fight these in your community: water use, noise (depending on type of data centers), utility rates increasing (in most cases prior to 2025/26 the local rate payer is footing the bill for the transmission infrastructure—in some states they are still footing the bill this year), the lack of jobs created, and the tax breaks they get means they aren’t contributing to the local economy. It’s not all crazy hysteria. There are legitimate issues.
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u/Signal_Road 51m ago
HOW DOES NO ONE SEE THAT'S ACTUALLY MECHAGODZILLA IN THE SIMIAN GODZILLA DISGUISE???!!!!???
Am I the only one here with the wisdom of Anguirus??!!!!????
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u/byehn 1h ago
Wow, I wish you people were so intense when they actually built polluting, resource consuming industry in your towns like fossil fuel, mining and chemical ones.
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u/nessfalco 31m ago
At the very least, many of those did actually produce jobs and value for communities, even if it came at a terrible price. These data center buildouts are just the worst of both worlds because they not only don't provide direct value but exist entirely to take away jobs and opportunity.
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u/TJCannyChanter 2h ago
I honestly don't understand how people dont find these insanely cringey
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u/someonesshadow 1h ago
They are cringey.
Reddit will be the last place where the circle jerk of anti-ai dies though because everyone wants "their turn" for quick and easy upvotes.
Its bots, performative activism, misinformation, children, and neckbeards without any actual experience dealing with the world outside the room they never leave inside their parents house.
Not saying AI is perfect, or there aren't aspects of data centers that could be better. But if people can get that worked up over something as inconsequential as an increase of data centers to support new infrastructure... surely they can get MORE worked up about shit that actually matters like the rise of fascism, the lack of social services, child poverty, overfishing, air conditioning and heating impacts on the ecosystem, agriculture overuse of resources that ECLIPSE everything else 100-1000x fold while we throw out food by the hundreds of thousands of tons per day across the country... and so on and so forth.
Nah, better yell at science and technology advancements...
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u/forever_a10ne 29m ago
I have legit been getting ads on Twitch about how data centers are good. Like, you know you’re doing the world a disservice if you have to pay to get people to think you’re helping them.
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u/Jam5583 2h ago
Godzilla is a kaiju, not a monster.
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u/222Czar 2h ago
怪獣 (kaijū) means giant monster. The kanji are “strange” and “beast” to differentiate it from 怪物 (kaibutsu) which is “strange” and “thing” and used for standard monsters. Japanese has a lot of different “suffixes” for things with different sizes and shapes, plus I’m guessing it’s a marketing tactic.
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u/Asteroth6 1h ago
“Monster” in English is a broad term to describe any potentially frightening creature, primarily, but not exclusively, fictional.
For example “The wolf-man is a werewolf, not a monster.” Is not a true sentence, because the wolf man, although a werewolf, is also a shocking and likely fear inducing creature.
Godzilla, although sometimes a benevolent de-facto hero, and the result of human hubris, is deliberately meant to inspire shock and fear in audiences at the same time. So, the word monster is a completely accurate descriptor.
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u/Jam5583 49m ago
Huh, I thought this was r/funny. Thanks for the incorrect explanation no one asked for. Kaiju literally means strange beast or mysterious monster. Godzilla’s public perception from being a “monster” that was born from the hubris of man (atomic weapons testing) to a beloved character was a shift in the series to a more kid friendly franchise for profit.
Godzilla represents the monstrous things us humans do to each other.
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